"004 Oscars

therecklessone

Originally posted by Lodgepole
City of God certainly deserved the award for Film Editing, an award which Lord of the Rings certainly did not...

In fairness, how many of the technical oscars actually go to the most deserving case? Isn't it more likely that the members of the academy just pick the most popular/the one film they had seen for the "lesser" awards?

On a side note, I thought it was a pity that American Splendour didn't win anything. It was a great film, superbly constructed. Surely it deserved something from the tech awards.

Caked Karen

delighted for sean penn.he gave a great performance and truely desreves an oscar. i mean he should have won one for dead man walking but didnt so.....

tim robbins is a great actor also and am happy for him. am suprised he acted like he did on stage.seemed so nervous.suppose it is oscar night!

pity for johnny depp altho johnathon ross was saying something about it being a comedy performance which it was so why shouldnt other comics be up for oscars eg ben stiller, jack black but i just think he was blowin SH*T!

billy crystal was great as always but it was pretty boring this year

Mossy Monk

Originally posted by therecklessone
Thought Johnathon Woss and his crew were excellent. Rob Whatshisname from Marion And Jeff has superb comic timing.

you must be joking. they were terrible. only Johnathan Ross had me laughing

lodgepole

Originally posted by Mossy Monk
you must be joking. they were terrible. only Johnathan Ross had me laughing

They really were brutal. There was also an almost complete lack of any serious discussion of the awards, or of the films involved. I appreciate the need for humour to make the four hours a little more light hearted, but I didn't stay up to watch that kind of bad comedy. I stayed up to watch a film awards.

Chad ghostal

yeah the fact that they kept on talking over each other got pretty annoying by the end of the night..

but if the award for best actor was going for body of work then bill murray would have stomped depp down..

its very cruel the way that they ram the camera in your face when you loose.. i cant see how it must be fun for the people in the first few rows, never being able to relax..


p.s. loved peter jacksons dapper tux

sceptre

Originally posted by Chad ghostal
p.s. loved peter jacksons dapper tux

I preferred the one Robin Williams had. Looked like he made it himself.

I agree that it's not fun having the camera shoved in your face when you lose but that's the risk you take when you turn up hoping to win. I think Woody Allen has always had the right idea (and he's always had a good excuse for not being there). Bill Murray knew this was his one chance to take one home. The BBC panel were fairly emphatic that awards aren't handed out for comedy performances. It's sort of true but it's only in recent times that awards have been handed out for hard-hitting performances. James Cagney never got one until he put on a hat and did a dance, Palance never got one until they thought he was going to die soon (and he pretty much did a dance), Clint got a pile when he swore he was never going to do another movie. The Academy voters have always been rather friendly to improved performances in a different light, whether that's a hard man playing the fool or a fool suddenly being able to act when he finds himself in a hard man role. Depp will almost certainly get at least a supporting oscar some day. Murray almost certainly won't, though you never know.


Ixoy, do you ever actually sleep?:)

sceptre

Originally posted by therecklessone
In fairness, how many of the technical oscars actually go to the most deserving case? Isn't it more likely that the members of the academy just pick the most popular/the one film they had seen for the "lesser" awards?

You're right - it's pretty rare for a movie that hasn't won some of the big awards to win for the technical categories. From that we can infer at least to some degree that the mass of Academy voters tend to vote for movies they liked in general for these awards (you could go the other way and say they win the big awards partly as a result of their technical ability but I suspect it goes the other way around). The obvious exception is Terminator 2 - it won four, all technical, all deserved.

therecklessone

On a related note, did the Matrix win any technical oscars? I can't remember...

lodgepole

Originally posted by therecklessone
On a related note, did the Matrix win any technical oscars? I can't remember...

It won four... all technical. Film editing, sound effects editing, visual effects and sound.

therecklessone

Ta, just about to post back and say the same thing.

Great site this:

http://www.oscars.org/awardsdatabase/

ixoy

Originally posted by sceptre
Ixoy, do you ever actually sleep?:)

Sometimes! It's a bit of a waste of time though, when there's some good surfing/drinking/reading, etc. to be done

Cork

Delighted for LOTR - Return of the King - but the other 2 LOTR films were ignored.

Delighted a Clint Eastwood film did well - the guys a genius.

Chad ghostal

Originally posted by sceptre
Murray almost certainly won't, though you never know.

your probably right, i dont see him getting another role like lost in translation anytime soon, the way his films vary wildly in quality..

they could be grooming him for a lifetime achievement deelie, he deserves it. optimistic.

Giblet

Originally posted by Cork
Delighted for LOTR - Return of the King - but the other 2 LOTR films were ignored.

Delighted a Clint Eastwood film did well - the guys a genius.

Well the awards for ROTK were taking the trilogy as a whole.

shotamoose

Originally posted by Chad ghostal

they could be grooming him for a lifetime achievement deelie, he deserves it. optimistic.

God, wouldn't you hate that?

"So, when do I get this lifetime achievement award?"

"Eh, shortly before we think you're going to die. So if you want it soon better get sick".

sceptre

Originally posted by Chad ghostal
your probably right, i dont see him getting another role like lost in translation anytime soon, the way his films vary wildly in quality..

