Ross O' Carroll Kelly

Kinetic^

Sleepy wrote:

For any fans of the series you might be interested to know that RTE have commissioned a pilot for a TV series of ROCK. My flatmate did the sound for it. Whether it gets the go-ahead to become a series or not I've no idea but the pilot has been shot and my flatmate reckoned that it looked like it could be quite good.

Have you got an ETA on this?

Idbatterim

loike oh my god loike relax goys! its not as if i havent been on screen before, remember the scene i shot with emer? as in ill do anything to be famous emer? alroysh so this isnt a porno, but its all the same for a seasoned pro loike myself! cool and the gang plus one!

Sleepy

Fraid not, I don't know if it'll ever even see the light of day.

Have to admit rb_ie, it is a little worrying given that there are already twats out there that think it's cool to immitate Ross. He's an anti-hero you dumb fvcks!

magpie

ROCK is just the latest in a long line of grotesque stereotyping that passes for comedy in this country. Remember that series where the stereotypical northsiders won the lottery and moved in beside the stereotypical richies? Paths to Freedom had the same polarised sterotypes of the urban poor and middle class elite.

All this stuff does is reinforce class barriers and encourage further polarity in society as people start to take on the traits of the stereotypes to distance themselves from the 'others'.

Degsy

Well said.People pretending to be "ross" is about as funny as pretending to be poxy charlo out of 'the family'.Roddy Doyle and his southside counterpart should actually be shot!

Degsy

Idbatterim wrote:

loike oh my god loike relax goys! its not as if i havent been on screen before, remember the scene i shot with emer? as in ill do anything to be famous emer? alroysh so this isnt a porno, but its all the same for a seasoned pro loike myself! cool and the gang plus one!

Sweet jesus will you give it a rest?!

gaf1983

Degsy wrote:

Well said.People pretending to be "ross" is about as funny as pretending to be poxy charlo out of 'the family'.Roddy Doyle and his southside counterpart should actually be shot!

I agree with you about people pretending to be ross not being funny, in the same way that I don't find funny those people that quote the simpsons/tell chuck norris jokes/copy whatever's doing the rounds these days. I just don't think being that unoriginal can be classed as funny.

However I disagree with you about the shooting of Paul Howard and Roddy Doyle. So what if they reinforce stereotypes. They just describe characters who are approximations of/exagerrations of real people they've come across in real life.

Can anyone tell me did the Ross O'Carroll Kelly series from the "A Diary of a School's Rugby Player" that preceded it? I think during the summer the same paper ran a "Diary of a Northsoide Football Fan" series by the same writer.

grumpytrousers

Sleepy wrote:

For any fans of the series you might be interested to know that RTE have commissioned a pilot for a TV series of ROCK. My flatmate did the sound for it. Whether it gets the go-ahead to become a series or not I've no idea but the pilot has been shot and my flatmate reckoned that it looked like it could be quite good.

As somebody who enjoys, nay looks forward to, the column in the Sunday Turbine, I sincerely hope that this never happens. I mean - Sleepy - I hope your pal gets loadsa work and all, but no - the few hundred words every week is enough.

Ross is funny because he's one dimensional. Giving him a second would be careless, and as for a third - making this 'live action - is simply asking for trouble. One dimensional charactars can work on the telly (jeeves and wooster spring to mind) but the source material needs to be right out of the top drawer. With all due respect to Paul Howard, he's no PG Wodehouse!

Degsy

gaf1983 wrote:

I agree with you about people pretending to be ross not being funny, in the same way that I don't find funny those people that quote the simpsons/tell chuck norris jokes/copy whatever's doing the rounds these days. I just don't think being that unoriginal can be classed as funny.

However I disagree with you about the shooting of Paul Howard and Roddy Doyle. So what if they reinforce stereotypes. They just describe characters who are approximations of/exagerrations of real people they've come across in real life.

I suppose what i'm trying to say is that neither Roddy Doyle or Paul Howard have a shred ot talant between them.The books are predictable,formulaic and badly written.They're a form of urban paddywhackery thats about as representative of real life as darby OGill and teh little people.Oh yeah and a nauseating smugness permeates the whole thing.


Can anyone tell me did the Ross O'Carroll Kelly series from the "A Diary of a School's Rugby Player" that preceded it? I think during the summer the same paper ran a "Diary of a Northsoide Football Fan" series by the same writer.

s8n

Pepe LeFrits wrote:

THE POVERTY TRAP!

