"One more loss and its all over"

Ronaldo7

Its fairly obvious as it is with the Gunners not lost a single match, but Ferguson has said if we lose another match its over...

And personally, i think its very tough to catch Arsenal now. Very tough.

smiaras

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Dustaz

what the hell?

Theres a 5 point difference with the teams still to meet each other again. Its not a big gap.

I always think that its pointless to speculate on champions untill after easter, Ive seen too many leagues to think otherwise.

"one more loss and its all over" is total tabloid talk of the type that seems to be the norm on this forum these days.

Cop on.

Bannor

Originally posted by Ronaldo7
Its fairly obvious as it is with the Gunners not lost a single match, but Ferguson has said if we lose another match its over...

And personally, i think its very tough to catch Arsenal now. Very tough.

Mind Games ... how many times has he pulled such a comment out of his arsenal before? (excuse the pun)

"The league is out of our hands" ... "Arsenal have to lose it" etc. etc.

He's just trying to deflect the attention away from his own players and get the media to start pressuring Arsenal. It's all a build up to the Man Utd - Arsenal game in March.

Arsenal could be looking at setting a new league record - 30 games undefeated. If there's still a 5 point gap at that stage then a Man Utd victory would open the title race up again. Personally I think Arsenal will have drawn with Chelsea before then and Man Utd will win each of their games so the gap will only be 3 points.

smiaras

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Pepe LeFrits

There's been a lot of comparisons between this season and last due to the similarity of the points gap etc... i don't see this season going in the same manner as last season at all though. I don't mean that Arsenal will win the league by that (although they might), i think it'll just pan out a lot differently.

Chelsea's millions have forced United & Arsenal to up their games this season, all 3 of them have been streets ahead of the rest of the premiership and they've all been so close together all season... i don't see that changing in the run-up to May. Arsenal - Chelsea is a big game, particularily for Chelsea. If Arsenal win, Chelsea are effectively out of the title race, they'll be 9 points off and the way the top 3 have been playing this season they'll never be able to pull that back. If it's a draw, Chelsea will still have an outside chance of catching up, and if Chelsea win, then it's completely wide open again.

Despite ManU's recent defensive frailties i would be shocked if they weren't right up there forcing it to the wire at the end of the season, they always are. They won't find it as easy to turnover Arsenal in the table this time though, partly because they look a little weaker and because Arsenal are definately stronger this season.

Arsenal aren't attacking with the same verve as last season but defensively they are so much better. Kolo Toure and Jens Lehmann can be thanked for that, they are not only very good players ability wise but they add a lot of mental steel to the back line. In combination with that and the memory from last season, i can't see Arsenal folding like they did last season.

The Muppet

Good old fergie at his mind games again but i think there is also truth in what he says. United have not gone on their usual post christmas run this year and if they lose another game before Arsenal do I believe the pressure will ease on the gunners and they will not make the same mistakes they did last year and will go on to win the league. If Chelsea beat them in the League it is wide open again and
any of the top 3 can win.

_blank_

Originally posted by kaids

.......Jens Lehmann......... lot of mental steel

This is a joke right?

The guy is a nut job. I think he is a paranoid schizophrenic. He needs some kind of anger management.

smemon

Originally posted by smiaras
The argument that teams always raise their game against United cannot be used anymore as the same teams also raise their game against the Gunners.

true, but i still feel utd are viewed as THE biggest match of the season to teams like, wolves, leicester, portsmouth, leeds.... even the pool, fulham etc... utd coming to your ground, i feel, is viewed the same way as a derby.

maybe because im a utd fan i see it that way but i dont feel arsenal have the big name like Utd do.

i think people were a tad harsh with the boro match. no g.neville or keane, utd's 2 most experienced and influencial players. ferdinand aswell is a loss but he's banned so u have to make do with what you've got. a win tomorrow would really lift team morale and could trigger a title assault on arsenal.

