Henchoz's got to be on drugs!!!

smiaras

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DEG viper

and what would happen if every player for United was on top form as well

kida

thats like something hoo-hoo would say - he must be listening to his manager.

ZENER

And to think Rio got 8 months for just missing a test ! :rolleyes:

This guy should get a 2 year ban minimum - OH SEPP Where are you ????



Tinky

uberwolf

kirkland or howard?

Finnan or Neville?

Hyypia or Brown?

Henchoz or Silvestre?

Carragher or O' Shea?

Hamann or Keane?

Gerrard or Scholes? (not a straight comparison)

Kewell or Giggs?

Le Tallac or Ronaldo?

Owen or Van KneesStillSore? (couldn't spell it)

Baros or Saha?

thing is though for Henchoz to say that is acknowledging that Houllier is incapable of getting the team playing as it should. So henchoz leads the houllier out brigade?

AthAnRi

This is what I think, All players are rated on top form in my opinion.

Tim Howard

From what I have seen this season I'v been hugely impressed. Haven't seen him make any mistakes and on top form I would give him 9 out of 10

Jerzy Dudek

great shot stopper. Unfairly crticised last season for a number of high profile mistakes. However he is dangerous under the high ball and ocassionally indecisive. Top form 8 outta 10.

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Gary Neville

Uniteds second most improved player after his brother. Neville Neville must have started feeding them or something. Has been the meaning of consistency for the last season and a half and on top form would give him 8 outta 10

Steve Finnan

A super right back and poses a huge threat going forward. Fitness seems to be his only weakness and on top form 8 outta 10

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Rio Ferdinand

Has shown this season why United have paid 30 million for him. His absence in Uniteds defence is already evident and will be a huge loss for the rest of the season. He is a good defender who is comfortable with the ball at his feet

Top form Rating 8 outta 10

Sami Hyppia

Personally I don't think he is as good as Henchoz on his day. As a out and out defender there is none better. However I think that he resorts to hoofing rather than building from the back.

Top form Rating 8 outta 10

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Mickel Silvestre

Quick, good going forward and the best last ditch tackler I have seen for a while. Sometimes looses his concentration but his pace normally makes up for any mistakes.

Top Form 8 outta 10

Stephen Henchoz

Great defender. Makes a lot of great tackles and him and the hoop are one of the best central defensive partnerships in the premiership. Its just a pity Houillier doesn't think so.

Top Form 9 outta 10

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John O'Shea

Great defender and super reader of the game. Good going forward and for a big man he has a fantastic touch. Hard to fault the guy.

Top Form 8 outta 10

John Arne Riise

Good going forward but sometimes likes going forward too much. Not a bad defender but I think he prefers the left wing position.

Top Form Rating 8 outta 10

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Ryan Giggs

On his day there are no better left wingers in the game. Fast, skillful carrier of the ball. His final ball lets him down but his dangeours runs make up for that.

Top Form Rating 9 outta 10

Harry Kewell

Terrific left winger also. Not as inclined to take on players as giggs but his crossing is superb. Great finisher if needed to play up front.

Top Form Rating 8 outta 10

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Phil Neville

A born again defensive midfielder. Like his brother his consistency is his major attribute. His abilities however are some what limited.

Top Form rating 7 outta 10

Dietmar Haman.

Good defensive midfielder who can also strike a powerful shot.

Top Form rating 8 outta 10

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Roy Keane

No need to sum him up

Top Form rating 10 outta 10

Stephen Gerard

Good midfielder. Has shown signs this season of previous good form. Has an unusual but effective kicking style.

Top form rating 9 outta 10
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Darren Fletcher

Shows promise at an early age. I'm not totally convinced about hiom yet but time will tell.

Top Form Rating 7 outta 10

El Hadji Diouf

Showed some promise at the 2002 world cup but even thenat top form he squandered a lot of chances, was caught in possesion too much and his temperment is questionable.

Top form rating 6 outta 10

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Paul Scholes

The ginger genius is one of the best attacing midfileders in the premiership. A threat from any breaking balls to the edge of the box and from his runs into the box. He is also a great supplier and creater and for a small chap he is a great headerer of the ball. Hard to fault.

Top form rating 9 outta 10

Emile Heskey

Returnig to some sort of form at the moment. Strong and powerful in the air. His confidence is his main problem but even at top form he is only just above average.

Top form rating 7 outta 10

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Ruud Van Nistlerooy

Great finisher. Always seems to be in the right place at the right time. Great first touch and a very intellegent player. Great player even when up front on his own.

