Keane's at it again

Dustaz

Originally posted by The Muppet
Link Please otherwise its hearsay.

Since when did this become a court of law? Stop being overly pedantic.

I don't know of one Man Utd fan that doesn't back Keane for what he did or didn't do in Saipan. If he played for Liverpool/Arsenal/Forest at the time most of the Irish fans of the clubs would back up Keane.

Thats utter rubbish. The keane issue might breed abu attidudes, but it is not solely bred FROM them. If he played for Forest at the time, he would more than likely have less support since the rabid rose-tinted crew wouldnt be so blind to the issues and stop to make up their own minds about it.

eirebhoy

Originally posted by irish1
Funny man, I know quite a few Villa fans who don't back Keane!

I meant most of the Villa fans would support Keane if he played for them at the time.

eirebhoy

Originally posted by Dustaz
Thats utter rubbish. The keane issue might breed abu attidudes, but it is not solely bred FROM them. If he played for Forest at the time, he would more than likely have less support since the rabid rose-tinted crew wouldnt be so blind to the issues and stop to make up their own minds about it.

Yes of course and that is my point. Whatever club Keane plays for he will be backed up by the fans of that club. If Keane did something really serious on Ireland there wouldn't be a lot of support for him by the Irish fans of the club he plays.

BTW-Dustaz, that should have read: If he played for Liverpool/Arsenal/Forest at the time most of the Irish fans of the club he played would back up Keane.

Villain

Originally posted by eirebhoy
I meant most of the Villa fans would support Keane if he played for them at the time.

Ah well, that we'l never know.

eirebhoy

Originally posted by irish1
Ah well, that we'l never know.

But why are United fans different then anyone else?

Villain

Originally posted by eirebhoy
But why are United fans different then anyone else?

That I can't answer either, and while I know the majority of UTD fans back Keane, I know a few who still feel he walked out on his country, they feel he was right to argue but that he should stayed and played the wrold cup and then retired or try and get things changed.

eirebhoy

Originally posted by irish1
That I can't answer either, and while I know the majority of UTD fans back Keane, I know a few who still feel he walked out on his country, they feel he was right to argue but that he should stayed and played the wrold cup and then retired or try and get things changed.

Yes, the majority of UTD fans back him and that is why i assume the majority of fans of Aston Villa (or any other club for that matter) would back him if he played for them. The majority of fans is good enough, you can't have it all.:)

The Muppet

Posted By dustaz
Since when did this become a court of law? Stop being overly pedantic.

I don't think its being pedantic to ask for a link when I have given one that directly contradicts his point that he is pursuing so vigorously.



As I said at the start of this thread it has little relevance to this story but Irish1 continued to push his point.

Villain

Originally posted by The Muppet
As I said at the start of this thread it has little relevance to this story but Irish1 continued to push his point.

It has great relevance, if he left rather than was pushed it shows that he is now talking about doing a complete turnaround.

How do you expect me to post a link to a Dunphy Show interview??. The link you used was 3rd hand, as I said get a copy and you will hear him say it FIRST HAND.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Read the book muppet, funnily enough most authors don't publish their books for free on the web as they don't make as much money on them.

BTW, I am one of those people who goes to Landsdowne road and if Roy played, I would boo him louder than any HibernoCeltic fans boo current/ex rangers players.

Now all I have to do is start an ok2booRoyKeane website and we are all set.

IgnatiusJRiley

I think we can all agree that the sooner Irish1 is sent to Saipan, the better!!

Villain

Originally posted by IgnatiusJRiley
I think we can all agree that the sooner Irish1 is sent to Saipan, the better!!

Lol:p

Well I'm off to Scotland on monday for a week,so you won't have to read any of my nonsense posts for 5 days.:p

eirebhoy

Originally posted by Thanx 4 The Fish
BTW, I am one of those people who goes to Landsdowne road and if Roy played, I would boo him louder than any HibernoCeltic fans boo current/ex rangers players.

If keane played for Liverpool would you still take the same view on the matter? Keane walked because of a massive row with McCarthy (which Keane said started McCarthy accusing him of faking injury), it would be virtually impossible for him to play for Ireland under McCarthy after that (As far as I remember McCarthy said he would leave if the players allowed him back) and i think if he played for Liverpool you would support him. McCarthy and Keane were both equally at fault (one of them had to go) but because McCarthy had the backing of the players, Keane had to go.

