Michael Owen....

mike65

That is all....

Mike.

zAbbo

Missed Peno

zAbbo

And its 2-0 to Southhampton

Blimmeh

mike65

Full time.

Saints 2 0 Liverpool

I dispair, I really do. Owen should'nt be allowed to take another peno - he was never much good at them. Diouf MUST be sold in the summer.

Mike.

The Muppet

Owen is shadow of his former self, even from play today he missed goals that he would have had for breakfast a few season ago. Whats up with him? Heskey on the right didn,t do much either. Gerrard had a good game and showed commitment but after that the rest were average.

Shred

Full time.

Saints 2 0 Liverpool

I dispair, I really do. Owen should'nt be allowed to take another peno - he was never much good at them. Diouf MUST be sold in the summer.

Mike.

I concur:mad:

jank

I think owen wants out of liverpool, world class player but he needs a better team or manager

jesus_thats_gre

I have to agree with everyone else, GH has to go!!! It has taken till now for me to genuinely feel this but I wont let my dissatisfaction at GH's performances as manager distract me from another main problem. Half the squad needs to be cut and sold.

The players that should stay:

22 Chris Kirkland

3 Steve Finnan
4 Sami Hyypia
18 John Arne Riise
23 Jamie Carragher

7 Harry Kewell
20 Anthony Le Tallec
17 Steven Gerrard

5 Milan Baros
24 Florent Sinama Pongolle
10 Michael Owen

The above list are players I consider to be good enough to stay in the squad, some would be on the bench but provide adequate back up for the number 1 in the respective position.

I dont think Owen wants to leave, he is genuinely concerned he won't win enough at Liverpool and has the daunting decision of cutting his losses and leaving for another club, or throw it all in on Liverpool! Its an impossible descision to make and I wouldnt like to make that decision.

Kone

Originally posted by jank
I think owen wants out of liverpool, world class player but he needs a better team or manager

I agree, his heart isn't in it anymore.

Davexirl

I think GH should go now all season long i have been saying ah give them time to get there players back from injury, It's just i have lost faith in him now and a new manager needs to be bought in. I hope Martin O'Neill gets the job.

Harry2001

Originally posted by jank
I think owen wants out of liverpool, world class player but he needs a better team or manager

Agreed

Owen has to leave Liverpool in the summer - his career is going in the same direction as the club

Nowhere!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S GH has to go too

PHB

I'd love to see Owen play in Arsenal/Chel/Man Uniteds side, I really think he'd be an incredible goal scorer.

zAbbo

He should stay, and will

If he does go, it will not be to another English team

The Muppet

Originally posted by bazH
He should stay, and will

If he does go, it will not be to another English team

I dont think owen will go of his own accord if houlier is replaced. However. I dont think he will be willing to sign a long term contact either and Liverpool may be forced to sell him or risk losing him on a free next year. I think if he does move he will go to Spain.

Makaveli

I think Liverpool should cash in on Owen as soon as possible.
Then get rid of Gh.
And then get a manager that will be spend the Owen money on 1 or 2 very good players instead of 8 mediocre ones.
The squad needs a serious over haul. There's no point in having a big squad if the majority of the players are crap.

[DF]Lenny

I think the 'deal' for Cisse is cover as such for the owen situation..ergo if they get CL spot Owen will stay and partner Cisse next year...if they don't(as looks more likely atm)Owen will want to leave..Liverpool will not bother with a new contract and sell him for 20m or so which will cover Cisse's cost and we can carry on in the UEFA cup yet again.:(

The Phenom

Micheal Owen is the most overrated player there is. Of course he'll stay at Liverpool there the only team that want him. He's one of those players who cant cut it in the big leagues.

James R

To be honest I'm not surprised by the result

Lets face it Southampton away isn't an easy fixture for anyone and they had their new boss in charge for his first game so the players were bound to be fired up. Incidentally thats the 10th penalty miss of Owens in his Liverpool career.

Johnny_the_fox

Since Fowler went, Owen has had no another “real” player to compete against at Liverpool… now he is automatic choice for the first striker.. thats probably why hes so sh/t recently...

cournioni

If Liverpool are smart they should cash in on Owen in the summer. I think the only real asset that he had was his pace, and he seems to have lost that too. He's nearly as bad as Forlan at this stage.

vorbis

I thought justice was done for the penalty. it looked like another dive from Kewell.

shotamoose

Owen's probably waiting around to see if GH gets the sack or not. Speculating here, but I'd say he'll stay if he thinks Martin O'Neill or someone of similar calibre is going to get the job. If Gerard is still in post with another UEFA cup campaign about to kick off, Owen might feel enough's enough.