Top form rating 9 outta 10

Michael Owen

Super player who always gets in the goals. He depend on his pace a lot however and his first touch and finishing are not always a1.

Top form rating 8 outta 10

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Others

Nicky Butt 7
Danny Murphy 7

Kleberson 8
Cherouy 7

C. Ronaldo 7
S Pong 7

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 8
M Baros 7

Diao 7
Djemba 7

Saha 8
le Tallec 7

Brown 7
Carragher 8

Carrol 7
Kirkland 7

so to conclude I disagree with Stephen. I think he must has been smoking the funny fags

super_furry

kirkland or howard? - Howard

Finnan or Neville? - Finnan

Hyypia or Brown? - Hyypia

Henchoz or Silvestre? - Henchoz

Carragher or O' Shea? - Carragher

Hamann or Keane? - Keane

Gerrard or Scholes? (not a straight comparison) - Gerrard

Kewell or Giggs? - Giggs

Le Tallac or Ronaldo? - Le Tallac

Owen or Van KneesStillSore? (couldn't spell it) - van Nistelrooy

Baros or Saha? - Tough one. Baros will be a better player, but Saha edges it on current form.

The Muppet

When I saw this item on Sky this morning , Nearly choked on my cornflakes.

Had to check The calander too.


Its a team Game and over the season every teams quality is reflected in their league position.

kirkland or howard? - Howard

Finnan or Neville? - Neville

Hyypia or Brown? - Hyypia but not by as much as Current form suggests. Brown is just back from a nasty injurybetter than his current form

Henchoz or Silvestre? - Silvester Best CB in the League

Carragher or O' Shea? - O Shea

Hamann or Keane? - Keane

Gerrard or Scholes? - Scholes by a mile , most underated player in the league

Kewell or Giggs? - Giggs

Le Tallac or Ronaldo? - Ole Gunner Solksjar If he's the same player after his injury

Owen or RVN - van Nistelrooy

Baros or Saha? - Saha

jesus_thats_gre

Originally posted by The Muppet
When I saw this item on Sky this morning , Nearly choked on my cornflakes.

Had to check The calander too.


Its a team Game and over the season every teams quality is reflected in their league position.

kirkland or howard? - Howard

Finnan or Neville? - Neville

Hyypia or Brown? - Hyypia but not by as much as Current form suggests. Brown is just back from a nasty injurybetter than his current form

Henchoz or Silvestre? - Silvester Best CB in the League

Carragher or O' Shea? - O Shea

Hamann or Keane? - Keane

Gerrard or Scholes? - Scholes by a mile , most underated player in the league

Kewell or Giggs? - Giggs

Le Tallac or Ronaldo? - Ole Gunner Solksjar If he's the same player after his injury

Owen or RVN - van Nistelrooy

Baros or Saha? - Saha

Very fair post there i thought... ahem ahem ahem.. not biased at all.. ahem ahem ahem... does anyone notice sarcasm, ahem ahem ahem



kirkland or howard? - Kirkland (Howard only has a half a season behind him, still plenty of time to go before he is rated as highly as Kirkland)

Finnan or Neville? - I prefer Finnan but Neville has been playing better

Hyypia or Brown/Ferdinand? - Hypia

Henchoz or Silvestre? - Henchoz

Carragher or O' Shea? - Carragher is a better defender, O'Shea is better all round

Gerard or Keane? Now Gerard, used to be Keane

Le Tallac or Scholes? Scholes, a legend of a player

Kewell or Giggs? - Kewell

Le Tallac or Ronaldo? Le Tallac

Owen or Van KneesStillSore? (couldn't spell it) - Ruud

Baros or Saha? - Baros

Heskey or Saha - Saha

Murphy or Ronaldo - Murphy, Ronaldo will grow into a superior player

Pongolle or Ole Gunner - Ole

Hamann or Phil Neville - Hamann




Its hard comparing directly as united don't often play two out and out strikers.

