Portmarnock golf club found in breach of Equal Status Act

Hobart

Originally posted by Zulu
Silly. :rolleyes:
Sorry I didn't give a smaller number - I figured you'd argue anyway so why bother.
Your ignoring my arguments, pin pointing irrevelant factors, and insulting me.
I'm the troll :rolleyes:

PS: alot of clubs are considered "closed", it's the term used when clubs like Portmarnock become practially impossiable for new members to join. (ie: moved into Portmarnock, can afford membership, wishing to become full member, but have to wait 20 odd years in a queue until previous members die.)

Ok. So let me try to work this out. You claim to know members of Portmarnock golf club, and yet you know nothing of the setup there. You claim to be a member of a golf club, and yet seem to have no idea how one operates. You quote irrevelant factors, and chastise me for pointing those out. You accuse me of insulting you? Where did I. You call me silly. You quote ridiculous claims as facts and you claim you cannot get membership of a golf club in which you can. You also claim that there is this notion of a "closed" golf club, which, in over 10 years of playing golf I have never heard off, you also claim that if one was offered a place in Portmarnock golf club that such offering would be prohibitavely expensive, without obviously having any idea whta the joining fee is (btw if you did know you would be surprised) and then you quote irrelevant numbers when trying to explain your notion of what a small golf club is. Have I gotten anyting wrong here? If I have please point it out to me and I will address your points and clarify.

And you then get annoyed when I call you a troll?? Tell you what stop trolling and I will stop calling you a troll. Ok?

Imposter

Originally posted by Victor
However, the Oireachtas has said that any organisation, discriminating on one of the specified grounds, should not benefit from a bar licence.

But the government can force through legislation to allow publicans discriminate on grounds of age!

I thought discrimination on grounds of age, sex, ethnic group and I think a few more things was forbidden by some EU law. Now if the government can decide that pubs can have an over 21's policy, for example, then surely a private club (also with a bar licence) can decide who it wants to admit. Or is it only the vintners federation that has any power in this country!

amp

Portmarnock is to receive €250,000 from Bórd Fáilte to help promote the Irish Open this July. That money came from male and female taxpayers. Whatever about it being a private club (Portmarnock, not the government) when it starts to receive public money, then it should, in my opinion, be subject to the same equality laws as public institutions.

I also have trouble understanding why such such clubs have these antiquated membership rules. What's the point of not letting women in?

Imposter

Originally posted by amp
Portmarnock is to receive €250,000 from Bórd Fáilte to help promote the Irish Open this July. That money came from male and female taxpayers. Whatever about it being a private club (Portmarnock, not the government) when it starts to receive public money, then it should, in my opinion, be subject to the same equality laws as public institutions.

That is surely Bord Failte's problem. They are willing to give them this money.

I also have trouble understanding why such such clubs have these antiquated membership rules. What's the point of not letting women in?

I agree but I have a bigger problem with new clubs that open up and are just as discriminatory and sometimes more so. Although the questions still remains at what point should the government or a state organisation be allowed to force rules upon what is a private club?

The bar licence is the only reason i can see that maybe they could be able to do this but as I mentioned above holders of drinks licences can be discriminatory in who they admit.

GreeBo

Originally posted by amp
Portmarnock is to receive €250,000 from Bórd Fáilte to help promote the Irish Open this July. That money came from male and female taxpayers.

Yes, and both sexes will have equal rights to attend the Irish Open.
I dont see your point.

Originally posted by amp

I also have trouble understanding why such such clubs have these antiquated membership rules. What's the point of not letting women in?

Because they want to.
Is it not their choice since its their club?

ixoy

Originally posted by Imposter
The bar licence is the only reason i can see that maybe they could be able to do this but as I mentioned above holders of drinks licences can be discriminatory in who they admit.

Umm, I'm pretty sure bars cannot be discriminatory on grounds of gender, sexual orientation, race, etc. They need to say something else - it's full, you look too young, etc. - instead otherwise you can, presumably, take them under the Equality Act. Portmarnock is blatantly saying - "It's 'coz you're a woman", which is why it's been fined. I still think though the law appears to be unbalanced in favour of groups that were - in the past (and I stress the past bit) - disenfranchised. Either make equality full or allow for a greater liberty in the affairs of private organisations without penalising one whilst ignoring the other.

Hobart

Originally posted by amp
Portmarnock is to receive €250,000 from Bórd Fáilte to help promote the Irish Open this July. That money came from male and female taxpayers. Whatever about it being a private club (Portmarnock, not the government) when it starts to receive public money, then it should, in my opinion, be subject to the same equality laws as public institutions.

I also have trouble understanding why such such clubs have these antiquated membership rules. What's the point of not letting women in?

Eh!! Pormarnock hosted the Irish Open in 2003. The Irish Open is to be hosted in County Louth (Baltray I Think) this year. Portmarnock also matched the Board Failte money Euro for Euro (it's a pre-req!!).

Imposter

Originally posted by ixoy
Umm, I'm pretty sure bars cannot be discriminatory on grounds of gender, sexual orientation, race, etc.

But they can on age which also comes under the EU discrimination law, and I don't mean under 18's (although that could also raise interesting questions), I mean a bar can decide that it's over 25's for example.