I do think Houllier should go if things don't seriously pick up. He's had more than his chance, and the club hasn't progressed during his time.

And I don't know about Cisse either. From what I saw of him in the World Cup he didn't seem all that great, and I'm getting a bit sick of Liverpool signing French or French-African players in general. Then again, he is top scorer in the French league ...

eirebhoy

GH said he still has confidence in allowing Owen take penalties. I wonder will Owen still take them. He's missed nearly half of those he has took.

AmenToThat

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
If Liverpool are smart they should cash in on Owen in the summer. I think the only real asset that he had was his pace, and he seems to have lost that too. He's nearly as bad as Forlan at this stage.

The thing is though who would buy him and how much would Liverpool make out of the deal?
Apart fromt he fact that hes not as sharp as he used to be, which in itself is bizarre as its only a 24 year old were talking about the guy is pron to injury, in the current economic climate football finds itself in who would fork out a kings ransom(apart from Chelsea) on a guy who will most likely spend half the season in hospital?

jank

id say current value for owen in today climate would be around umm.....£20 million or so, however if you asked the question 3 years ago you could be talking £40 million

strange how players increment or decrement in value, still £20 million aint bad

Oriel

"Diouf back for Reds", followed by a 2-0 defeat.
It's not brain science, people...

"A furious Gerard Houllier blamed the linesman's decision on the first goal for Liverpool's defeat by Southampton at the St Mary's Stadium, and added James Beattie's goal was three yards off-side"
Now that's just halarious...

I think we should sell Owen while he's actually worth a bob or two.

p.pete

Originally posted by Johnny_the_fox
Since Fowler went, Owen has had no another “real” player to compete against at Liverpool… now he is automatic choice for the first striker.. thats probably why hes so sh/t recently...

I think Baros would be most Liverpool fans first choice striker at the moment...

_blank_

Owen needs to leave Liverpool this summer, and I do think he will, Champions League spot or not.

He has gone stale at Liverpool, just like Beckham had gone stale at Manchester United. Just like Robbie Fowler went stale at Liverpool before Owen.

I'm not saying the guy isn't class anymore, but he needs to move on to kick-start his career from the current state of stagnation he finds himself in at Liverpool.

God knows who'd buy him though, that's another problem he has. On current form none of the top teams would be interested, so he could end up signing for a second rate Spanish outfit. That would be a pity.

And wherever he goes, he should not take the penalties!

kida

Chelsea will prob be interested - if they put in a serious bid Liverpool would probably have to accept. I think he would do well there. I agree with others he has gone stale just as Beckham had at United.

At this stage with his injuries would he actually pass a medical, they might have to keep him!!!

Lex Luthor

Originally posted by shotamoose
Owen's probably waiting around to see if GH gets the sack or not. Speculating here, but I'd say he'll stay if he thinks Martin O'Neill or someone of similar calibre is going to get the job. If Gerard is still in post with another UEFA cup campaign about to kick off, Owen might feel enough's enough.

I do think Houllier should go if things don't seriously pick up. He's had more than his chance, and the club hasn't progressed during his time.

And I don't know about Cisse either. From what I saw of him in the World Cup he didn't seem all that great, and I'm getting a bit sick of Liverpool signing French or French-African players in general. Then again, he is top scorer in the French league ...

I agree here with ya shotamoose. Owen looks like his heart is not in it with GH in charge. He's looking around the field and I don't think he see where his chances are coming from. A couple of years ago when we had Barmby up & down the wing and Riise was on form, he was getting service from both flanks. Yesterday was an example of the total opposite of that even though we played with 2 wide guys, you wouldn't know it. I don't know who was worse, Kewell of Diouf. Obviously it was Diouf, Kewell had a shot on at least in the first half and made a bit of a contribution in the 2nd half. If a new manager like O'Neill comes in, I think Owen will stay. He's not going to come out in public and say his manager is crap.....thats why you hear him say he wants him to stay. Maybe the board should start reading between the lines.

TBH, I'm not as bothered about Owen leaving, as I would be if SG did. Every game lately, the lad is playing out of his skin for nothing. I hope he stays for life cos he's a local lad and wants them to do well, but if this continues, he might just decide to pack it in also and move on. Hyypia is probably thinking the same. And I wouldn't be surprised if Kewell starts acting up in another year if nothing has changed.

Yesterday, I was probably my most depressed after the game. OK, Beattie was offside, but when Owen stepped up, everyone knew the outcome. GH hasn't got the balls to take him off peno duty. And he says he is still there if the next one comes up. SG needs to take charge on the pitch here and give the ball to Kewell or himself. Enoughs ENOUGH!!!!

