The reason Enterprise ratings are down.

bizmark

http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/faq.html

? What was i ment to read on that

The borg went back in time in a sphere, that sphere was destroyed by the ENT E

Just how likely is it that a few borg could live though 1.4-5 quantum torps 2.Their ship exploding 3.Re entry 4.Freezeing

There is nothing wrong with 1 ship not being mentioned

There’s something very wrong with never mentioning the FIRST enterprise and the FIRST warp 5 ship

What???

Trust me fans had a bitch attack you needed to have read star trek forums over the last few year's

User45701

Originally posted by bizmark

http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/faq.html
? What was i ment to read on that

The very top of that page it lists the ammount of ships per side and the total amount of ships in star trek.

Originally posted by bizmark

Just how likely is it that a few borg could live though 1.4-5 quantum torps 2.Their ship exploding 3.Re entry 4.Freezeing

What about the part i said about the borg that was blown off of the deflector dish into space still allive he could have easley surived.

Originally posted by bizmark

There’s s omething very wrong with never mentioning the FIRST enterprise and the FIRST warp 5 ship

Its just like saying they didnt mention the first Warp 1 warp 2 warp 3 warp 4 warp 6 warp 7 wapr 8 ships.

bizmark

What about the part i said about the borg that was blown off of the deflector dish into space still allive he could have easley surived

He could of easley survived re entry though earth’s atmosphere then slamming into the ground at crist knows what speed from a few mile drop??

The very top of that page it lists the ammount of ships per side and the total amount of ships in star trek.

I dont get that the federation doesnt have 1456 design's of ships or only 1456 ship's

Its just like saying they didnt mention the first Warp 1 warp 2 warp 3 warp 4 warp 6 warp 7 wapr 8 ships.

Warp 1 = Phoneix
Warp 2 = The Nx apha test ships
Warp 3 = the Nx delta test ship
Warp 4 = No douth one more Nx test ship
Warp 5 = Nx class
Warp 6 = more than likely a upgrade of the nx class engines
Warp 7 = dont know but more than likely some test ship for the conny class or its predecessor
Warp /8/9 = seems to have happened on the conny class seeming they where the mutts nuts class of ship

But thats not the point the point is some one some where at some time SHOULD of mentioned the NX-01 .......The 1701 -A/B/C/D/E get enough mentions

User45701

Originally posted by bizmark
He could of easley survived re entry though earth’s atmosphere then slamming into the ground at crist knows what speed from a few mile drop??

The borg drones organic componets would probbley disolve in re-entry.
Ill stick with the therey that 1 or 2 drones surived the destruction of there sphere.

Originally posted by bizmark
I dont get that the federation doesnt have 1456 design's of ships or only 1456 ship's

Im sure that that web page covers all ship designes since the creation of the federation also i aready said it is inacurate.

Originally posted by bizmark

Warp 1 = Phoneix
Warp 2 = The Nx apha test ships
Warp 3 = the Nx delta test ship
Warp 4 = No douth one more Nx test ship
Warp 5 = Nx class
Warp 6 = more than likely a upgrade of the nx class engines
Warp 7 = dont know but more than likely some test ship for the conny class or its predecessor
Warp /8/9 = seems to have happened on the conny class seeming they where the mutts nuts class of ship

But thats not the point the point is some one some where at some time SHOULD of mentioned the NX-01 .......The 1701 -A/B/C/D/E get enough mentions

The A D E had movies and seris about them so they where obsivaley mentioned.
There where a few mentioned of the B and C both where featured in movies and episodes.