Gangsta

Originally posted by smemon
true, but i still feel utd are viewed as THE biggest match of the season to teams like, wolves, leicester, portsmouth, leeds.... even the pool, fulham etc... utd coming to your ground, i feel, is viewed the same way as a derby.

maybe because im a utd fan i see it that way but i dont feel arsenal have the big name like Utd do.

i think people were a tad harsh with the boro match. no g.neville or keane, utd's 2 most experienced and influencial players. ferdinand aswell is a loss but he's banned so u have to make do with what you've got. a win tomorrow would really lift team morale and could trigger a title assault on arsenal.

I doubt teams actually think that, Arsenal r just as big as Utd in the PL. mayb coz ur a utd fan? it IS coz ur a Utd fan.

tad Harsh? plz, the boy scored 2HEADERS. 2players out and the whole team collapses? where's the strength and depth in the squad? They're one the of the richest teams in the world so there's no excuse.

5pt gap is only 2games can change in a week. It would be amazing to see Arsenal go unbeaten till the end of the season and they r the better team this season.

Helix

Originally posted by Bannor
Mind Games ... how many times has he pulled such a comment out of his arsenal before? (excuse the pun)

"The league is out of our hands" ... "Arsenal have to lose it" etc. etc.

but those comments are true

because arsenal are ahead of united, all they have to do is equal what united to. its not up to united to win it, its up to arsenal to lose it

Pepe LeFrits

Originally posted by seansouth
This is a joke right?

The guy is a nut job. I think he is a paranoid schizophrenic. He needs some kind of anger management.

He may be a bit nuts but he's no pansy, he orders the defence well and isn't going to bottle it under a bit of pressure.

sikes

think for many teams this year it is chelsea that is the game of the season, perhaps the novelty will wear off tho.

i think spurs will end arsenals unbeaten run!!!

Dustaz

Originally posted by Helix
because arsenal are ahead of united, all they have to do is equal what united to. its not up to united to win it, its up to arsenal to lose it

To get a 9 dart finish in darts, you only have to hit 7 treble twenties. To get 147 in snooker you only have to pot every red followed by a black.

I cant believe people actually look at it like this.


Its FEBUARY. You cannot say its for any one team to 'lose' just yet. Arsenals current unbeaten run is rare. Teams generally DONT go unbeaten for 15 match stretches. Football is a funny old game. Bear it in mind before you go making such simplistic statements.

Helix

im not making a simplistic statement, its arsenals league to lose

theres nothing that man united can do to win the league of their own accord

they need arsenal to drop at least 6 points for that to happen, therefore its totally up to arsenals form

BKtje

but at the start of the season its the same kind of thing. Its man u's or arsenals or chelseas league to loose. It is true tho but i think a little weird to think like that.

Ronaldo7

Originally posted by Dustaz
what the hell?

Theres a 5 point difference with the teams still to meet each other again. Its not a big gap.

I always think that its pointless to speculate on champions untill after easter, Ive seen too many leagues to think otherwise.

"one more loss and its all over" is total tabloid talk of the type that seems to be the norm on this forum these days.

Cop on.

Cop on to who? Why are u acting like such an ass? Its only a discussion.

Dustaz

Originally posted by Ronaldo7
Cop on to who? Why are u acting like such an ass? Its only a discussion.

To people like you actually.

I dont mind reading discussions which revolve around sensible propostions. This is just a manu fan reacting in the basest manner to a deliberate 'flame' by the utd manager.

im not making a simplistic statement, its arsenals league to lose

theres nothing that man united can do to win the league of their own accord

Who was leading the league on the first week of the season? Why didnt you make this topic then ? Surely it was theirs to lose from then?

This type of question only has meaning in the run-in. Sky sports can play it up all they want but it makes no sense to consider it at this stage of the season.

Helix

i didnt make this topic tho did i

smemon

Originally posted by Helix
theres nothing that man united can do to win the league of their own accord

they need arsenal to drop at least 6 points for that to happen, therefore its totally up to arsenals form

not true, utd still have to play arsenal, thats in their own hands, hence they only need arsenal to lose 1 game which they will probably do against chelsea next week anyway.

eirebhoy

Originally posted by smemon
not true, utd still have to play arsenal, thats in their own hands, hence they only need arsenal to lose 1 game which they will probably do against chelsea next week anyway.

if United win the rest of their games, Arsenal have to win every other game too. If Arsenal draw one they will be level on points with United.