The Muppet

Originally posted by Thanx 4 The Fish
Read the book muppet, funnily enough most authors don't publish their books for free on the web as they don't make as much money on them.

I have the Book and watched the DVD and nowhere in either did he say that he walked out because he didn't.

Originally posted by Thanx 4 The Fish

BTW, I am one of those people who goes to Landsdowne road and if Roy played, I would boo him louder than any HibernoCeltic fans boo current/ex rangers players.

Now all I have to do is start an ok2booRoyKeane website and we are all set.

With an attitude like that you can hardly blame me for not accepting your hearsay now can you? At least your honest and up front about your anti Keane/United feelings.

Villain

Originally posted by The Muppet
I have the Book and watched the DVD and nowhere in either did he say that he walked out because he didn't.

I'd love to know what fantasy world your living in, I'm going to start a thread in the television Forum looking for a copy of the interview, I will pay for the Postage and packing of it if you will agree to watch it and take at face value what Keane says.

here it is: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=142715

The Muppet

LOL

I,d rather a good film instead.:D

Villain

Originally posted by The Muppet
LOL

I,d rather a good film instead.:D

Nah the ineterview would be better:p

The Muppet

Dont Forget the Buttered Popcorn.


or

Lets just agree to differ. You want to believe that he walked , I want to believe he was sent home, the truth is probably somwhere between the two.

Villain

Originally posted by The Muppet
Dont Forget the Buttered Popcorn.


or

Lets just agree to differ. You want to believe that he walked , I want to believe he was sent home, the truth is probably somwhere between the two.

Ah god no, I want you to sit down with a few cans hear Keane say he left and then get out the Kleenex:)

SheroN

and i thought i was bad to let things drop.....

Villain

Originally posted by SheroN
and i thought i was bad to let things drop.....

I always let things drop, once the person accepts what I have said, of course:D

Thanx 4 The Fish

Originally posted by The Muppet
I have the Book and watched the DVD and nowhere in either did he say that he walked out because he didn't.




With an attitude like that you can hardly blame me for not accepting your hearsay now can you? At least your honest and up front about your anti Keane/United feelings.

Now have a look through there and point out to me where I showed anti Man United attitude. There is none, you know why ? It's because it is not there, now I have more reason than anybody else here to like roy keane the person and admire roy keane the player, so to put it mildly you are very worng about my anti roy keane attitude. What I am anti is anti roy Keane playing for the country he walked out on at a crucial stage. That is not ABUism, it is not a hatred of Roy Keane, a man I admire, respect and have personal connections with, it is a statement of how I feel about the man who left his country in the lurch and then tried to shift the blame elsewhere.

BTW, if Keane played for Liverpool, I can unequivoally say that yes, I would feel exactly the same way, I appreciate Roy Keane personally more than any player on the Liverpool team and even so I think he was wrong to walk on Ireland. Having said that, if he had not walked then I would not appreciate him half as much.

The Muppet

Originally posted by irish1
Ah god no, I want you to sit down with a few cans hear Keane say he left and then get out the Kleenex:)

Well I did Offer.

I await My free Video and Popcorn and Kleenex.

Villain

Originally posted by The Muppet
Well I did Offer.

I await My free Video and Popcorn and Kleenex.

Ah now you can't expect me to pay for the popcorn and tissues.:dunno:

Dustaz

I can get the interview for you.

Should have it after the weekend. Ill encode it and stick it up on some webspace.

Villain

Originally posted by Dustaz
I can get the interview for you.

Should have it after the weekend. Ill encode it and stick it up on some webspace.

Your a star fair play.

Thanks

Thanx 4 The Fish

Originally posted by The Muppet
I have it on video if that's any help.

Typical really. :rolleyes:



/me wondering why the muppet deleted his last message :dunno:

eirebhoy

Originally posted by Thanx 4 The Fish
BTW, if Keane played for Liverpool, I can unequivoally say that yes, I would feel exactly the same way, I appreciate Roy Keane personally more than any player on the Liverpool team and even so I think he was wrong to walk on Ireland.