Warp 2,3,4,6,7 = It was never mentioned in other seris or movies that they existed.
Warp 5 = not mentioned (thats the point of this discussion)

They mentioned none of them in any seris or movie so it is not that odd that The warp 5 enterprise was not mentioned

bizmark

Warp 2,3,4,6,7 = It was never mentioned in other seris or movies that they existed.

watch the show

As was mentioned in Enterprise the nx test ships got up to at lest warp 3 you can put one and one together to figure out one more NX test ship broke warp 4

Warp 5 : Nx class

So you have it pritty firm up to Warp 5 .....You have only 100 years to the Connie class so er.........some more test ships an nx class replacement and then the Connie class brings you up to warp 9

Warp 5 = not mentioned (thats the point of this discussion)

What the fudge?......"sir it’s the first Warp 5 ship able to get to Neptune and back in 7 minutes" <-- Enterprise (something along those lines)

The point of this discussion is ENTERPRISE isn’t mentioned at all which it should as the first warp 5 ship first enterprise and you would imagen an important ship.

also i aready said it is inacurate

Then why link to it?

Ill stick with the therey that 1 or 2 drones surived the destruction of there sphere

I just don’t understand that either....I pointed out how its uber unlikely any thing could live though being blown up Re entry though earths atmosphere dropping like a stone slamming into earth and then freezing

Woden

the daedalous class star ships didn't launch until 2161 after the formatin of the UFP max speed warp 5.2 apparently so more advanced then enterprise. (the advancment is also evident in the design in which you can now clearly see a primary and secondary hull which was the status quo for a number of years in starfleet ship design and features in a number of other classes that everyone is familar with galaxy, constitution, ambassador, excelsior etc.)

whilest enterprise mission started around 2151 which if it was a 7 year show would fit in nicely with the founding of the federation around the end of it.

with regards to warp speeds we must recall that the warp scale was revised in 2271 and for example the old warp 4.7 is now warp 4 in TNG and some of the films and such

with regards to the "NX class" i wasn't aware that is was called a class, persumeably starfleet reserve this class for what ever is under development. so there would have been nx class warp 3 and 4 ships that then went into full scale production.

also we dont' know what the jump was whether ships before the enterprise are only capable of warp 3 or something and that they went straight to warp 5 which would really explain why the enterprise is the only ship out exploring far out relatively speaking.

data

User45701

ok ok ok ive read over the last page and now im lost....

Originally posted by bizmark

watch the show

As was mentioned in Enterprise the nx test ships got up to at lest warp 3 you can put one and one together to figure out one more NX test ship broke warp 4

Warp 5 : Nx class

So you have it pritty firm up to Warp 5 .....You have only 100 years to the Connie class so er.........some more test ships an nx class replacement and then the Connie class brings you up to warp 9

You said before that the warp 5 ship wasent mentioned in other seris, it dosent count that the NX protos where mentioned in enterprise cause i thought we where talking about the fact that The Enterprise wasent mentioned in TOS TNG DS9 VOY.

Originally posted by bizmark
It was never mentioned in 30 year's ever ALSO their was a Earth/early federation ship designed long ago called the Daedalus class designed by the same man who designed the Enterprise 1701 / A The Essex was a member of this class.....Although the design *even though it was seen in star trek as models in some captains ready rooms* isn’t certain the ship itself is. NX was never mentioned very very odd for the first warp 5 ship

The warp 2,3,4, wernt mentioned in any seris so why is it so odd that the warp 5 wasent mentioned before

Originally posted by bizmark

What the fudge?......"sir it’s the first Warp 5 ship able to get to Neptune and back in 7 minutes" <-- Enterprise (something along those lines)

The point of this discussion is ENTERPRISE isn’t mentioned at all which it should as the first warp 5 ship first enterprise and you would imagen an important ship.