It's THE BREADLINE !!!!!

rsynnott

It's absolute nauseous rubbish.

Degsy

Pure garbage..a one-trick pony peddling stereotypes and catchphrases to a public starved of talent.

Funkstard

Ah for feck sake it's only a bit of light humour. True there are people in certain schools who are a carbon copy of the character, but they'd be there even if the books didn't exist. All this "increasing the social divide" crap is a bit much.

I find the books absolutely hilarious and uncannily true to life at points, but it is getting a bit long in the tooth. The last book I only read once, whereas the previous ones I've read them over and over because you can start anywhere and pick up what's happening.

rsynnott

Funkstard wrote:

Ah for feck sake it's only a bit of light humour. True there are people in certain schools who are a carbon copy of the character, but they'd be there even if the books didn't exist.

Are there really, tho? Urgh.

Hermione*

melekalikimaka wrote:

its pronounced SORE - KA

One of the things that annoy me most about RO'CK; the name Sorcha is supposed to be pronouced Sor-a-cha. That's the way it's pronounced in the Gaeltacht, and they're probably more authorative than Dubliners who aren't even able to communicate in Irish.

The columns are getting tired though, it used to be so much sharper.

rsynnott

jonny68 wrote:

I would hardly classify the Irish Times as a rag now would you :rolleyes:

They published the amazing line "(some alternative therapy) can be explained through quantum theory" the other day. Ergo, they are a rag. Never been too impressed with them in general, to be honest.

Tony Danza

rsynnott wrote:

Are there really, tho? Urgh.

Yes.

rsynnott wrote:

They published the amazing line "(some alternative therapy) can be explained through quantum theory" the other day. Ergo, they are a rag. Never been too impressed with them in general, to be honest.

No way can you consider the Irish Times a rag paper.

Funkstard

You wouldn't believe some of the people who attend private schools in south Dublin. You just wouldn't believe.

anonymous_joe

Funk speaks the truth.

The whole ROCK thing was great a few years ago, since then it has lost its satirical edge, and now trots out the same old tosh each and every week.

His original rugby career, where he got to the final lost, failed his leaving, returned, triumphed, was absolutely fantastic. Really funny. Since then, downhill.

Attol

Hermione* wrote:

One of the things that annoy me most about RO'CK; the name Sorcha is supposed to be pronouced Sor-a-cha. That's the way it's pronounced in the Gaeltacht, and they're probably more authorative than Dubliners who aren't even able to communicate in Irish.

The columns are getting tired though, it used to be so much sharper.

But this is based in south Dublin so would be pronounced in that silly D4 way I guess, rather than the proper traditional Irish way.

Funkstard

Being D4 it's only right that it's pronounced "Sawrsha"

Father Stone

Ross O'Carroll Kelly books are legendary!

Tchaikovsky

3 year old thread alert!

Abi

ROCK! ROCK! ROCK!

Legendary indeed. Just got mai new copy :pac:

RHunce

ross o carroll kelly your books are focking ledge!!

phasers

Father Stone, are you on a thread reviving binge?

The latest Ross O'Carroll Kelly made me die a bit inside. It was so depressing...

chughes

I enjoyed the latest one. I've read all the previous books and the latest one helps to put a lot of things in perspective.

yerayeah

Haven't read the latest one yet.

I love the man.

Even though I'm a muck savage...

Abi

yerayeah wrote: »

Haven't read the latest one yet.

I love the man.

Even though I'm a muck savage...

The goys a total legend :pac: I've only started, but so far so good cabbage muncher

chughes

Abigayle wrote: »

The goys a total legend :pac: I've only started, but so far so good cabbage muncher

Abigayle, you seem to be a big fan of RO'CK. Did he by any chance take any CDs from your bedroom at some stage ?

Father Stone

phasers wrote: »

Father Stone, are you on a thread reviving binge?

The latest Ross O'Carroll Kelly made me die a bit inside. It was so depressing...

Just not used to this forum!

Abi

chughes wrote: »

Abigayle, you seem to be a big fan of RO'CK. Did he by any chance take any CDs from your bedroom at some stage ?

lmfao.. no, but I wouldnt mind a shot at the title

yerayeah

Abigayle wrote: »

The goys a total legend :pac: I've only started, but so far so good cabbage muncher

Sure, begoth and begorrah there be a bit of a watchamacallit language barrier but sur there's not a ting I can do about that at all at all...