But he had no choice but to leave. As I said, he had a row with McCarthy and there was no way Keane could play for Ireland as long as McCarthy was still there, therefore one of them had to go. McCarthy had the backing of the players therefore Keane had absolutely no choice but to leave. How was he wrong to walk?

The only thing I have against Keane is that he didn't live up to his word when he said he would play for Ireland when McCarthy was gone. We don't know the actual reason's why he didn't come back when Kerr took over but maybe what he said was true, his knee couldn't hack it. He said yesterday his knee has settled a lot. Whatever reason why he didn't come back, it must have been a good one to stop someone like him from playing for his country. He absolutely loves playing for Ireland and you could see he was missing it in the interview.

cournioni

Originally posted by irish1
He could have read mine and agreed with me, Pornapster just beacuse he doesn't worship the man who by his own admission walked out on his country, doesn't mean you should be rolling your eyes at his opinion.

Quit making assumptions as I said irish1. No one knows the whole story about that because both McCarthy and Keane are contradicting one another. McCarthy said he sent him home, Roy said he left. They are both trying to out do each other, so the story isn't fully clear. So quit with the assumptions.

Thanx 4 The Fish

What assumption is he making ?
Would it be wrong to say that if somebody said something that you should take them at face value or are you yourself saying that Roy Keane is a liar ? If that is the case then why are we to believe that he really does want to come back ?

eirebhoy

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Quit making assumptions as I said irish1. No one knows the whole story about that because both McCarthy and Keane are contradicting one another. McCarthy said he sent him home, Roy said he left. They are both trying to out do each other, so the story isn't fully clear. So quit with the assumptions.

I thought we had this sorted already. Anyway, why does it matter if he left or was sent home? He had to go either way.

carl carlson

Roy Keane is possibly the best footballer this country has ever had but he is unsettling the team ,(who i watched at landsdown have a masterful performance) . New boys like reid , kavanagh and miller will fill the void , we don't need you Roy .stop playing us for fools

Villain

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Quit making assumptions as I said irish1.

What assumptions did I make??, I just said he could have read my posts, you make assumptions that if he read your posts he would think differently about Keane???

cournioni

Originally posted by Thanx 4 The Fish
What assumption is he making ?
Would it be wrong to say that if somebody said something that you should take them at face value or are you yourself saying that Roy Keane is a liar ? If that is the case then why are we to believe that he really does want to come back ?

He is making the assumption that Keane turned his back on Ireland even though he doesn't know the what happened in Saipan. No one does. That is why I am telling you to give him a chance and let his performance do the talking.

Everyone here seems to think they know everything that went on out there. Even though most of the people on here were in Ireland for the world cup.

Villain

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
He is making the assumption that Keane turned his back on Ireland even though he doesn't know the what happened in Saipan. No one does. That is why I am telling you to give him a chance and let his performance do the talking.

Everyone here seems to think they know everything that went on out there. Even though most of the people on here were in Ireland for the world cup.

I don't need to know, Keane told us what he says happened, every fan of his is just to stubborn to believe him!!

eirebhoy

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
He is making the assumption that Keane turned his back on Ireland even though he doesn't know the what happened in Saipan. No one does. That is why I am telling you to give him a chance and let his performance do the talking.

Everyone here seems to think they know everything that went on out there. Even though most of the people on here were in Ireland for the world cup.

I think we know that Keane and Mick had a huge row and that was the end of it for Keane.

eirebhoy

Originally posted by irish1
I don't need to know, Keane told us what he says happened, every fan of his is just to stubborn to believe him!!

I believe that Keane left but as I said so many times, why does that make any difference? Does everyone have me on ignore?

Villain

Originally posted by eirebhoy
I believe that Keane left but as I said so many times, why does that make any difference? Does everyone have me on ignore?

Beacasue if he left, it means he walked out on his country when it needed him the most, we could have been in a 3rd and 4th place play off if he had stayed.

eirebhoy

Originally posted by irish1
Beacasue if he left, it means he walked out on his country when it needed him the most, we could have been in a 3rd and 4th place play off if he had stayed.