The first warp 5 is just as important then the first warp 2,3,4,6,7,8 and most of them wernt mentioned before

Originally posted by bizmark

I just don’t understand that either....I pointed out how its uber unlikely any thing could live though being blown up Re entry though earths atmosphere dropping like a stone slamming into earth and then freezing

You do make a good point but it is possible that some of them did surive, or MABE no borg surived. Mabe some sort of auto regeneration or nanoprobe assimalation device surived.

bizmark

with regards to warp speeds we must recall that the warp scale was revised in 2271 and for example the old warp 4.7 is now warp 4 in TNG and some of the films and such

Enterprise is useing the TNG warp scale

with regards to the "NX class" i wasn't aware that is was called a class,

"Take a good look Nx class ship and more are on the way" <-- archer to some aliens bullying earths cargo ships

Nx delta etc was mentioned in a enterprise ep where archer and some other guy uses it to break warp 3.....The aplha broke warp 2

Pepe LeFrits

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

bizmark

You said before that the warp 5 ship wasent mentioned in other seris, it dosent count that the NX protos where mentioned in enterprise cause i thought we where talking about the fact that The Enterprise wasent mentioned in TOS TNG DS9 VOY.

User ........The ship wasn’t ever mentioned in Tos Tng Ds9 or voyager THATS THE POINT! all the series are connected in the timeline "if its the same time line" a ship as important as Enterprise SHOULD of been mentioned purely because it is Enterprise its the first warp 5 ship helped save earth and is involved in a fecking time war + was the first true exploring ship in starfleet

which i tryed to put across a few times (might of done it better tbh)

The point of this discussion is ENTERPRISE isn’t mentioned at all which it should as the first warp 5 ship first enterprise and you would imagen an important ship.

But thats not the point the point is some one some where at some time SHOULD of mentioned the NX-01 .......The 1701 -A/B/C/D/E get enough mentions

There’s something very wrong with never mentioning the FIRST enterprise and the FIRST warp 5 ship

The Enterprise Nx class should of been mentioned at lest once much like the 1701-A/B/C/D/E

Unless it never exsited "oh i hope"

User45701

Originally posted by bizmark
Enterprise is useing the TNG warp scale

I remember talking about that with people before. My point stays the same that other seris did not mention the earlyier ships

Originally posted by bizmark

"Take a good look Nx class ship and more are on the way" <-- archer to some aliens bullying earths cargo ships

Nx delta etc was mentioned in a enterprise ep where archer and some other guy uses it to break warp 3.....The aplha broke warp 2

Yes but you said

Originally posted by bizmark
"NX was never mentioned very very odd for the first warp 5 ship

so i thought that ment that we wernt talking about Enterprise episodes?
You said that the Enterprise/NX wasent mentioned before and that it was odd.

Im just saying that none of the ships before Enterprise except the phionex was mentioned so it is not that odd that the enterprise wasent mentioned.

Originally posted by Kaids
If you dont have anything relevent to say then dont post

I love in debth discussions biz but we can agree on this cant we....

Enterprise should be delcared non-cannon
or
Enterprise should turn out to be in the mirror univerce with the mighty terran empire and screw those loser fans who dont like S31

EDIT: why the hell was page 3 so long? on normel topics it goes to a new page quick enough but we typed loads and it didnt change page...

bizmark

Ok im going to start this again and try and make my points clearer.....

The ship Enterprise Nx-01 wasn’t mentioned in star trek tos tng ds9 or voyager that’s odd because the ship appears to be quite important for the following reasons 1.Its a enterprise 2.Its the first warp 5 ship 3.Its off saving earth 4.Its involved in a time war 5.Its made first connect with a good few aliens etc.

The test ships ARE mentioned in enterprise so they ARE mentioned in star trek cannon which is fine we get a pretty clear line to the warp 5 ship (which is nice) unless enterprise is declare non cannon. As has the phoenix anyway forget about them for the mo

Have a look at the other enterprises EVERY ONE of them has been mentioned and shown on screen even the ones we really have never seen much off ....E-B E-C the same should be true of NX-01 but its not i find they very very odd

Why wouldn’t any Starfleet captain mention the Nx-01 it played a pivotal role shaping the future up to and beyond the 24 centuries it and its crew possible played a major part in the romulan war and the formation of the federation?? You see where im coming from? It being the first warp 5 ship is only a small part of why it’s odd for it never to be mentioned

