News you won't hear on BBC : Ethnic cleansing by Albanians in Kosovo

Lear · 21-03-2004 8:12pm #1

Albanians Muslims burning Serbian Churches; burning Serbian houses; killing Serbs: Thank you Bill Clinton, Jacques Chirac and European allies

The bombing of Serbian civilian populations and infrastructure was done why?

As far as I can tell five years after the European/American interference with a totally domestic dispute, all we did was to change who was killing who to enable Albanian extremists to murder Serbs.

Kosovo was a UNILATERAL military action (as is currently defined by mosts leftists), there was no UN resolution approving the invasion of Kosovo and Albanians provide safe havens for al Qaeda terrorist training camps, and the KLA is linked to Osama bin Laden. (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO110A.html)

Obviously, Kosovo is an ethnic quagmire created in an effort to oust a democratically elected leader in a non-international issue -- all based upon the shameless lie of those Hundreds of Thousands of Mass Graves that were never found.

Comments anyone?

Oh yes, before anyone goes into a fit about how Kosovo was unjustly occupied by the Serbs, I would remind them of these FACTS:

1. Kosovo has been part of greater Serbia since the 12th century

See: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/docs/980600-kosovo-cia.htm

2. Albanians became a substantial part of the ethnic makeup during WWII by order of Adolf Hitler. The Serbs were tough adversaries and the Albanians were willing to wear the NAZI uniform without hesitation.

See: http://www.didyouknow.cd/story/kosovo.htm

See also: http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/thompson/rootsof.htm.

3. In 1999, Albanian terrorists (the KLA) were attempting to take Kosovo from Serbia and integrate it with Albania.

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/kla.htm

4. The accusations of genocide that we were told about by the European leadership were found to be false.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1530781.stm

By the way, while there were some "mass graves" of Albanian civilians, some were apparently Albanian militia -- antd the total (Please correct me if I am mistaken) was less than 2,000. (http://www.insightmag.com/news/1999/12/06/FairComment/Was-Serbian.genocide.In.Kosovo.Just.Propaganda.To.Start.An.Air.War-215573.shtml)That's not even a good week for Saddam Hussein, who killed over a million people in his 25 year reign.

Oh, yes, NATO bombing apparently (correct me if I'm wrong) killed almost as many, if not more, people than did the Serb armies.

5. The Serbs were fighting terrorists.

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/kla.htm

jesus_thats_gre · 21-03-2004 8:15pm

WTF?

SkepticOne · 22-03-2004 2:38am

From the BBC site
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3551571.stm

Nato troops are out in force in the flashpoint town of Mitrovica
The Nato commander in overall charge of Kosovo has likened the recent violence in the province - in which at least 28 people have died - to ethnic cleansing.

It is not really surprising. Ethnic cleansing was not just carried out by Serbs in the Balkan conflicts. For example, the Croats kicked out large numbers of Serbs out of Croatia after they had gained independence.

sceptre · 22-03-2004 3:23am

Originally posted by Lear
News you won't hear on BBC : Ethnic cleansing by Albanians in Kosovo

The BBC ran a big story about it yesterday on their webpage.

Link

And they ran one the day before

Link

1. Kosovo has been part of greater Serbia since the 12th century

Prima facie similarity between Ireland and the UK with Kosovo and Serbia then. Or at least there would have been if we hadn't done the looking for independence thing. What were the Albanians in Kosovo doing before 1100AD?

Lear · 22-03-2004 3:44am

Originally posted by sceptre
The BBC ran a big story about it yesterday on their webpage.

Thank you. I'm obviously in error. I listen to the BBC broadcast online every day, but have heard nothing.

I first heard of the trouble from a US news source last Wed.

... What were the Albanians in Kosovo doing before 1100AD?

FYI: Kosovo was dominated by Celts, Croatians, Slovenians, and Serbians before 1100AD. I've never heard of any substantial number of Albanians (or their ethnic predecessors, the Illyrians) living in Kosovo.

gurramok · 22-03-2004 1:01pm

Originally posted by Lear
FYI: Kosovo was dominated by Celts, Croatians, Slovenians, and Serbians before 1100AD. I've never heard of any substantial number of Albanians (or their ethnic predecessors, the Illyrians) living in Kosovo.

