Fulham vs Man Utd "SCORES!"

Ronan|Raven

Watching both the arsenal game and this currently 1-0 to UTD great finish by Saha, tore through the centre to smack home a belter from inside the 18yrds box.

phenom

where you watchin the utd match is it on the web

Ronan|Raven

On TV Sports Romania, Arsenal game is on Top Channel (albania)

zAbbo

Scorchio!

Also the arse are 2 zip up ( 2mins + 4mins respectively)

Ronan|Raven

Fulham 1 - Man utd 1

Boa Morte burst past Brown and fired a low shot under carrolls body.

Pepe LeFrits

Any idea why Howard, Giggs and RVN didn't start?

Ronan|Raven

No idea but RVN got booked while warming up for apparently saying something to the Fulham Bench from what I could see, needless to say Skeletor wasnt pleased.

Ronan|Raven

Charlton hit the post in the last few seconds.

Full Time in both games now: Arsenal 2 - Charlton 1
Fulham 1 - Man Utd 1

PHB

That's Chelsea above Utd now.
It'd be great if they beat United, it would scare the **** out of them and they'd go out and buy a world class defense

GuanYin

And the premiership goes to......

Fergie has lost the plot, leaving out his best players when they needed a win, what was that about?

Arse, despite playing poorly in the 2nd half, win.

Harry2001

Originally posted by syke
Fergie has lost the plot, leaving out his best players when they needed a win, what was that about?
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Strange alright , Arrogance or Stupidity by Red Nose?

PHB

Eh, you really think if Man Utd had won they still could have won the premiership?

You must be more deluded than most United fans
The prem is gone, everyone knows it, Arsenal would have to really really **** it up, and they won't.

So why is he resting players?

What other compo's are there that Man Utd can win?

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Also after the champs league preformance none of those players deserved to start

jank

i said it once and ill say it again too many average players at utd

i have been saying since the start of the season but everyone thought i was mad
what do ye think now

maybe fergie knows that the league is gone so he is resting players for the fa cup and europe, kinda makes sense
also think that this will be keano's last season

expect it to be announced during the summer

i thought saha wasnt allowed to play against fulham today! it was part of the transfer deal!

anyway doesnt matter now

it will be a nice scap for second place with the blues lol

zAbbo

a nice scrap for 3rd methinks

Pepe LeFrits

Originally posted by jank
i said it once and ill say it again too many average players at utd

DISGHISUFDHGIUFHG NO YOU'VE SAID IT ABOUT 15 TIMES

PHB

Why in the world do you think its Keane's last season?

His international retirment is obviously showing that he wants to continue for as many years as possible!!

He's just 30 now, Vieira is just 29 yet you don't hear any talk of them retiring!!

Why?
Cause they won't retire till around 34/35!
Sure Zidane is still playing and hes 33(or 32 not sure)

i thought saha wasnt allowed to play against fulham today! it was part of the transfer deal!

You can't do that, nobody would agree to it.

i said it once and ill say it again too many average players at utd

You've said this a billion times, we've heard you.
Also who are the average players in Man United's first team?

Pepe LeFrits

Spot on PHB, apart from Vieira, he's 27.

Tellox

Originally posted by PHB
Why in the world do you think its Keane's last season?

His international retirment is obviously showing that he wants to continue for as many years as possible!!

He's just 30 now

He's 33 this year, love.
Well, Thats the premiership done and dusted. Unless Arsenal really do make an utter balls of it.

jank

yea spot on but keane is 32, 33 in october so there is almost 6 years between the two of them.

keane is his own hardest critic and if he cant produce the goods anymore he will/would step down
if not this season then next will def be his last

You can't do that, nobody would agree to it.

its been done before and i only ment for this game only

You've said this a billion times, we've heard you.

good because i got slated before when and im being slated because im right . i might stop now

Also who are the average players in Man United's first team?

Diego Forlan, Kleberson, Quinton Fortune, fletcher (not ready yet and may never be for utd), Butt, John o Shea (been really bad this season), Kieran Richardson, David Bellion, Eric Djemba-Djemba (supposed to be roy succesor but isnt he the same age as gerrard!??),Luke Steele (sounds like a pornstar )

spongebob

Originally posted by jank

also think that this will be keano's last season

I also heard that he told Ferguson he wanted to retire which would explain a lot of the recent muppetry at United. Ferguson forgot to tell the Board about this....thinking he can talk him around again.