Shanotheslayer

Tried to read his book and realized I had to read them with a southsider accent in my mind. Would rather watch paint dry or even Big Brother then read them.

MIN2511

the dude is classic!!!
Read the last book, watched the play, definitely gonna read the new one...

Dude is awesome!

Abi

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Tried to read his book and realized I had to read them with a southsider accent in my mind. Would rather watch paint dry or even Big Brother then read them.

Can I offer a little constructive advice? Have a read up on the author Paul Howard first, I think understanding him and his view points really help before you dive right into the books. I dont mean to be presume, but if his books were written with a NS view point, you would definitely enjoy his umm.. escapades The goy lad compares any woman he sees to some celeb or other and its funny stuff.

Then try again

themont85

I enjoyed the books at first and stil find them decent enough, Howard is a decent enough writer and has developed the characters a little bit from just being a viscous ''stereotype'' to actual human beings. I went to a rugby southside school when this first appeared and it was all the talk. I think a reason it was popular was that it talked about everything we actually did back then-Wesley then Annabels, UCD, rugby, Donnybrook ect. And it all was completely exagerrated but still funny. I have the original print of the book before they re-released it and its painful to get through. If you think the current ones the use of roysh ect to much then that takes the biscuit, using the American Physcho descriptions of people to full effect.

A few things annoy me about Howard though. He contradicts himself a lot in the books which is annoying. Also for all the effort he puts in to actually making the books not just completely stereotyped, in every interview he comes out with all the tired old cliches about south Dublin, he has seriousely milked that cow enough already tbh. Its gotten to the stage where he is probably a millionaire due to the books, if it was in a country larger than Ireland a movie would be made about the books. Finally, Howard does or used to drive a black Golf GTI apparently, for all his abuse of the southside scene its ironic that he himself bought the very wagon he slags continuosely.

yerayeah

It's surely a weeny bit harsh to hold driving a Golf against him!

Babbit

I've only read one of the books (And I disliked it so much I forget which one it was - maybe the mocha something years? Dunno.) and some of his comments in the Tribune.

I'll say about the man:

Boring.

People who don't read, read Ross O Carrol Kelly. People who want to feel better about being irritating D4 types read O Carrol Kelly 'to be so, like, self deprecating'.

He is an empty formula, knocked out constantly, with little variety, and with boring and repetitive gags and 'satire/parody'. In 10 years time he will be forgotten by all but a few who might still keep a copy lying about to remind themselves of the good old years of the Celtic Tiger. Other than that he is a typical manifestation of the dead intellect of late 20th and early 21st century Ireland.

Sleepy

themont85 wrote: »

if it was in a country larger than Ireland a movie would be made about the books.

RTE definitely commissioned a pilot for a tv-series but I don't know if anything came of it...

themont85

Babbit wrote: »

I've only read one of the books (And I disliked it so much I forget which one it was - maybe the mocha something years? Dunno.) and some of his comments in the Tribune.

I'll say about the man:

Boring.

People who don't read, read Ross O Carrol Kelly. People who want to feel better about being irritating D4 types read O Carrol Kelly 'to be so, like, self deprecating'.

He is an empty formula, knocked out constantly, with little variety, and with boring and repetitive gags and 'satire/parody'. In 10 years time he will be forgotten by all but a few who might still keep a copy lying about to remind themselves of the good old years of the Celtic Tiger. Other than that he is a typical manifestation of the dead intellect of late 20th and early 21st century Ireland.

Incorrect, I read plenty of books and did quite well at English in the Leaving Cert and studied it at college. Take your ''up your own arse'' attitude to books to people who actually give a damn.

bronte

A friend gave me Orange mocha chip, and I cried laughing reading it. Goys it's loike totally brill roysh!

Babbit

themont85 wrote: »

Incorrect, I read plenty of books and did quite well at English in the Leaving Cert and studied it at college. Take your ''up your own arse'' attitude to books to people who actually give a damn.

Don't be so touchy. Obviously there are exceptions but among the people I know that is the case.

Abi

Okay. Well (honestly) not bitching.. but throw the spell check over that whole post

themont85 wrote: »

I have the original print of the book before they re-released it and its painful to get through. If you think the current ones the use of roysh ect to much then that takes the biscuit, using the American Physcho descriptions of people to full effect.