So what ?

Why display such hatred of an ethnic group on boards ???

What matters is who lives there now and the desires of the native population whether they be serb or albanian.

Would you apply your historic logic to ireland, like in like who settled first before people of the unionist persuasion came along ?

there was no UN resolution approving the invasion of Kosovo and Albanians provide safe havens for al Qaeda terrorist training camps, and the KLA is linked to Osama bin Laden

Yes, lets label any freedom fighters whether justified or not to al-qaeda, how convenient. :rolleyes:

sovtek · 22-03-2004 3:20pm

Originally posted by gurramok
Yes, lets label any freedom fighters whether justified or not to al-qaeda, how convenient. :rolleyes:

And like Bin Laden they had support from the US as well as being the source for some false allegations of Serb ethnic cleansing. Oh and it increased after the bombing of Yugoslavia.

Lear · 23-03-2004 11:46pm

Originally posted by gurramok
So what ?

Just replying to a question

Why display such hatred of an ethnic group on boards ???

I display no hate on this board. Whatever you're smoking, pass me some.

What matters is who lives there now and the desires of the native population whether they be serb or albanian.

You miss the point. Where is the outrage on Kosovo? What purpose did the unilateral war on the Serbs serve?

Would you apply your historic logic to ireland, like in like who settled first before people of the unionist persuasion came along ?

IMy point is that there is no ancient claim that the Albanians might make against Kosovo. That's it.

Yes, lets label any freedom fighters whether justified or not to al-qaeda, how convenient. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]

Lear · 23-03-2004 11:48pm

Originally posted by sovtek
And like Bin Laden they had support from the US as well as being the source for some false allegations of Serb ethnic cleansing. Oh and it increased after the bombing of Yugoslavia.

Sovtek, the US has never supported OBL, but that doesn't stop the moron aplenty in Europe from asserting such.

Zombrex · 24-03-2004 1:21am

Originally posted by Lear
You miss the point. Where is the outrage on Kosovo? What purpose did the unilateral war on the Serbs serve?

Er, I think you will find there was quite a large outrage over Kosovo, mainly from the left, about how America gave pretty much unconditional support to the KLA, that lead to an inital peace proposal that was unworkable, and ultimitely lead to war.

There was war crime committed on both sides (you seem to be on the side of the Serbs) and it was basically a big mess.

But the NATO alliance like to view things as black and white, (as do some on boards.ie) and once they pick a side they tend to give their full support to that side, no matter what they are actually doing. Another example would be Israel and Americans almost illogical support for the state.

sovtek · 24-03-2004 2:18pm

Originally posted by Lear
Sovtek, the US has never supported OBL, but that doesn't stop the moron aplenty in Europe from asserting such.

Did they hand over cash directly to him...no
Did they train and support the mujahideen knowing full well that they were radical islamic fundamentalist and brutal bastards...yes.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html

sceptre · 24-03-2004 4:08pm

I get the feeling that the connections between Al-Qaeda and the KLA might have prompted the original post. There's an axe grinding somewhere. Obviously a distinction has to be drawn between the common folk who just happen to be of Albanian descent and the members of a militant organisation that happens to be made up of people of Albanian descent. In other words, consider the case of the people on its own merits rather than tarring all Kosovar Albanians with the same brush. We do it with the nationalist (and loyalist) communities in northern Ireland, we do it with the Basques, so why shouldn't we do it here?

(given that Lear has been banned I'm saying that to an empty room but I'll say it anyway)

chill · 24-03-2004 4:42pm

Jeeez let's pray that we never let Serbia into the EU. We can do without such a nazi infested little enclave.