Helix

Originally posted by smemon
not true, utd still have to play arsenal, thats in their own hands, hence they only need arsenal to lose 1 game which they will probably do against chelsea next week anyway.

key words there being "NEED ARSENAL"

The Muppet

Originally posted by Helix
key words there being "NEED ARSENAL"

Considering the amount of games the Gunners have already drawn this season its not inconceivable that they will draw at least one more game. Its all still to play for.

PHB

Its all mind games.

This crap about it being Arsenal's to lose,

If Man Utd. win every single game between now and the end of the season( excluding the arsenal one) they will most likely win the league.
There is stuff they can do.
This is just a whole plan by Fergie, who knows exactly what he is doing

Big Ears

some of u dont consider it a big lead because the teams still have to meet again. and then yee have said it would only be 2 points if united beat arsenal, but if Arsenal win its a totally different story. 8 pints up and not having to play each at this stage with the way arsenal are playing i couldnt see them not winning it .

But probably the united Arsenal game will be a draw.

cournioni

Originally posted by Dustaz
what the hell?

Theres a 5 point difference with the teams still to meet each other again. Its not a big gap.

I always think that its pointless to speculate on champions untill after easter, Ive seen too many leagues to think otherwise.

"one more loss and its all over" is total tabloid talk of the type that seems to be the norm on this forum these days.

Cop on.

I think Fergie's mind games have started already.

Bannor

Originally posted by smemon
true, but i still feel utd are viewed as THE biggest match of the season to teams like, wolves, leicester, portsmouth, leeds.... even the pool, fulham etc... utd coming to your ground, i feel, is viewed the same way as a derby.

In November, Ferguson said that the biggest games in the Man Utd calendar for the season are the two league games against Liverpool. He said that everyone at the club viewed it as their derby.

I don't think that teams raise their game when they play Utd like they used to have to some years ago. The standard of the teams throughout the league has improved since the early years of the Premiership and if a top team shows up and puts in a lack lustre display then whoever they are playing are capable of turning them over.

Dustaz

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
I think Fergie's mind games have started already.

WELL SPOTTED THAT MAN. Blue peter badge is on its way to the depths of cavan to reward your incredible perception.

cournioni

No shit. You didn't seem to have a clue in your post so I decided I'd help you out.

Bannor

Originally posted by Helix
but those comments are true

because arsenal are ahead of united, all they have to do is equal what united to. its not up to united to win it, its up to arsenal to lose it

Unlikely as it may sound but if Man Utd were to win all of their remaining games this season chances are they would retain the league title with 95 points. The defence is a shambles at the moment but they are more than capable of scoring enough goals to win games. If anything, poor discipline will be their undoing.

Arsenal have been dropping around two points every four games so far this season which is very impressive and it's highly unlikely that they will improve on this over the remainder of the season. With thirteen games remaining they are going to drop at least six points before the end of the season - add a loss to Man Utd to that and it's nine points dropped. That would give them 91 points for the season.

So provided they beat Arsenal, Man Utd can afford to lose one more game in the league and still retain the league title -> Ferguson is playing mind games. :eek:

The Muppet

Originally posted by Bannor
The defence is a shambles at the moment but they are more than capable of scoring enough goals to win games. If anything, poor discipline will be their undoing.

Good point on dicipline. With Nevill out for 4 matches after his weekend exploits, at least he will be back for the arsenal game. What concerns me most is the lack of movement on Scholes inevitable punishment for his recent fracas, I would be concerned if he were missing for the Arsenal Game as that would considerably diminish united chances of winning IMO. Why are the FA so slow in taking action on this I wonder?

Dicipline could also affect The Gunners run in but i have to admit I was surprised by their attitude yesterday which was very good whether that would be replicated in the league if they were losing remains to be seen.