Why i don't like CTYI (not the forum... the place)

Crash

Bungalow Bill: i would agree with you about the 50% performance being a proper test, but the composing piece is quite easy to learn off by rote. i've seen it done a lot recently and the course rarely varies to the point where, if you've covered it all by heart, that you will not be able to get very high marks.

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Originally posted by lordsippa
When I first went to CTYI it was to learn more (although I did a creative writing course so make your own conclusions). The next year it was simply to have a laugh with all those kerrrazy kids.

The man is right. Most people I've seen planning to go to CTYI for the first time, as well as myself, went for the learning. Even the ones who knew the story re the amount of dedication to coursework at CTYI. Then, of course, we wised up.

It was grand, and the people there were for the most part friendly, which is as good as you're going to get in any gathering of human beings. One intimidating aspect for the vocational-community school attendees like myself is the amount of CTYIers from the good secondary schools, which can plunge you into a different social situation from one to which you'd be accustomed at school. But such is life.

As Mutant_Fruit said, there's a difference between knowledge, aptitude and intelligence, and that can show. But the course does seem quite successful in bringing together people with similar interests, and in my opinion it can do no more good than that, especially when those interests may be uncommon among teenagers in general. That's not élitism, that's just human nature.

SOL

Actually you aren't required to play a musical instrument (or sing or produce any musical sounds personally) for leaving certificate music, and no its not worth 50% unless you select that choice, you can learn it off alternatively you can have musical talent and do it to get an A2 without doing anything, and no the department don't know very much about music, but that really doesn't matter its the leaving cert not a PHD.

Also go Fio, I would like to point out that anyone who actually has an I'm smarter than you arguement is either A) being entirely childish and will stop and acknowledge this soon after or insecure or C) Stupid for an imperceivable number of reasons,

As for trinity, its not that obvious is it

tibilt

ctyi is the way the world should be. it's not perfect, but the world wouldn't work if it were. it's not full of geniuses - but it's not full of idiots either. its not full of elitists, but it does imbue those who go there with a certain sense of pride in themselves that is usually denied otherwise. its just a place full of good and bad points. good and bad people. like everywhere else. except that in ctyi people can be themselves. and for some reason that creates a kind of harmony within it. most who went to ctyi will tell you they felt like they belonged there, and that forges a bond of sorts amongst those who have attended. but that doesn't mean that those who didnt go dont belong, it just means you can't understand the feeling of it. and it is just a feeling. something about the place that makes everyone friendly, in their own quirky ways. because for some reason, when everyone is themselves, we all get along.







also, human beings are a bane and curse on this planet, intelligent or otherwise. we dont deserve to live here, and we are destroying the world by our mere presence. so since we're not going to do anything about that(me included), let's all just f*cking get along. that goes for this thread(my arrogant opinion)too. ctyi is just how it should be.

lordsippa

Hrmm... Ok, my FINAL ACTUAL POINT ON THIS TOPIC is that CTYI was just fun. Ok it helped bring a lot of nerds (me included) out of their shells and make them socialise but if it hadn't, age or college would probably have. It's not some incredible life altering thing. It's just that little bit more special than the gaeltacht cause there were less wankers there. It was special in the "those were the days" kinda way... But let's face it, unless it was a complete nightmare, most people feel that way about their youth and even last year. I mean look at the state of things nowadays.

So there. That's it. That's my view. Argument over. Nobody else needs to express an opinion. Sven has spoken. Case closed...

<troll> :ninja:

tibilt

altered my life

Stephen Forde

I think the guy who started this thread is a bit pompus. Y wud u care much for their opinions of ur supposedly dumb friends. Y man Y?If ur so much intellectually better than them y wud and inferior minds opinion matter to u. Y didnt u ever try the exam for ctyi if ur so great and jealous of ur friends. People can get in if they want alright. But hey not any person from the street can get in really. I myself am not a particularly good student but i got in cos i excel at maths. Does that make me dimwitted cos i dont get all A's in my exams like sum of the ctyi sound nerds.Ive so much more to say i cant think of any now tho. ill post again after finishing reading all the rest of others opinions.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stephen Forde

Also i personally dont tell my friends and boast about it cosi dont like the idea of boasting about it. I just tell my friends i go to irish college! I dont like the idea of my friends thinking im all smart and stuff.I just hate it. AAh im just annoying my self going on. Grrr ill stop now...

NeoSlicerZ

I feel that CTYI is a place where people can be a lot more immature than they usually are... (you know who ye are) since there really isn't any "accepted" standards where if you cross over them you're ostracized.

As regards to intelligence, i've often wondered how the hell exactly a particular person ever managed to get into CTYI. Even Dermo got into CTYI.. and he's in Trinity now!

The Leaving Cert as a whole is at the end a test of memory. Intelligence is often required for some subjects such as Physics where an understanding of the subject material lends to easier retention. Though it can be argued that if you're not smart and are doing Applied Maths, yer f<b></b>ucked.

Someone mentioned English above, there is indeed a lot of learning in English. The format of your answers is the most important. Making the points, supporting them with adequate information. Making sure that everything's clear, concise, relavent and factual. As for Paper 1, i do agree that some people have more of a flair for writing essays or what not more than others, but I feel that this is creativity not intelligence.

In summary, CTYI's entrance exams cannot be compared to the Leaving Cert in any way. The SATs are exactly what they say they are; aptitude tests. Whereas the LC is a test of how knowledgable you are. Yes there are a few "elitests" in CTYI who look down at other people but on the whole most of the people at CTYI are normal people (who act quite immaturely at times)

incredula pert

I agree Stpehen..Like, why are you on this website..? and, jesus, if you think that we think that we're all better than you..why are you posting?

Crash

First of all, stephen dont drag up old posts - this is quite an old thread.

secondly in case you lot havent noticed there are lots of boards on boards.ie so you do get some people who havent been on CTYI posting in here - live with it.


Neil.

Jarge!!!

I'm gonna have to agree with Corky here... it seems just a leetle confrontational to go to a place where you're guaranteed to find people who are well disposed towards CTYI and then say, essentially, 'You're a bunch of elitist snobs and your Summer Camp is a sham of a mockery of a farce'.

Besides, accurate self assessment of the truly gifted can appear to be arrogance to the untrained eye. So there.

Raphael

Just stop posting in the thread and let it die, this guy was obviously trolling and is now long gone

Rezmuter Duane

I'd just like to point out that the person who posted this thread comes from a minefield off the coast of Africa. And thats about as far out as his description of CTYI.

Crash

right, in an effort to let this thread die as it did LONG LONG ago - Locked.