Also, about this Thai president making a bid to take over the club. I have mixed feelings about it but the board definately needs waking up. They're too loyal to GH and we need fresh ideas now. GH can go and he can take PT with him.

I've had enough. We had a chance yesterday to get within one point of 4th place with a game in hand and they blew it. They don't deserve Champions League, so why are they trying for it. I'd rather see Villa or Charlton get it at this stage/

zAbbo

I watched the highlights on Sky last night, Owen indeed missed 2 goals he would have easily tapped in. Still the general gameplan from Liverpool was just to lump the ball up front. Strange considering we have Hamann who is a great simple short ball player and Gerard who is arguably one of the best passers in England.

Villain

Owen was utter crap missed a great 1 on 1 in the first half, it was an easier chance than 1 Beatie scored, all he had to do was lift the ball.

GH said he will be his penalty taker!!!

Sorry but have to post this somewhere:


Villa are ahead of the POOL!!!

I know it probably won't last long but what a great feeling!!

mike65

I doubt Owen wants to leave, he seems to be very settled in his private life and I doubt getting offloaded to Barca or similair would appeal. I was talking to a fellow (desperate) fan today who was starting to hope we
dont make European footie next season so GH has to be sacked/let go. It'll be our bloody luck that Liverpool win the Uefa cup and the board says okay Houllier you can stay.

Mike.

eirebhoy

Originally posted by mike65
I was talking to a fellow (desperate) fan today who was starting to hope we
dont make European footie next season so GH has to be sacked/let go.

An awful lot of fans wish the same.

Villain

Originally posted by eirebhoy
An awful lot of fans wish the same.

Thats very sad, wishing for the downfall of your team to get a manager

StickyMcGinty

owen just isnt interested anymore. simple as that.

and any player who is only interested in playing well when hes in the champions league doesnt deserve to wear the red shirt. stevie gerrard is a classic example of a loyal player.

houllier needs to stop praising owen and critise him, he did it to gerrard and look how he responded.

houllier, although he is the nicest manager in the premiership, i think its time for a change. most pool fans would agree.

Lex Luthor

Originally posted by VinnyL

any player who is only interested in playing well when hes in the champions league doesnt deserve to wear the red shirt. stevie gerrard is a classic example of a loyal player.

houllier needs to stop praising owen and critise him, he did it to gerrard and look how he responded.

spot on Vinny. Owen needs a good kick up the arse and start earning his 80k/week. He looks like he doesn't want to stretch himself too much in case he gets injured and can't make Euro 2004. I have a feeling he is saving himself for that and put himself in the shop window.

Shred

I don't wish/hope that Liverpool don't make 4th spot but maybe it would be a blessing in disguise. Maybe then the sh*t would hit the fan and the board would stop being so complacent.

If Liverpool make 4th then great, but things will have to change next season big time.

Dr. Dre

Originally posted by jank
id say current value for owen in today climate would be around umm.....£20 million or so, however if you asked the question 3 years ago you could be talking £40 million

strange how players increment or decrement in value, still £20 million aint bad

That's a lot of money for someone to keep the bench warm when he invariably gets injured, I'd say there are a lot of managers who would have to think long and hard about that sort of outlay and £80k a week, Owen is not as much of a goldenboy as he used to be, the shine seems to have gone.

leeroybrown

Liverpool should _definitely_ replace GH at the summer (not before then) as the club isn't moving forward under him. The new manager will have to be given quite a bit of money to buy in some new players and offload a bit of the dead weight.

Liverpool _need_ to start to play passing football. It doesn't take a genius to work out that:

1) Teams who consistently pass the ball well over the course of a season win more matches and more trophies.
2) Liverpool _need_ to start doing this and drop the boring and inefectual wasteful style they have.
3) Occasionally when Liverpool actually play well it's because for some reason they "forget to not pass".

I think a lot of this will be down to bringing in a manager who is able to improve Liverpool's style of play. The core of the team has quite a bit of talent it it's supplemented with some flair and guile in midfield and a better style of play.

Owen should (and more than likely will) stay at Liverpool and will probably recapture some form under a new manager. His confidence (the ease of loss of which is his greatest weakness) will no doubt come back and he'll start scoring for fun again. A change in style of play where he gets better quality passes from more positions and supporting movement will also benefit him.