M

PHB

Diego Forlan, Kleberson, Quinton Fortune, fletcher (not ready yet and may never be for utd), Butt, John o Shea (been really bad this season), Kieran Richardson, David Bellion, Eric Djemba-Djemba (supposed to be roy succesor but isnt he the same age as gerrard!??),Luke Steele (sounds like a pornstar )

Em, you just listed most of the reserves.

The team that players the most is

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Howard

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G.Neville-Silvester-Ferdinand-O Shea-

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Rotation*-rotation*-Keane-Giggs

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Scholes

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Van N

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The rotation being between Ronaldo, Butt, Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba, Forlan.

Butt is a fantastic player imo, strong and solid.
O Shea has had a bad season and is young.


Forlan gets the odd game.
Fortune is only there because there is nobody else, he nevers get his game otherwise.
Fletcher rarely gets his game.
Richardson, Steele and Bellion have barely seen the stadium light.


Would you like me to list the players at Arsenal that never get their game, or rarely, and say that Arsenal have too many average players?
That'd be just stupid

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As for keane, so he's 32, the point still stands, hes going to be around for a good while longer. He's said a million times hes got a few more years in him yet!

DEmeant0r

T'was a great performance once again by Fulham. Junichi Inamoto didn't get enough time on the pitch to do anything super... :dunno:

super_furry

As for keane, so he's 32, the point still stands, hes going to be around for a good while longer. He's said a million times hes got a few more years in him yet!

When is his contract up? He's made no secret of his desire to play for Celtic before he retires.

PHB

Just watching the highlights, anybody else very impressed with Ronaldo?

I don't think Man United played that badly at all.

Keano was solid in central defence, and Saha was unreal, so amazingly fast, thats the type of football that Man united used to play.

Bit unlucky imo to get the draw, but ah well

jank

Would you like me to list the players at Arsenal that never get their game, or rarely, and say that Arsenal have too many average players?

go on sure!

forlan has got his game many times adn so has butt and phil neville

gandalf

Jank why do you have to march into every Man U thread and start this whole Man U vs Arsenal crap.

Gandalf.

BKtje

Well Man u looked better today, much better tho still ot top nothc.
I thought Keane did well and Brown did ok with Keane talking to him whole game. Only a couple of mistakes.
I can understand why some of the players were rested but i cant figure out why Howard was left out. Carrol did well but ****ed up (along wth brown a bit) on the Fulham goal.

I decided on wednesday that Man u have no chance to win the league this year and today just emphasises that i think Fergie agrees with me. Rvn was rested as Saha cant play in the FA cup so Saha will be 'rested' next week. Fergie wants to win somethign this year and i think hes gonna give the FA cup a good go.
Will be interesting to see wether Man u or Chelsea come second.

Diego Forlan, Kleberson, Quinton Fortune, fletcher (not ready yet and may never be for utd), Butt, John o Shea (been really bad this season), Kieran Richardson, David Bellion, Eric Djemba-Djemba (supposed to be roy succesor but isnt he the same age as gerrard!??),Luke Steele (sounds like a pornstar )

Forlan did ok today, nice to run make the space for Saha's goal. Kleberson looks decent and its his first year in the Premiership. Give him time ffs. Flethcer again looks decent but needs work. Butt is fine, lack of match practice but still a good player. O Shea hasnt had a great year but hes young and still learning. Hell hes supposed to be a centre back anyway. Richardson isnt very good imo same with Bellion tho he does try which is v nice. Djemba Djemba i dunno, not too impressed. Steele i dunno really.

I think your over exagerating as usual Jank.

Jank why do you have to march into every Man U thread and start this whole Man U vs Arsenal crap.

I dunno its getting irritating alright but hey if thats how he gets his fun then let him be i guess.

As for Keane retiring. Its possible i guess but he played very well today at centre back and only really fecked up once which (along with brown and carrol) let Fulham in. As Houghton said, hes got years left in him if he plays at centre back.

