art portfolio courses

smelly girl

ive already tried this on da college board but didnt get much replys. i want to do art teaching in ncad or visual communications in dit but i need to do a portpolio course. i want to do one in dublin and so far ive applyed to ballyfermott and im applying to colaiste dhulaigh. does anyone have any advise on year long courses?

Silent Grape

brilliant portfolio prep course in Bray Senior College. very much reccommended by many art college lecturers etc. and me.

Karoma

push for ballyfermot. they've great courses.
check http://www.nightcourses.com/ or similar out for ideas of where to apply..

(nice nick btw)

karma kabbage

I wouldn't recommend Coláiste Dhúlaigh. I did a few months there (dropped out) and didn't really found benefit from it. You get attention due to the large amount of student, it's crowded and unplanned.

However I found the course done in Inchicore to be very good and enjoyable. Best o' luck

DadaKopf

Whatever pornfolio course you take, may I just recommend the DIT VisCom course. The standard outta there beats NCAD and Dun Laoghaire.

I might do one of those in years to come. For some reason, even though I don't wanna career as a graphic designer, I've always wanted to study it hands on and merge it with the stuff I did for my degree and masters.

Good luck!

havok*

Ballyfermots pretty good. I did a portfolio prep there last year and got my first choice (Art & Design GMIT). Practically everyone that finished the course got the course they wanted.

As for Vis comm, Athlone is the best i've seen.

spectacleinrock

Colaiste Dhulaigh is not a great course especially if its graphics you are into. I went to it and i hated it! Ive heard Ballyfermot, Sallynoggin and Bray are very good.

Beware of art courses in DIT. DIT are planning to cut a load of courses for when they move into the proposed new campus and courses which are expensive to use and use too much space per student (ie the art courses) will be first to go. Its not definate but if u intend to go there then check it out because it would be pointless to do a course thst might be gone in a few years - wont really benefit u..... good luck though and i hope u get what u want.

DadaKopf

Originally posted by havok*
Ballyfermots pretty good. I did a portfolio prep there last year and got my first choice (Art & Design GMIT). Practically everyone that finished the course got the course they wanted.

As for Vis comm, Athlone is the best i've seen.

Any of their stuff on the web?

DadaKopf

Originally posted by spectacleinrock
Colaiste Dhulaigh is not a great course especially if its graphics you are into. I went to it and i hated it! Ive heard Ballyfermot, Sallynoggin and Bray are very good.

Beware of art courses in DIT. DIT are planning to cut a load of courses for when they move into the proposed new campus and courses which are expensive to use and use too much space per student (ie the art courses) will be first to go. Its not definate but if u intend to go there then check it out because it would be pointless to do a course thst might be gone in a few years - wont really benefit u..... good luck though and i hope u get what u want.

That's interesting but I doubt it'll happen. There's way more pointless courses in DIT than VisComm, although I know graphic designers are way underappreciated as the semiotic navigators that they're trained to be .

Monkey

The fine Art Building in DIT is being knocked down starting in May and they don't know where they are moving the course to.

projectmayhem

a friend of mine is enjoying his art portfolio course in colaiste ide

DadaKopf

Originally posted by Monkey
The fine Art Building in DIT is being knocked down starting in May and they don't know where they are moving the course to.

Does that house VisComm?

spectacleinrock

Unfortunately i heard it from somebody pretty high up in DIT but its not definate and they've began the cull with courses such as hotel management so maybe they'll leave vis com alone. But space wise art courses dont make sense to the powers that be in colleges.

Teddi

Hey...im actually doing the coarse at the moment....In Bray...and i can tell you it is by far the best portfolio coarse your going to get in Dublin/Wicklow...maybe Ireland..........It is Extremely Demanding and a lot of hard work but what i have achieved in the last 4 months is amazing.....i would never have been able to get the work i have now...if i hadnt have gone there........the teacher there is excellant.....she has totally changed me for the better!........the class is small enough.....we have a bout 16 this year......its great!......if you want any more info off me..just ask.......be glad to help

Silent Grape

my friends brother did the bray course two years ago. he said the teacher was deadly. one of my own art lecturers (in DLIADT) is friends with her and has said on numerous occasions what a good course it is. sounds like something to check out alright.

g'luck

Teddi

hey...i got my results from N.C.A.D today.....I GOT IN!!!!......wooohooo!.....it was horrible today because loads of people were finding out if they got in.....there familys were ringing them in class today.......and 2 of teh most strongest people in out class didnt get in...i wasnt able to find out until i got home so finding out that that two of the strongest people in our class didnt get in?......didnt give me much confidence but i was so relieved when i got home......i got 620 points excluding my leaving cert results......if anyone else got in??......Post it

havok*

Originally posted by Teddi
and 2 of teh most strongest people in out class didnt get in...i wasnt able to find out until i got home so finding out that that two of the strongest people in our class didnt get in

NCAD & DIT get to many submissions to view all of them. Very good chance their p/f was never looked at.

Be warned NCAD Core year has the highest drop out rate of any art/design orientated course in the country. You'll have your work cut out for ya. Have 3 feiends with degrees from there. Going from what they tell me about it, they try to break you down in core year, you wont receive any encouragement what so ever regardless of the standard of your work. If you can get by core they drop the act come year 2 (whatever you decide to specialise in). Was going to go there myself this year, but did'nd like there teaching ethics.

smelly girl

Originally posted by havok*
NCAD & DIT get to many submissions to view all of them. Very good chance their p/f was never looked at.