It all points to enterprise never exsiting or just being plan unimportant but that seems unlikely due to its saveing earth and all

User45701

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It is some sort of ****ed up time travel thing. It all points to 1 thing.
The sphere builders. The only way to restore the timeline and make enterprise make sence is to defeat the sphere builders in the past.
If they are defeated then they will never build the spheres. The spheres created the expance, in the expance unique life evolved like the Xindi.
The suliban temperal cold war exists because of the sphere builders

and i quote
The guy who talks to Sulibon: "Those in contact with the Xindi are from another faction"
The Temperal cold war in some way relates to the Sphere builders. If they are defeated then the Xindi attack will never happen
The Sulibon will never chace a klingon to earth in the first episode of Enterprise either.

I agree that it is odd they didnt mention the Enterprise or other NX in other seris.

Damm cold war...

bizmark

If the expanse/Sphear builders/sulibu never exsited most of the time line would be perfect again

No expanse No meeting the klingons No 7 million dead on earth ....But they would still need to explan a few other things

User45701

What do u think would be better biz?

1.At the end of Enterprise last season the sphere builders and everything is ok.

2.At the end of the 4th season the defeat the sphere builders and then follow the timeline so we have 3 seaons (5 6 7) of the propper timeline, with the romulan war and all that.

bizmark

This is a one seasion arc so what ever happens happens this year i think

What would be best seeming we know the sphear builders has their heads kicked in by the fed's would be starfleet "in the future" sorting its **** out and restoreing the ****ing timeline thats with Time travel police guys are for.Surely the Fed could send a fleet or even agent's back in time to kill "future guy" theirfore the Suliban would never exsit ......with no suliban being a threat to enterprise its weapions tech wouldnt advance so quick so no Photons!....they could do the same to the sphears/expanse in the past

And their ya go all sorted out ! timeline restored all is hunkydorry....Bah i dont think that would happen though but no douth archer will find away.

What would you do user

User45701

I think this cold war will last another season because i went to the startrek.com and on the page there was a pic and 2 lines about the last episode in this season and i think it will probbley be to be contunied but im not positive.

I would like the idia of having a earth/romulan war with nukes going off all over the place.

bizmark

Be cool alright seeming Andor etc gets into the war

User45701

I didnt know that...

I thought that it was just a rom/earth war fought with nukes before the invention of view screans.

what part did the andorians play in the war and what episode was it mentioned in?

bizmark

It was Earth Andor and some other race starting with T against the Romulans tbh im not sure if it was mentioned on screen and so might just be speculation but it makes alot of sense war's have a way of making long term allies (ie the federation)

Vulcans didn’t take part the pointy eared pacifist

And viewscreens where invented romulans just didn’t use them ....Come on honestly a race able to travel in space but not able to developed viewscreen technology?

User45701

That is impressive military might for the star empire to match the millitant andorians and the humans.

I dont think it was mentioned onscrean. i cant remember it been mentioned anyway

bizmark

The militry of earth seems to suck donkey balls from what we seen tbh Andor seems to have big impressive ships though

Id say over all the rommies had between 500 -1000 ships and allies 300-700 thats why the Daedalous class was developed a quick and powerful warship (defiant style) to win the war.

anyway the romulans lost and federation formed....Apperetly because of the lost of life on the allies side rommies ****ed off into hideing for 100 year's so they must of been badly hurt by it as well

be a cool war

User45701

Well the rommies would have a huge fleet because they would have plans to re-occupy vulcan at some point.

Ye would be a great war.

bizmark

Andor would have a fully war ready fleet due to there cold war with Vulcan so for some time Andor would you’d think bear the brunt of the war while Earth is off building its fleet or buying warships

The romulan fleet doesn’t have to be huge just a dedicated warfleet compared to the smaller andor fleet and the cargo/exploring/semi war ship dominated earthfleet

User45701

Ye the andors would be war ready,
I can see why the vulcans stayed netruel...