PHB

Ok lets get really really pednatic just to get the conversation over with.


Defence:

John o Shea

Not gona argue with ya there, O Shea has been bad this season. But by your own admission there, he has also been good last season. He's young and inexperienced, and will take time to get better. Average, this year maybe, last year I don't think so.

Midfield:

Kleberson:
World cup winner, gets his place reguarly on the brazil squad. I wouldn't call him average tbh.

Quinton Fortune:
Yeah, hes a third choice left winger(Giggs, Ronaldo, then him) Yeah he's average

Fletcher:
Young player, barely gets his game, similar comparision at Arsenal John Spicer

Kieran Richardson:
Same again young player, barely gets his game, Maybe pennant, average player aswell.

Eric Djemba-Djemba:
Meant to replace Keane, maybe, average player, yeah I'd say so. A risk taken, hasn't paid off yet. I'd say he's an average player.

Butt:
Quite simply not an average player. He's been a solid member of the squad for years and is in contention for an england spot.

Attackers

Diego Forlan:
In 2002-3 he scored in 6 games out of 7 of his starts. A sub, not quite a super sub unfortunately. maybe he's an average player, I wouldn't agree. Compare to kanu, maybe Wiltford. Wouldn't be considered fantastic or average by Arsenal fans either.

David Bellion:
Shock Shock, young player, doesn't get his game much, noticing a trend?
Average player yeah. Fourth Fifth choice striker? Compare him to Bentely.


Goalies:

Luke Steele:

Ah yes Luke,
Arguably the 4th place Goalie, the third place goalie.
He's 19.
He can be compared to Rami Shaaban Arsenals third choice goalie. Ever heard of him? I doubt most have.
I'll be totally honest when I say i'm not at all suprised that Man United third choice goalie is an average player.

So yeah, Man United have a lot of average players in their side, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CLUB IN THE WORLD!!!!!

jank

ok so i must apologise to all
i may be an arsenal supporter but i am also a football fan

so sorry to all if i caused offence because i posted on a man u thread

but remember i didnt mention arsenal once i this thread
but appolgies once again:ninja:

ill leave ye to it

smemon

league looks to be over now, with only 11 games left. I know im clutching at straws here but there is still a slim chance:

arsenal have to go away to blackburn, n'castle, spurs and fulham and portsmouth. Plus they've Bolton, liverpool, Man Utd, Leeds, Birmingham and leicester at highbury.

with 9 points in it, IF utd best arsenal at highbury, that would make it 6. Liverpool will be tough, possible defeat as will n'castle away. now i know arsenal have gone unbeaten etc etc but surely they cant go unbeaten against utd, pool and n'castle again. 9 points seems a big gap but arsenal still have tough games to come so that could be cut easily.

Utd in many respect have the same sort of run-in as arsenal: away to man city, arsenal, birmingham, portsmouth, blackburn and villa. Home to spurs, charlton, leicester, liverpool and chelsea.

tough games aswell for utd but they still can do it. fa cup will be extra important for us this year, we must win it now that the league looks to be over. however i'll not admit defeat to arsenal until that game on march 28th at highbury, it still remains the decider imo, if they win its all over. if they lose anything could happen.

Pepe LeFrits

dont forget about chelski!

nlgbbbblth

Man Utd can always hope that Arsenal field a couple of unregistered players or fail to fulfill a fixture (3 point deductions would result)

crowl

So yeah, Man United have a lot of average players in their side, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CLUB IN THE WORLD!!!!!

Well said, I am sick of people saying man united are a dying force in football, just because they have played poorly recently and have been missing a number of key players.
You must remember that before Rio Ferdinand started his ban Manu were having one of their best seasons in a long time...
Top of the league, best defensive record in the league, last 16 of the champions league, still in the fa cup. Hardly a disaster now.
I do believe their form since that time has been poor but I believe that this is a temporary problem. On the other hand I dont think it is something that will just go away. It is up to Fergie to sort it out. An experienced central defender and creative midfielder need to be recruited over the summer. There are no problems in attack, they need a little more creativity in midfield but this should not be too hard to sort out and as for the defense people complain about it but before Rio was banned and for the whole of last season they have let in the least goals. I believe both Wes Brown and John O'Shea will develop into excellent players in the future. As for his summer buys that have been given a lot of criticism over the last few weeks it is obvious that Fergie is preparing for the future. I for one cant wait to see Ronaldo, Liam Miller and Kleberson in a couple of years.