The Muppet

Originally posted by jesus_thats_gre
Very fair post there i thought... ahem ahem ahem.. not biased at all.. ahem ahem ahem... does anyone notice sarcasm, ahem ahem ahem



kirkland or howard? - Kirkland (Howard only has a half a season behind him, still plenty of time to go before he is rated as highly as Kirkland)

Finnan or Neville? - I prefer Finnan but Neville has been playing better

Hyypia or Brown/Ferdinand? - Hypia

Henchoz or Silvestre? - Henchoz

Carragher or O' Shea? - Carragher is a better defender, O'Shea is better all round

Gerard or Keane? Now Gerard, used to be Keane

Le Tallac or Scholes? Scholes, a legend of a player

Kewell or Giggs? - Kewell

Le Tallac or Ronaldo? Le Tallac

Owen or Van KneesStillSore? (couldn't spell it) - Ruud

Baros or Saha? - Baros

Heskey or Saha - Saha

Murphy or Ronaldo - Murphy, Ronaldo will grow into a superior player

Pongolle or Ole Gunner - Ole

Hamann or Phil Neville - Hamann




Its hard comparing directly as united don't often play two out and out strikers.

Sorry For the biased post , looking at your's I realise the error of my ways and appeciate that I was wrong. Of course Gerrard is better than Keane and Kewell is Better than Giggs.

Johnny_the_fox

Originally posted by The Muppet

Henchoz or Silvestre? - Silvester Best CB in the League

the old statement "playing too much CM" springs to mind..

Originally posted by The Muppet
Carragher or O' Shea? - O Shea

the only reason you are picking O'Shea is that he is irish.. Carragher has never put a foot wrong - a solid all-round defender... O'Shea is young who has made a number mistakes and IMO is not as great as people make him out to be.

kida

Carragher in his come back match vs Yeovil - twice under no pressure played the ball down the line with his left foot and straight out of play.

He can defend fairly well but ask him to play football and its a different story.

cournioni

The points difference in the league table shows the difference in class between the two sides. End of story.

smiaras

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jesus_thats_gre

I think its a good thread... It raises some interesting questions..

Are Liverpool, as a squad currently under achieving under GH, were the good spells pure look and is the squad of sufficient quality to go on a win some more...

To say the United squad is better in every position is foolish, the same can be sid about Henchoz's statement too... However, it is interesting to realise that it is pretty much a 50 50 split in each position when you compare both squads. There is negliable difference to be honest on paper.

The same cannot be said about Arsenal's first team, it is quite clearly a better team on paper than United's. However, United still do better than them. This is down to the team spirit that seems to drive the team beyond what, on paper, they are capable off.

Its not just about tactics, individual players or the manager. Team work/spirit and determination are a major factor and it is this that makes United the best performers.

The Muppet

I think its a good thread too. I think some people are reading too much into peoples posts and taking them personally. Its only a game. Its part and parcel of being a football supporter.

EH Johnny The Fox , Too little time watching football springs to mind. Sylvester is a class act IMO the best CB in The premiership.

jesus_thats_gre

Originally posted by The Muppet
I think its a good thread too.

Someone frame that for me

I think it is time to start grading the top 20 members of each squad and compare the results again!

uberwolf

sure if we refine it they won't even need to play the league, just give us five minutes every august just as pre season begins and we could figure it out. Save a lot of hassle.

paddyduff

All Henchoz has highlighted is that they are a severely underachieving team. They have not got as many top class players as United. Should be challengers but due to bad management are not currently doing so! Their whole mess brings a broad smile to my face.

PHB

I dont know how anyone can think that Finnan is as good as Neville, like cmon!

As for Owen vs. RVN RVN has it but if owen had better service but its an unfair comparision because Owen doesn't get the service RVN does.

eirebhoy

Originally posted by PHB
I dont know how anyone can think that Finnan is as good as Neville, like cmon!

C'mon what? Finnan is definitely up there with Neville and I don't know how you picked that camparison out of the lot. I thought Henchoz being ahead of Silvestre would have brought more debate.

cournioni

Finnan isn't as good as Neville. He's a good player but Neville is better. The amount of goals Neville sets up from United's right hand side is scary. Whether by crossing the ball or by interplay with another player on that wing.

He is a very good defender also. Very brave in tackles.

I don't think Finnan is that good yet.

The Muppet

Originally posted by eirebhoy
C'mon what? Finnan is definitely up there with Neville and I don't know how you picked that camparison out of the lot. I thought Henchoz being ahead of Silvestre would have brought more debate.

Both Silvester and Neville are under rated even by some Utd. fans. IMO they are both better than their opposite numbers in the Liverpool camp, Silvester becaues he is so improved on what he was a few seasons ago and Neville for being a reasonably solid defender while having the creativity that pornapster explained.

[DF]Lenny

Finnan has yet to prove himself on the international/Champions league stage so I would have to opt for Neville.As for Silvestre he easily outclasses the very limited Riise.(Hard to admit it as a Liverpool supporter)