Better you than me!

sovtek

Rumsfeld really is convincing here. I didn't know wether to laugh or cry for the senile old ****.

"We now have 200,000 Iraqi security forces that are out there providing security in their country and, frankly, being killed themselves. There have been more Iraqi security forces killed in the last four, five or six months than coalition forces." - Rumsfeld on "Late Edition"

What a great indication of stability in Iraq.
Instead of US miltary getting killed, it's underpaid Iraqi's by their own countrymen.

DadaKopf

Plays well in the sticks, though.

What demographic are they targetting now, eh, those 'NASCAR dads'.

Sand

What was the context? If he was attempting to answer the belief that its only coalition forces who are fighting the terrorists then hed be justified in reminding people that the Iraqis are taking over a lot of the fight against the terrorists.

It also helpfuly undermines the simplistic assertions that the terrorism Iraq is experiencing are Iraqis fighting for Iraqis. The terrorists are as much enemies of the Iraqis as they are of the coalition.

bonkey

Originally posted by sovtek
Instead of US miltary getting killed, it's underpaid Iraqi's by their own countrymen.

We will fight them abroad so that we don't have to fight them at home.

You didn't really think it was an empty catch-phrase meaning only "if we do this they won't bomb our buildings any more", did you?

jc

bonkey

Originally posted by Sand
It also helpfuly undermines the simplistic assertions that the terrorism Iraq is experiencing are Iraqis fighting for Iraqis. The terrorists are as much enemies of the Iraqis as they are of the coalition.

Surely what you mean is that they are as much enemies of hte Iraqi's who want the future the coalition is offering them as they are of the coalition.

After all, in the course obtaining our independance from Britain, the Irish undertook a policy of dealing with collaborators as well.

And besides....what was that Bush said - "you are either with us or against us". Can the Iraqi's who don't want the US there not apply the same logic? That those who are helping the US are clearly against them and their vision for Iraq?

Personally, I hope they never succeed, but thats because I don't share their vision....but I find their actions are not at all inconsistent with any loyalty to their Iraq that they may have.



jc

sovtek

Originally posted by Sand
It also helpfuly undermines the simplistic assertions that the terrorism Iraq is experiencing are Iraqis fighting for Iraqis. The terrorists are as much enemies of the Iraqis as they are of the coalition.

So if someone fights an occupation, as well as their collaborators, then they are terrorists?
Orwell we're glad we knew ye.

sovtek

Originally posted by Sand
What was the context?

Summarily the answer Rumsfeld gave was in response to the question "are things really getting better".