The Muppet

The team selections surprised me too today, It certainly looks like Fergie has thrown the towel in for the league this season and is going for the FA Cup . I still hope we do well in europe but the performances of late suggest that will be a forlone hope.

Ah well theres always next Season.

Ronan|Raven

tbh before today there was 7 points in it with 11(?) games to go. I think its daft to throw the towel in so to say this early like the way skeletor sent out his team without rvn and giggs. Beat fulham and things were still gona be interesting. The league is still a long way but won

Well go make it interesting dammit!

James R

I think this whole talk of a crisis is being blown way out of proportion. Yeah Utd haven't been the best in recent weeks but hello they've lost their two first choice centre-halfs. How well would Arsenal do if Toure and Campbell was missing, or Chelsea without Terry and Gallas? Not the best I presume!

Hate to nit pick but Keane is 33 on August 10th not October!

I disagree with the names of so-called average players you've listed

Kleberson is a World Cup winner and while that automatically doesn't make you a great player it shows he has potential. He hasn't had a break from football in ages because he came straight from a Brazilian season into the English one so he didn't have the summer break the other clubs had and before that Brazilian season he had the World Cup. Plus lets not mention the fact that South Americans usually take a while to settle considering its completely different in England and they don't speak the language. He also suffered an injury near the start of his Utd career which kept him out for a fair bit.

Djemba Djemba hasn't really had a chance to be fair. He may not have looked a world beater fair enough but he too deserves time to settle. He missed a lot of time this season by returning to Africa because his mum was sick and with the African Nations.

Fair enough O'Shea hasn't had the best of seasons but that hardly makes him average all of a sudden. Ljungberg hasn't done his usual stuff this season either if you're going to nit pick like that but it doesn't make him average.

Butt has class. He showed that at the World Cup and his only problem at the min is lack of match fitness. I would put him and Phil Neville on a par with Gilberto at the very least.

As for Bellion, Richardson and Steele I don't think these lads have 10 Utd appearances in the Premiership between them. Steele is a 3rd/4th choice 'keeper who you probably haven't even seen play and has yet to make his senior debut. Richardson looks a good prospect but he hasn't played feck all so how can you say hes average. Bellion has played the most of the three but hes way down the pecking order at the minute and is a long term signing.

Hardly makes Utd average in my view

thesecret7

not the most convincing of games by Utd yesturday....RVN should have got that goal towards the end.. maybe he was put off by the yellow card?

What a good day for an arsenal supporter yesturday, brand new 60,000 stadium being built, another win and doing well in Europe!

Roy Keane is defintely not the player he was a few years ago. He looks a lot more ordinary now. He has another 1-2 years left of the clock, The best Utd can do now is beat Chelsea for 2nd spot, try to beat porto at home, get rid of fergie at the end of the season and sort the team out for next season!

TwoShedsJackson

I don't know why Fletcher is getting a game anyway, it's obvious he's not good enough. I would blame it on Ferguson being determined to play him because he's Scottish, but surely that's too ridiculous..

jank

looks like http://www.manutd.com is cutting costs!!

""Roy Keane was born in Cork on 10 October 1971.""

see it here

Dustaz

Originally posted by PHB
You can't do that, nobody would agree to it.

Seems to be pretty standard agreement now in transfers between premiership clubs. Afair Parker didnt play vs charlton his first game back.

James R

Oh well I guess the Utd site is wrong. Its definitely August tenth.

http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2002/05/23/story51249.asp states it and its on various other sites too.

smemon

Originally posted by thesecret7
The best Utd can do now is beat Chelsea for 2nd spot, try to beat porto at home, get rid of fergie at the end of the season and sort the team out for next season!

yeah, why dont we sack our most successful manager ever if we finsh.... wait for it..... 2nd! oh my god what a disgrace. and he should be shot if we finish 3rd! Gerard houllier should be drafted in to sort our team out for next season. he'd buy a few class french defenders im sure.

we will NEVER sack fergie. if anyone wants him out, who do you rate a better manager than him, who could replace him? NOBODY.