Caked Karen

i heard owen was having trouble with his personal life there i think it was on some website not too sure. i mean it cant be easy for him with his wife havin that bad accident off the horse and appartently is getting threats over the contracr. i honestly think he needs a few games off to get his head together and see. i mean its worth a shot as he isnt doing anything on the pitch! he may aswell try and get sorted off it and then focus on it.

baros is def number one striker at the mo. he's playing well and hope he'll be at anfield along time.

als heard somewhere that houiller would be guarenteed his place next year. apparently david moores said it. so as long as he's there houllier will be by the makes of it.

**if im wrong i apologies most of if is probably goosip!

TwoShedsJackson

Why doesn't Gerrard take the penalties. He at least has nerves of steel, and can hit a ball about ten times harder than Owen can.

ButcherOfNog

Originally posted by TwoShedsJackson
Why doesn't Gerrard take the penalties. He at least has nerves of steel, and can hit a ball about ten times harder than Owen can.

Because Houllier can't make difficult decisions, like dropping Biscan when Henchoz was fit again, or giving penalty taking to someone whos actually good at it. He pretends its loyalty, but its actually lack of balls on Mr Houlliers part. Last season when the pool lead the league and Dudek started throwing the ball into the net, did he replace him? No he didn't, even tho he'd Kirkland sitting on the bench. That cost the pool the best chance at the championship they had in years. His career at the club is littered with his sidestepping awkward decisions and doing nothing instead.

Sack the frog and end the nightmare, please.

Ronan|Raven

Milan Milan Milan, well the boy wonder is doing as well as I suspected! Baros that is! Only for the fact Owen hasnt signed a contract hedbe on the bench imho. Lord knows if Heskey missed those chances there would be a 20 page thread dedicated about it.

Liverpool for the Intertoto and im not joking as that is all Liverpool deserve. Let the people realise how short the holidays are when you are back in europe in july.









PPS: Im a Liverpool fan

wiped

Originally posted by ButcherOfNog
Because Houllier can't make difficult decisions, like dropping Biscan when Henchoz was fit again, or giving penalty taking to someone whos actually good at it. He pretends its loyalty, but its actually lack of balls on Mr Houlliers part. Last season when the pool lead the league and Dudek started throwing the ball into the net, did he replace him? No he didn't, even tho he'd Kirkland sitting on the bench. That cost the pool the best chance at the championship they had in years. His career at the club is littered with his sidestepping awkward decisions and doing nothing instead.

Sack the frog and end the nightmare, please.

I can't agree more with your evaluation of Houlier .... the man is completely devoid of balls.

SanFranMan

Owen should try his hand in Italy. It would help him meet the potential he showed a few years back.
I dont mind either way if Houllier stays or goes, not having much interest in Liverpool, but isnt there a risk that he has / will lose the confidence of Owen & Gerrard (Kewell hasnt been there long enough to feel the angst they've been through), and end up seriously damaging the short-mid term chances of that club in achieving anything? Surely those guys wont hang around forever, blowing their talents when they could be playing in a top class outfit and competing for the CL.

uberwolf

*ahem*

two goals last night...
and everyone forgets about it the news in full read by...

"Owen has now hit 14 goals in an injury-disrupted season and the two against Pompey made his tally five in the last nine games."

Caked Karen

i know its so pathetic!

suppose its the world of soccer!

hopefully tho its will kick start something for him and liverpool!

at least we managed to beat pompey!!!

jesus_thats_gre

Originally posted by wiped
I can't agree more with your evaluation of Houlier .... the man is completely devoid of balls.

What about making Gerard captain and taking it off Sami? What about selling Fowler? They both took balls.

I still think GH is a tosser but lets keep the random bitching to a minimum!

_blank_

Originally posted by jesus_thats_gre
What about making Gerard captain and taking it off Sami? What about selling Fowler? They both took balls.

I still think GH is a tosser but lets keep the random bitching to a minimum!

Fowler was forced out by Phil Thompson if I recall. That wasn't Houllier's decision.

And Gerard was made captain so he would sign a new contract, he made that decision. "Make me captain or I'm off".

kdevitt

Yep - Fowler was sold when Houllier was still out ill, not that he didn't have a hand in it... Houllier generally ignores anything that requires hard decisions - Hyypia should of had the captaincy stripped off him ages ago, but it was left with him for far too long. Heskey/Diouf/Diao/Traore/Smicer and several others should of been sold a long time ago but Houllier persists with them because he wants us all to be convinced that he knows best - prime example is Owen taking the penalties.

We desperately need a manager who can make those decisions and who isn't afraid of stepping on players toes... Houllier has no bottle at all - he'd be the sort of person who'd split up with a girlfriend by text message!