"Vary wildly in quality" is a polite way of putting it. I took a look at his list on imdb and let's just say that Ghostbusters II isn't the worst one on the list. I still reckon that if he managed to get a supporting role as a tough or really narky guy in a reasonable movie in about four or five years and managed to pull it off he'd practically have people begging to give him an Oscar. Particularly as he so obviously wanted one last night but still looked like he was doing his best to be goodnatured about it without diminishing the importance of the prize. Those voters sure do like that. Bill isn't the greatest actor or anywhere near it but I've always enjoyed his performances, think he's always pushed himself as far as he can and I'd like to see him get some recognition for that some day. Another un-Bill Murray role (LIT was one of those) just might do the trick.

I'd at least like to see him get one before they give one to Billy Crystal as a bonus (he's been racking up all those Emmies and American Comedy Awards for presenting the Oscars all these years)

Anyway, on to other things for me:

Anyone think Black Edwards' "acceptance" of his statuette was hilarious?
The opening Crystal pisstake of last year's movies? (thought this was good but not hilarious)
Jack Black and Will Ferrell poking fun at carefully reading the teleprompter?
Does Liv Tyler need glasses or was she trying to be mysterious?
Why did Catherine Zeta Jones bring her dad, where's her acccent gone and has she acquired a lisp or a dodgy mike?

sceptre

These two stories might be of interest:

What goes on backstage (no, not organised nipple-freezing)

The annual flamingo-up of the Best Foreign-Language Oscar (two parts)
Flamingo-up part 2

jank

thought they were quite boring to be honest
the piece about bob hope was the best bit imo

thats what i like about them just shows you how magical movies and their stars are!? !sniff sniff

Karl Hungus

I can't beleive I actually watched the Oscars tonite...

But anyway, as you all know, I'm quite the fan of LOTR, and while I am happy the Return Of The King won quite so many, I did feel that the way the series is being treated by the Academy is a disgrace.

First of all, it seems that the 11 oscars that ROTK won, weren't completely for it's own merit, but rather for the trilogy as a whole. An example I could give is Annie Lennox's song winning, while Emilliana Torrini's didn't the previous year... Yet Into The West is honestly a crap song that simply didn't even deserve a nomination.

I also think it was disgracefull that over the three films, not a single actor, or actress award. I beleive only Ian McKellen got a nomination. The way the wealth of utterly fantastic actors like Sean Bean, Bernard Hill, Ian Holm, Brad Dourif, Viggo Mortensen, Sean Astin and many others, all seem to have just been 'swept under the carpet' so to speak in light of a slew of technical awards.

Perhaps I'm just far too fickle in these matters, but I just dislike the thoughts of Lord Of The Rings been awarded simply as a SFX movie. I remember a great discussion we had in my film course about LOTR, and thinking of how much wasn't done with CGI, but rather more traditional methods.

Anyway...
I certainly think that Peter Jackson did deserve that Best Director oscar, at the very least.

ll=llannah

Does Liv Tyler need glasses or was she trying to be mysterious?

SO irritating. if you want to wear glasses, keep them on, don't keep us waiting while you try to look sexy taking them on and off and on and off and on and off.

i would have liked a tie between Murray and Penn - the movies were so unbelievably different it was so wrong to have to choose between them. I thought they were both amazing. And I love Bill Murray- he's fantastic.

i liked crystal's movie bit in the beginning - gave me a laugh. but his talk about the actors and what they were thinking wasn't that funny. then again, imagine trying to do that job. what a nightmare.

and go lord of the rings, obviously. but that goes without saying.

Mr E

Loved Adrian Brody reading the nominees for best actress. The mouth spray was a nice touch

- Dave.

projectmayhem

i watched some of it last night and found it far more entertaining then i expected. robin williams was funny, as was jim carey (as always... and still with the bald head from his conan o brien canada stunt) and the opening was pretty cool too... jack nicolson as gandalf.. lol

alleepally

The funniest bit for me was Billy Crystal doing the song to Clint Eastwood. Priceless to the tune of old man river.

"Most men your age
Are either dead or dying.
But Old Man Eastwood
You just keep rolling along"

Taken as a whole, the ceremony was a so so but I'm glad I watched it live for the first time as the highlight packages were awful. The beeb did a good job and Johnathan Ross and team were entertaining.

Chad ghostal

Originally posted by TmB
Loved Adrian Brody reading the nominees for best actress. The mouth spray was a nice touch

- Dave.

yeah that was class, he seemed like the only person to be genuinely enjoying himself.

Does Liv Tyler need glasses or was she trying to be mysterious?

maybe they were communal glasses.. ..

Fence

Originally posted by AngelWhore

I also think it was disgracefull that over the three films, not a single actor, or actress award. I beleive only Ian McKellen got a nomination. The way the wealth of utterly fantastic actors like Sean Bean, Bernard Hill, Ian Holm, Brad Dourif, Viggo Mortensen, Sean Astin and many others, all seem to have just been 'swept under the carpet' so to speak in light of a slew of technical awards.

Well see that's the problem with these ensemble films. I mean which actor do you vote for. All though to be fair really think that Sean Astin should have gotten some recognition for his great job with Sam. Despite the fact that I really dislike his commentary

DMT

I hope Bill Murray is given more roles like the one in LiT and not shite like that film he did with the elephant.
The Life Aquatic may not be Oscar material, with it being a comedy, but The Squid and the Whale is listed as a drama so there's possible Oscar potential for him there...