Armaugh · 24-03-2004 5:59pm

Originally posted by sovtek
Did they hand over cash directly to him...no
Did they train and support the mujahideen knowing full well that they were radical islamic fundamentalist and brutal bastards...yes.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html

You just proved Lear right, sovtek. He asked for you to prove that the US supported Usama. You just changed the subject with another accusation. And don't forget that the Mujahideen were fighting against an invasion of Soviet soldiers that toppled their government, tortured their population and set land-mines down by the tens of thousands for children to find. Debate should be a process about truth, not about being a hateful knob towards the one country for helping anouther country oust an invading army.

Armaugh · 24-03-2004 6:03pm

Originally posted by Wicknight
Er, I think you will find there was quite a large outrage over Kosovo, mainly from the left, about how America gave pretty much unconditional support to the KLA.

Respectfully, lad, the Americans never unconditional supported the KLA, and the protest in the US came exclusively from the political right. I never heard a peep about protest in the EU so I suspect the converse is true.

Zombrex · 24-03-2004 7:55pm

Originally posted by Armaugh
Respectfully, lad, the Americans never unconditional supported the KLA, and the protest in the US came exclusively from the political right. I never heard a peep about protest in the EU so I suspect the converse is true.

Respectfully, lad, I would ask you not to be so sarcastic on a subject you admit you know very little about.

Try maybe educating yourself on Google before you post next time :rolleyes:

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9903/28/kosovo.protests/
http://www.carolmoore.net/photos/balkans-photos.html
http://www.sinkers.org/kosovo-demoApr0799/

I could go on but it would be easier if you just did it first before posting.

There were a load of left wing ( Anmesty, Greenparty, Socialists) anti-war protests and anti-war calls against the Kosovo war, so much so that pro-war activities took great pleasure in denouncing them as cowards once the bombing had started (remind anyone of Iraq, no?). There was also great concern at the time that the US seemed to be pretty much throwing all their support behind the rather dubious organisation know at the KLA. And we all know how that turned out
:dunno:

Sparks · 24-03-2004 8:06pm

Originally posted by Armaugh
You just proved Lear right, sovtek.

No, he proved him incorrect by providing one of the links between the US and Osama.

Zombrex · 24-03-2004 8:21pm

Originally posted by Armaugh
You just proved Lear right, sovtek. He asked for you to prove that the US supported Usama.

It all depends on what you mean supported

Did the US support OBL when he was fighting the Soviets - Yes

Did the US support OBL when he was blowing up American embassies - No (of course not)

sovtek · 24-03-2004 8:22pm

Originally posted by Armaugh
You just proved Lear right, sovtek. He asked for you to prove that the US supported Usama. You just changed the subject with another accusation. And don't forget that the Mujahideen were fighting against an invasion of Soviet soldiers that toppled their government, tortured their population and set land-mines down by the tens of thousands for children to find. Debate should be a process about truth, not about being a hateful knob towards the one country for helping anouther country oust an invading army.

I don't see how providing a link to information showing how the CIA gave money to the mujahideen, of which Bin Laden was a member proves Lear right that the US "never supported Bin Laden"!
I'd think it suggests the opposite.
And I'm quite aware of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
That doesn't excuse their actions, especially considering that they wanted the Soviets to invade
Also considering there was a moderate alternative that they choose not to support in the form of Abdul Haq, who was also Afghan . But as with most CIA interventions they end up with alot of dead people and more justified hatred of the US.

bonkey · 24-03-2004 8:40pm

Originally posted by sovtek
And I'm quite aware of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

Which occurred after the US started funding the mujahadeen, which makes it a bit of a moot point anyway.

jc

MeatProduct · 24-03-2004 8:57pm

Originally posted by bonkey
Which occurred after the US started funding the mujahadeen, which makes it a bit of a moot point anyway.

jc

As Bonkey said, it was after and if memory serves it was some six months after. It's those annoying little details that can destroy an argument.

Nick

sovtek · 24-03-2004 9:19pm

Originally posted by MeatProduct
As Bonkey said, it was after and if memory serves it was some six months after. It's those annoying little details that can destroy an argument.

Nick

How vacuous.

gandalf · 24-03-2004 11:19pm

Just for those that complained, Armaugh is Lear again and he has now been banned again. Just in case you thought we hadn't reacted

Gandalf.