There 2 biggest enemies Andoriens and Romulans and some other loser planet called earth are all in some big war. If Vulcans stay netruel they win.

bizmark

Earth becomes the Quadrants super power after the rommie war so i wouldn’t call earth a "loser world" just one with out a big military but a HUGE economy and ship building abilit

User45701

Ye but back then they where viewed as a loser planet, it took a good while for them to become the super power they are 2day.

bizmark

Earth was never considered a loser planet ...They had a nuke war and took around 50 years to fully recover from then only 50-80 more to totally dominate the quadrant beat the Romulans and form the Federation


Earth rocks

User45701

Ye but reley when earth first started to explore space they where viewed as just some minor race like bynars or some other race with just a little fleet and.

Wasent S31 around since the founding of the federation?
I wonder if we will see its formation at the end of Enterprise...

Woden

damned if i was wading through all that when i got home

firstly who says enterprise is using TNG warp scale?

the race starting with T would be the tellerites (sp?) one of the founders of the federation iirc

section 31 is around since the start of the federation it was part of the original charter

enterprise is canon its on screen that is all that matters, the fact that the enterprise was never mentioned in TNG, TOS whatever is irrelevant we all know the simple reason is that it wasn't part of the history then but it is now if people can't get there head out of there ass and swallow that don't watch it, its on screen now and its new star trek and i for one enjoy watching it.

it will be made to fit in as best as they can with what we know as the future and we will just have to live with it

data

User45701

I am still going to hope for the rise of the mighty terran empire.

bizmark

Originally posted by Dataisgod
damned if i was wading through all that when i got home

firstly who says enterprise is using TNG warp scale?

the race starting with T would be the tellerites (sp?) one of the founders of the federation iirc

section 31 is around since the start of the federation it was part of the original charter

Its easy enough to work out what scales their useing some have done so already and it works out to be the TNG scale (im not searching the interwebby for it)

That race sounds right and yes section 31 was around at the start of the fed more than likely as a counter to the Rommie intellagence agency

enterprise is canon its on screen that is all that matters, the fact that the enterprise was never mentioned in TNG, TOS whatever is irrelevant we all know the simple reason is that it wasn't part of the history then but it is now if people can't get there head out of there ass and swallow that don't watch it, its on screen now and its new star trek and i for one enjoy watching it.

IV said it before and ill say it again.....You’re a fanboy you can’t argue with fanboys because they won’t bleave ANYTHING you throw at them.
Fan: Oh look the timeline is all ****ed up their must be a logical reason for this maybe it’s because as Daniels himself said enterprise is a alternive timeline therefore explaining the difference in both timelines BINGO!
Fanboy : Eh so what enterprise is so L33T man big bangs and some tits **** the timeline!!!!
Fan: er ok then but you do relies that one 3 year show doesn’t have the right to piss on 30 years of known Facts
Fanboy: But the explosions man!! And the time war you got to love the time war!! + That akira is one sexy ship
Fan : **** this :dunno:

bizmark

Originally posted by User45701
I am still going to hope for the rise of the mighty terran empire.

Theres noting pointing to a terran empire earth isnt "evil" hence not being a mirror of the "real" federation earth

User45701

we know nothing of the much earlyier days of the terran/vulcan empire its possible this Xindi war will lead to a more agressive earth

bizmark

A mirror universe means EVERY thing is Different earth would be "evil" from the outset not just because of some small scale war.

I think

User45701

Well there is very little cannon info on the mirror univerce.

One of the books by william shatner has the 2 spocks meeting and discussing in great detail history of both there univerces. They decide that the 2 univerces "split" after First contact.

My point is we dont know enough about the mirror univerce to know what there earley history was like.

1 event 9/11 alterd our history greatley it has caused many conflicts and much death.