Irish1, I will quote one of my posts explaning why he had no choice but to leave:

But he had no choice but to leave. As I said, he had a row with McCarthy and there was no way Keane could play for Ireland as long as McCarthy was still there, therefore one of them had to go. McCarthy had the backing of the players therefore Keane had absolutely no choice but to leave. How was he wrong to walk?

cournioni

Originally posted by irish1
I don't need to know, Keane told us what he says happened, every fan of his is just to stubborn to believe him!!

Yeah, but how do you know that McCarthy didn't say something along these lines "You are out of the squad. I'm sending you home" and Roy replied "you are not kicking me out, I quit".

Does that mean he's turned his back on his country?! No, I don't think so.

Villain

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Yeah, but how do you know that McCarthy didn't say something along these lines "You are out of the squad. I'm sending you home" and Roy replied "you are not kicking me out, I quit".

Does that mean he's turned his back on his country?! No, I didn't think so.

Now whos making assumptions????

cournioni

I'm not making assumptions... I'm just showing you that he doesn't have to be in the wrong. You're saying that he was in the wrong either way...

If he left the squad "he's letting his country down, he shouldn't play for Ireland again". :rolleyes:

If he was kicked out "he is lying, therefore he shouldn't be allowed to play for his country again" :rolleyes:

donhughberto

I am a Utd fan and Keane is past his best but he could still do a job in a poor irish midfield but i wouldn't want him, he is the reason i ain't going to Portugal, what a differance he might have made for us against switerland and russia!

Villain

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
I'm not making assumptions... I'm just showing you that he doesn't have to be in the wrong. You're saying that he was in the wrong either way...

If he left the squad "he's letting his country down, he shouldn't play for Ireland again". :rolleyes:

If he was kicked out "he is lying, therefore he shouldn't be allowed to play for his country again" :rolleyes:

Now your definitely making assumptions!!

If he was kicked out I would accept that it wasn't his fault that he didn't play in the world cup, but the fact is he left and when he could have come back he turned it down.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

hannable80

You all don't have a clue, the fact is the irish team will be better off with him ,
but they will not gel together as well! Sure take the fight earilier this year between Jason McAteer and Kane.

The Muppet

QUOTE]Originally posted by irish1
I don't need to know, Keane told us what he says happened, every fan of his is just to stubborn to believe him!! [/QUOTE]

I believe Keane in what he said at the time of the incident which was

"I don't regret what I said, but at the same time I agree that Mick had to send me home", .

because that view is supported by the FAI and Mc Carthy in News articles of the time like this.

"I cannot and will not tolerate being spoken to with that level of abuse being thrown at me so I sent him home." .

If RTE and BBC are not creditable en enought to convince you of the truth there is always the Independent enquiry commissioned by the FAI which Vindicated Keano

Thursday afternoon, 23 May 2002. A telephone call from Saipan is picked up in the sports department. “Roy's gone . . . sent home.”

Now if you want to ignore all that evidence in favour of an off the cuff remark on the Dunphy show to justify your dislike for Keane thats your prerogative but please stop trying to force it on me.

Villain

Originally posted by The Muppet
QUOTE]Originally posted by irish1

Now if you want to ignore all that evidence in favour of an off the cuff remark on the Dunphy show to justify your dislike for Keane thats your prerogative but please stop trying to force it on me.

Off the cut remark!!, I thought you didn't see it??

Rte and BBC were reporting on a story published by the Daily Mail, I believe what Keane said over what a reporter reported he said.:)

The Muppet

Originally posted by irish1
Off the cut remark!!, I thought you didn't see it??

Who said that? Link

Originally posted by irish1
Rte and BBC were reporting on a story published by the Daily Mail, I believe what Keane said over what a reporter reported he said.:) [/B]

As I said thats your perogative but the evidence does not support your view and if you were listening to newstalk this evening you will be aware that its a view not shared by many people.

Villain

Originally posted by The Muppet
Who said that? Link

I didn't say you didn't see I said I thought you didn't, apologies .

Originally posted by The Muppet

As I said thats your perogative but the evidence does not support your view and if you were listening to newstalk this evening you will be aware that its a view not shared by many people.

Well a few people here do share the view, and a lot of people I know locally do. My evidence is what I heard Keane say, and if you say the Interview you would have heard it too, but choosing to ignore that over a report by a Journalist, is your perogative.