Be warned NCAD Core year has the highest drop out rate of any art/design orientated course in the country. You'll have your work cut out for ya. Have 3 feiends with degrees from there. Going from what they tell me about it, they try to break you down in core year, you wont receive any encouragement what so ever regardless of the standard of your work. If you can get by core they drop the act come year 2 (whatever you decide to specialise in). Was going to go there myself this year, but did'nd like there teaching ethics.

kinda sucked the joy outta that didnt ya?
by the way teddi, well done.

Silent Grape

where'd u go instead of NCAD?

havok*

Went to Galway. Much much more relaxed athmosphere down here.

peeps

Does that house VisComm?

no vis comm is in the mountjoy building which is staying put for the mean time,theyv just done the place up a bit so they wouldent invest money if they were going to move. fine art is in an annex of mountjoy square called portland row, they were just renting half the building( the other half is filled with drug addicts and crazy people's diggs) the landlord is knocking it down and building apartments.

smelly girl: i did the stillorgan senior college art course and at the time it was v good. got me into college anyway.
iv heard that the ncad art teaching course is very hard to get into as its the only course of its kind in ireland, some of the people i know got a degree in fine art before they applied for the ncad course.
the dit vis comm is very good too, the facilities mightent be the best ( they only had about 9 g4's for all the years) but the standards are very high.

pork99

Originally posted by peeps
no vis comm is in the mountjoy building which is staying put for the mean time,theyv just done the place up a bit so they wouldent invest money if they were going to move. fine art is in an annex of mountjoy square called portland row, they were just renting half the building( the other half is filled with drug addicts and crazy people's diggs) the landlord is knocking it down and building apartments.

What about this big new f-off DIT campus in Grangegorman? Surely there will be room there for any number of half-assed courses?

I was in the DIT Fine Art diploma (it's a degree now) back when I were a mere lad and harvesting were done by hand (c1988-91).

It was always a real string and chewing gum effort, very poor facilities etc. It just would not surprise me if they found themselves on the street - heading that way for years (went on to do graphic design in Athlone IT and Limerick IT)

bliss02

Silent Grape wrote: »

my friends brother did the bray course two years ago. he said the teacher was deadly. one of my own art lecturers (in DLIADT) is friends with her and has said on numerous occasions what a good course it is. sounds like something to check out alright.

g'luck

the whole class 16 as well as last year got accepted again this year to ncad from bray. Its a really tough course but the results from there are the best. Annette is the teacher and she is amazing.

eternal

havok* wrote: »

NCAD & DIT get to many submissions to view all of them. Very good chance their p/f was never looked at.

Be warned NCAD Core year has the highest drop out rate of any art/design orientated course in the country. You'll have your work cut out for ya. Have 3 feiends with degrees from there. Going from what they tell me about it, they try to break you down in core year, you wont receive any encouragement what so ever regardless of the standard of your work. If you can get by core they drop the act come year 2 (whatever you decide to specialise in). Was going to go there myself this year, but did'nd like there teaching ethics.

I dont see why people bother doing a portfolio year ,if you need that that you aint good enough to be in college seriously .
And I agree Art college ,they rip you apart with the tough love approach .Dont see how that ever worked when youre dealing with artists the most sensitive people ever in the world.
Did they forgot how they got to college in the first place ? This thread is sooo old the OP is prolly exhibiting in Brussels or sumtin

spinandscribble

eternal wrote: »

I dont see why people bother doing a portfolio year ,if you need that that you aint good enough to be in college seriously .

Probably because spending a year doing art work day in day out for 8-12 hours a day will give people an idea if she actually have enough passion to commit to a degree/career.... if the system in ireland was more like the uk, ie foundation years/portfolio prep as mandatory, the drop out rate in irish art colleges wouldn't be as huge...

plenty of good "drawers" and painters out there that can get into art degrees but are not actually artists as well mind.

thebaz

spinandscribble wrote: »

. if the system in ireland was more like the uk, ie foundation years/portfolio prep as mandatory, the drop out rate in irish art colleges wouldn't be as huge...

plenty of good "drawers" and painters out there that can get into art degrees but are not actually artists as well mind.

there is a bit of street cred , for dropping out of art college - the over the top crits , are there to be challenged , not to break people down , as i have seen too often ...

spinandscribble

thebaz wrote: »

there is a bit of street cred , for dropping out of art college - the over the top crits , are there to be challenged , not to break people down , as i have seen too often ...

street cred eh? If someone drops out because its not the course for them fair enough but if someone was to drop out because they can't handle crits.... I dunno I've seen a lot of people drop out even at portfolio prep and foundation level, thats generally when those who absolutely can't handle any critic drop like flies.

I had a tutor give me a really bad ott negative crit, only for them to explicitly tell me later it was on purpose to see if i can hold my own ground. After that i could never really 100 % trust what they're saying but just reinforces the fact you need to take whatever anyone says with a pinch of salt. A guest artist recently came in for special tutorials with individuals and literally ripped each of them to shreds. It was brutal.

eternal

After three years of listening to all the tutors had to say ,one them said to me not to,listen to anyone and do my own thing.Bit late there matey

thebaz

spinandscribble wrote: »

street cred eh? If someone drops out because its not the course for them fair enough but if someone was to drop out because they can't handle crits.... .

obviously not all tutors, but there are those that seam to enjoy inflicting emotional damage - thats not what art is about , - i have great respect for those that challenge such tutors, in very rare instances , have such tutors got the mastery of the craft , they so think they have ....