It makes sence to assume that 1 event like an atack on earth or the suliban ****ing around with the klingon empire would alter the univerce allot

bizmark

Books arent cannon

what is it with you and the mirror univerise Ds9 ****ed it all up anyway "mighty" my ass it gets conqured 150 or so years after enterprise where as the real federation goes on strong well into the 29th centure so how Mighty are they.

sceptre

Originally posted by bizmark
A mirror universe means EVERY thing is Different earth would be "evil" from the outset not just because of some small scale war.

I think

Loath as I am to even participate in this thread (sorry chaps, but it's actually quite funny so far), a "mirror universe" doesn't implicitly mean that everything is opposite. Kirk appealed to the logic of the alternative Spock in the original series episode. On the face of it the alternative Spock wasn't all that different from the usual one apart from the fake beard.

"Mirror" is rather a poor term to be honest (admittedly it was part of the title used for the episode but it was easier to understand than "Alternative" or "Alternate" for the execs that like to do things like not call movies "The Assassin" or "Licence Revoked" for fear that people won't understand the terms). A single aspect of the universe as experienced by the nation's favourite Starfleet crew happened to be rather significantly different from the universe they had experience of. The beard was put in to remind us all of who was who.

User45701

I said it was a book and i said it was not cannon.

I love the mirror univerce it only fell because one of the greatest minds became a ****ing pasafist (how do u spell that?)

I love the idia of the great emperor tiberus Kirk

bizmark

Loath as I am to even participate in this thread (sorry chaps, but it's actually quite funny so far

yes im board of this ....i was board of this 4 hours ago but eh

a "mirror universe" doesn't implicitly mean that everything is opposite.

So it doesnt quite mean its totaly different but doesnt quite mean it is not...

Anyway by the shows own admission enterprise is set in an alternate universe I couldn’t be arsed trying to prove it anymore

User45701

When did they say it was in a alternite timeline?

bizmark

Azila prime or what ever it was called

"Your timeline shouldnt be happening notting that has happened has reached us in the future" or something along those lines was said on board the Enterprise-Jimmy i think Which = alternate timeline TOS TNG DS9 VOYAGER where all uneffected by Enterprise......crist yey!

User45701

Danials said

"Where 400 years in the future. He talks about the expance says it expands 50,000 light years in all dirictions and it is growing. The sphere builders are altering this space to make it habatble for their species. Its a prelude to invasion." *he brings archer to the battle of procieon 5 where the federation engases the sphere builders*
"The klingons are also in the federation. The federation wins the day, the dive the enemy back to there relem. This species has tech that can examine alternite timelines, they have seen enterprises future and they have seen Enterprises future and want to change it. They contacted the Xindi and told them that humans would destroy them."

hmm i supose that

This species has tech that can examine alternite timelines, they have seen enterprises future and they have seen Enterprises future and want to change it.

could mean that enterprise is a alternite timeline, i hope it does. It could also just mean that the aliens dont precive time the way we do. They saw the future, They saw the federation winning the battle and then they changed the past by making the Xindi attack earth.

Woden

Originally posted by bizmark


IV said it before and ill say it again.....You’re a fanboy you can’t argue with fanboys because they won’t bleave ANYTHING you throw at them.
Fan: Oh look the timeline is all ****ed up their must be a logical reason for this maybe it’s because as Daniels himself said enterprise is a alternive timeline therefore explaining the difference in both timelines BINGO!
Fanboy : Eh so what enterprise is so L33T man big bangs and some tits **** the timeline!!!!
Fan: er ok then but you do relies that one 3 year show doesn’t have the right to piss on 30 years of known Facts
Fanboy: But the explosions man!! And the time war you got to love the time war!! + That akira is one sexy ship
Fan : **** this :dunno:

i've been holding off on reply to this because 1) i was watching enterprise and 2) i'm suppressing a desire to wring you by the neck

i don't believe myself to be a "fanboy" as you call it, the only person here that typically mentions the sfx and explosions is you tbh, nor does anyone here go on about the tits, considering your stringent unbending opinion on all things trek i would consider you to be the fanboy, who believes the gospel according to gene roddenberry and heaven forbid the NX was never mentioned in TNG or something omfg.

