(spoilers) BIG Disappointment IMO

Bungalow Bill

I don't know a whole lot about the kliq thing, but wasn't that only because they were the main stars at the time and vince couldn't do without them. Tell me if i'm wrong but that certainly would not apply in this instance. And anyway that was years ago. What were your sources? i did not see this.
"Like you I've disagreed with Nero but we didn't resort to handbags at ten paces, we were able to give differing opinions and get on with it"
Actually you were the one who called me a "muppet" on two occasions when I disagreed with you.
And as for taker's past injuries. What about angle, benoit, rhyno, HHH and countless others who are impaired in some shape or form. My point was that Taker CAN still handle himself in the ring and while he's no jeff hardy he's a ric flair anyway who seems to be very popular around here.
And yes i did make one mistake where I made a generalisation when i first started posting and apologies to Nero but in this instance I have done nothing wrong

smiaras

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Bungalow Bill

The FACT of the matter is that unless your sources were found on a certain WWE.com then you cannot know. Why exactly do you think that vince would give triple H so much power and freedom if everyone hated him? It doesn't make sense. He does not have the power of being one of the only big names anymore either. That is why it annoys me with all this "he won't put anybody over" talk.
Give me one move Taker used to do but now can't. Plus I already gave the analogy of Jake Roberts which seemed to be accepted. (Not just by me).
If austin had so much pull, then why did he walk out due to his creative direction?

I know I won't change your opinions but that doesn't mean I can't offer you an alternative. I just think that you would enjoy the goldberg vs lesnar match if you didn't have so many preoccupations. Like the one YOU mentioned for example. People I've talked to who don't read net-talk are really looking forward to these matches as they don't look for these things. They don't notice that Goldberg has a limited moveset, and they don't care.

Ph3n0m

The FACT of the matter is that unless your sources were found on a certain WWE.com then you cannot know.

Fact - Vince McMahon has publicly stated he hates the internet - and occasionally WWE releases information to that fact. WHy else would all their wrestlers be told no interview for any wrestling related internet sites, unless they are completely pre-approved by VInce himself? In fact most interviews given by wrestlers of WWE origin are a) on pre-approved radio show or b) after they have left the company (like Zach Gowen has recently done)

Why exactly do you think that vince would give triple H so much power and freedom if everyone hated him?
Because 1) he is married to the bosses daughter 2) before then while he was out with his injury he was asked for creative input 3) vince mcmahon has the final say on all creative elements - doesnt mean he is not heavily influenced by people like HHH

Give me one move Taker used to do but now can't.
Flying clothesline
High legdrop
Tombstone (but that is due to neck injuries, and it is rarely broken out)


If austin had so much pull, then why did he walk out due to his creative direction?
Austin walked because of creative differences between himself and Vince McMahon and the direction of the company

smiaras

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Bungalow Bill

I'm not going to continue this but Vince said that about the internet because stuff about WM was leaked. Austin walked out because he couldn't change a thing. FACT.
Taker can do the flying clothesline/lariat, don't make things up.
At least give yourself the chance of enjoying brock v berg and try not to be so critical before it has even happened. WWE will pull out ALL the stops for this mania. Say what you want, i'm not writing back to this thread, it's getting ridiculous.

Ph3n0m

I'm not going to continue this but Vince said that about the internet because stuff about WM was leaked.

nope, that was always Vinnie's issue with the Internet well before the WM leak - get your facts straight

Austin walked out because he couldn't change a thing. FACT.
Austin in previous times was able to change a whole lot of things, like smiaras said the suggested program with Jarrett

Taker can do the flying clothesline/lariat, don't make things up.
wow - nice of you to point out the one move of the THREE i listed - even better still you are talking about a move he has rarely pulled out of the book in recent times, because his damn knees are shot

At least give yourself the chance of enjoying brock v berg and try not to be so critical before it has even happened.

Who says we wont enjoy it - you are the one that completely contradicted public knowledge from respected websites that I have mentioned, you are the one that constantly shills that HHH doesnt have backstage power and that Goldberg and Lesnar will have a great match - the fact that we accepted what you said and put forth our opinion to which you tried to shoot down, says a whole lot for you as an individual keeping an open mind.

The Phenom

F**king hell yous are both as bad as each other. One of yous will start giving out about them shoving their opinions down your throat. But then directly after that they will proceed to try shove their opinions down our throats.

Jeez what the hell happened to yous i thought this was a board wer we all respected each others opinions.

But obviously yous f**ked up somewhere on that.

Ph3n0m

Originally posted by The Phenom
F**king hell yous are both as bad as each other. One of yous will start giving out about them shoving their opinions down your throat. But then directly after that they will proceed to try shove their opinions down our throats.

Jeez what the hell happened to yous i thought this was a board wer we all respected each others opinions.

But obviously yous f**ked up somewhere on that.

so who is this rant aimed at?

The Phenom

All of yas why dont yous pm each other or something instead of filling up the threads
with all that off the point crap

Ph3n0m

needless crap - so a heated debate about certain elements of wrestling is needless crap?

i can only speak for myself, anything I posted about was based on facts, plain and simple - I mean hell if that is needless crap what you would prefer to see here???

if we cannot debate wrestling here without it be classed as needless crap then what is the point in having a wrestling forum then???

I read the dirtsheets all the time, I have been following wrestling for over 20 years, so personally I think my opinion does count for something - however I will not stand idly by and watch posters give opinions based on ignorance - anything that has been stated here by myself is based solely on the facts that are publicly available.

To hide behind the mask of pms, is to declare fear in acknowledging the truth - it would be all too easy for me to send a load of pms out with blatent lies - instead I choose to make public what other people do not know - so therefore I resent your ignorance by calling it needless crap - when in fact it isnt, it is necessary information that is used to backup my opinion and to point out to people the truth when they post what they believe to be right (when in actual fact they have been proven wrong)

The Phenom

I never said it was needless crap i said it was off the point. The rest of us don't need to see yous fill up the threads because your fighting over whos opinion is right and whos is wrong.
I thought everybody was allowed have there own opinion so why dont yous just respect everybodies. Sure we all enjoy a little disbute now and then but they take it to far.

Ph3n0m

Originally posted by The Phenom
I never said it was needless crap i said it was off the point. The rest of us don't need to see yous fill up the threads because your fighting over whos opinion is right and whos is wrong.
I thought everybody was allowed have there own opinion so why dont yous just respect everybodies. Sure we all enjoy a little disbute now and then but they take it to far.

"needless or off the point" - thats merely symantics - you still classed it as crap

question: did you actually read every single post or just skim over them. you would have seen, atleast in respect to myself, I never forced my opinion on anyone - I merely stated facts (and I am getting sick of reapeating that over and over and over).

I never denied anyone their opinion, I corrected their mistakes using facts (oh dear there is that word again)

Bungalow Bill

What my problem is what passes for fact in your world, IMO the things you say are facts are not completely founded.

ALso taker can still do a tombstone, they just changed his finisher to go with his gimmick.
HE said that he wouldn't enjoy the goldberg match. He said something along the lines of , ' the only reason i'd watch it is to see if berg will give him the rub'. That, i believe is warped manner in how to approach watching wrestling.

And eh phenom2 we can argue if we want, we're arguing about wrestling. Isn't that the point.

Ph3n0m

Originally posted by Bungalow Bill
What my problem is what passes for fact in your world, IMO the things you say are facts are not completely founded.

if you want founded facts just let me know and I will cheerfully give you links to the facts that back up every single thing I have said in this thread