Pepe LeFrits

Originally posted by smemon
we will NEVER sack fergie. if anyone wants him out, who do you rate a better manager than him, who could replace him? NOBODY.

that same attitude did wonders for Nottingham Forest didn't it

Michelangelo

Ferguson will get sacked? Please, dont make me laugh!

Thanx 4 The Fish

So united are out of the chase for the premiership then. Or at least now with them behind Chelsea, who many United fans wrote off, they have alot to do. Unfortunately with the team Sir Alex fielded, it looks like he has given up on the prem and is conc entrating on something else. What that is is beyond me as they are fecked in the CL and they have not too good a chance of winning the FA cup, which they never really want anyway, or at least they haven't any season that anybody bar united has won it according to Sir A and his loyal minions of Yes men.

The Muppet

Originally posted by Thanx 4 The Fish
What that is is beyond me as they are fecked in the CL and they have not too good a chance of winning the FA cup, which they never really want anyway, or at least they haven't any season that anybody bar united has won it according to Sir A and his loyal minions of Yes men.

I dont know how you make out they are fecked in the CL. Sure they are not playing at their best at the moment but A win at OT in the next match puts them into the quatert finals. If they can do that sylvester and nevill will be back and while they are not showing winning form at the moment I wouldn't write them off just yet. IMO the Fa cup has always been third choice for United and remains so,

Thanx 4 The Fish

That is not the case, a 3-2 win will not see United through and nor will 4-3. Now they have shown that they can score two against United so it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that they will do it again.

I may be reminding you of that FA cup third priority at the end of the season.

The Muppet

Originally posted by Thanx 4 The Fish
That is not the case, a 3-2 win will not see United through and nor will 4-3. Now they have shown that they can score two against United so it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that they will do it again.

I may be reminding you of that FA cup third priority at the end of the season.

True but i would still not write their chances off. They have the advantage of knowing what they have to do and to write off their chance is premature.

You won't need to remind me of the Fnck All cup being 3rd choice for United. Every united Fan must be aware of this and winning it would be small consolation for not winning the premier league , However a Champions League win would be different matter.;)

Michelangelo

You don't write off United. It's just not smart to do so. i have a feeling they are going to go on some ridiculous string of results. And let's face it, nobody knows for sure what is going to happen. Ye, Arsenal have been better for most the season but anything can happen and they are going to lose two matches at least before this season is out.

GuanYin

Originally posted by Michaelangelo
You don't write off United. It's just not smart to do so. i have a feeling they are going to go on some ridiculous string of results. And let's face it, nobody knows for sure what is going to happen. Ye, Arsenal have been better for most the season but anything can happen and they are going to lose two matches at least before this season is out.

I would seriously doubt Utd's ability to win the PL at this stage.

Arsenal have dropped 14 out 81 points so far this season. Given their current form I can't see them dropping 9 out of the 33 points remaining. Even if they do, Utd, who have a tougher run in, must win every game and given their recent form I seriously doubt its gonna happen. If I were and Arsenal fan I'd be worried about Chelsea right now.

I'd be worried about the CL if I were a Utd fan. How long is it since Utd kept a clean sheet? I don't remember the last game. Without Keane, Neville and Silvestre, the Utd team lack character and I think it will be a touch tough task for them to come back.

I'd really like to see all 3 teams make the next round in the CL, but I think we may have to settle for two London Clubs.

mr_angry

Personally, I can't understand why Fergie is persisting playing Wes Brown at the moment. His job, as manager, is to pick the team most likely to win every game, yet Wes Brown is giving away goals like there's no tomorrow. I admit, United aren't exactly blessed with a large number of central defenders at the moment, but surely Brown is more of a liability than an asset at the moment? Most of the "United will be alright" comments are based on them keeping a few clean sheets in the near future, in order to progress in the Champions League especially. Do you seriously think they will keep a clean sheet at home to Porto? They're a far, far better team than Leeds, and look what happened there!