That is what editors are for

A few things annoy me about Howard though. He contradicts himself a lot in the books which is annoying.

Any examples for me?

Also for all the effort he puts in to actually making the books not just completely stereotyped, in every interview he comes out with all the tired old cliches about south Dublin, he has seriousely milked that cow enough already tbh. Its gotten to the stage where he is probably a millionaire due to the books

That is what most authors hope for

if it was in a country larger than Ireland a movie would be made about the books.

That is actually a good idea, hope he takes that one on board

Finally, Howard does or used to drive a black Golf GTI apparently, for all his abuse of the southside scene its ironic that he himself bought the very wagon he slags continuosely.

Why would you attach a particular car to the S/side? They are everywhere because of their reliability. Everybody knows that VW's are built like tanks, and have a slow depreciation rate. Thats not S/side snobbery, that would be common sense

bronte

Babbit wrote: »

People who don't read, read Ross O Carrol Kelly.

Er no...I read plenty. If I haven't a script in my hands, there's a novel or something else. I love reading. It's just some of us like a little light entertainment during breaks from reading War and Peace.

yerayeah

Babbit wrote: »

Don't be so touchy. Obviously there are exceptions but among the people I know that is the case.

Your original comment was a wild generalisation...

Abi

You couldn't force me to choose which of the books I love the most. But one that does stick out in my mind a lot is "The curious incident of the dog in the nightdress". Trying to explain what I was laughing at to anyone around me was impossible by just reading out a paragraph.

bronte wrote: »

A friend gave me Orange mocha chip, and I cried laughing reading it. Goys it's loike totally brill roysh!

No surprises finding me in here then

bronte

Abigayle wrote: »

You couldn't force me to choose which of the books I love the most. But one that does stick out in my mind a lot is "The curious incident of the dog in the nightdress". Trying to explain what I was laughing at to anyone around me was impossible by just reading out a paragraph.



No surprises finding me in here then

Lol..I went out and bought the whole lot after that...kept me entertained a few weeks...fun times.
I tend to read before bed, and my folks got mighty fed up of being woken up by laughter :pac:

Zebra3

Some people just don't "get" the Rosser books.

In a lot of cases they don't realise when the author is actually taking the piss out of the charcters when they think they're meant to laugh with them.

A bit like watching "The Office" and thinking it's actually real.

themont85

Abigayle wrote: »

Okay. Well (honestly) not bitching.. but throw the spell check over that whole post

I'm just in from a pub related outing, excuse the spelling.

Abigayle wrote: »

That is what editors are for

I know but I was just mentioning it. I have the original book(only a few hundred printed, might be worth something some day ha) which was only edited insofar as each column was in the Tribune. This would be a typical paragraph for example;

''The goys and I head to Eddies in Stilliorgan, we're talking me, Christian and JP. After five minutes, in comes Sorcha, roysh. Her hair is tied back in a scrunchy, roysh. She's wearing a pink aertex, collars up of course, roysh...''

Literally every character introduced like that, 'roysh' in every sentance. Tbh I don't know how I stuck through it. I'm delighted he ditched that after a couple of years.

Abigayle wrote: »

Any examples for me?

In the first book, the captain of their team(a pretty big character) is supposed to be a chap repeating his Leaving Cert for the 4th or 5th time just to win the cup(people do actually do this, maybe not 4 or 5 times though). However, in pretty much every book for the last while, that character has been erased from history. Instead its said that Ross captained the team which he definately didn't in the first book. There are plenty of other things but I don't want to go on and on.

Abigayle wrote: »

That is what most authors hope for

I'm not begrudging him making top money, what annoys me is that his interviews are always the exact same. Even though the books actually have a little depth to them, he just comes out and says stuff like ''Roysh''(expecting everybody to laugh at this 'funny' word which he has used repeatedly for 10 years) and describes his experiences at Leinster schools rugby games even though the character in the book is now almost 30 and that 'chapter' of his life isn't the main deal anymore. Talk about the book, not the damn stereotypes.

Abigayle wrote: »

Why would you attach a particular car to the S/side? They are everywhere because of their reliability. Everybody knows that VW's are built like tanks, and have a slow depreciation rate. Thats not S/side snobbery, that would be common sense

Becasue he uses that car as a stick to beat down his main character. Read the books again. The black GTI with alloys is completely stereotyped in the books and by Howard in interviews, just annoys me.