now back to the heated discussion on alternative timelines.

the enterprise was in development for launch before anything to do with this temporal cold war started, so even if for some reason they are in an alternative timeline now, it couldn't have been originally.

now on alternative timelines themselves. i think of a time line rather like a potential energy minimum for example in a harmonic oscillator or a molecular bond or even a taut string, small disturbances to the bond or string which cause vibrations or ripples or oscillations or whatever but still the timeline/bond/string returns to its potential minimum on its true course.

whilst a large disturbance to the timeline/string/bond thus can cause alternative universes which are similar to ours but different, or the taut string can break or the molecule can dissociate anyway you get the analogy.

so any type of time travel causes changes, kirk going back to get the whales, sisko in the riots and gabriel bell, the doctor with his mobile emitter, picard and first contact nobody is complaining that how these may have effected the timeline.

so of course this whole temporal cold war thing is changing the time line creating alternative universes but the question is are they alternative enough for it to warrant significant changes in the 24th century we all know and love or not?

i for one don't mind to much its just a case of the 29th century and the others having affected a previous century which in turn effects the others, however the fact that daniels is still around shows that the federation is and that all is well and that the federation that we expect to form will form, the effect of the ripples into daniels timeline will tell.

Regards

Data

P.S this thread is becoming close to being locked

P.P.S i'm also close to banning the word akiraprise from this forum

bizmark

believes the gospel according to gene roddenberry

You cant be a sci fi fan with out worshiping at the alter of roddenberry (good old stargate)

and you cant ban akiraprise its a warrented slur on the "design" of enterprise

User45701

Originally posted by Dataisgod

the enterprise was in development for launch before anything to do with this temporal cold war started, so even if for some reason they are in an alternative timeline now, it couldn't have been originally.

The Enteprise shouldent have lave launched when it did and may not have even launched with Archer as captin. The sulibon caused the enterprise to launch earley.

Woden

these are the ripples i'm talking about though, enterprise would always had archer as a captain he was destined for it etc. however it would not have launched them perhaps, the question is, is that ripple on the launch date important to what we know

TCamen

IV said it before and ill say it again.....You’re a fanboy you can’t argue with fanboys because they won’t bleave ANYTHING you throw at them

Seems to me like you're the one with the issues about Enterprise, more than anyone else posting. Dataisgod seems happy to watch the show & just enjoy it? Same here. Surely a 'fanboy' would be a lot more critical of all the breaches of canon?
Again I'd say, I don't mind what the ship looks like as long as the plots are entertaining. I think it's ridiculous to say that because I don't wet myself over the technical specs of each ship that I can't enjoy Star Trek.
Watching the show & allowing yourself to be entertained is actually more fun than nitpicking over every single detail.
I stopped watching the show last season cos I didn't like the directionlessness of the whole thing. I started again because I was interested in the Xindi/Expanse arc. I like the show now because of it. *shrug* Can't really say anymore than that, nor do I plan to.

DMT

Originally posted by User45701
The Enteprise shouldent have lave launched when it did and may not have even launched with Archer as captin. The sulibon caused the enterprise to launch earley.

Bingo - NX-01 isn't mentioned in other series because it was scrapped, the possible reasons for which could make for a good story in themselves. Temporal cold war changed all the that.

DMT

Originally posted by DMT
Bingo - NX-01 isn't mentioned in other series because it was scrapped, the possible reasons for which could make for a good story in themselves. Temporal cold war changed all the that.

It's scrapped, replaced by the Daedalus, then 250 years later, Akira ship designer likes the look of old NX-01 design while looking through old blue prints, decides to copy the design....