If you don't like group stages in champ league, then close your eyes now!

smiaras

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TwoShedsJackson

Doesn't sound like the CL teams could fit in anywhere really - nor should they, it's bloody stupid teams being dumped out of one competition going into another.

Johnny_the_fox

could be good for the smaller teams (for example: ireland ) if they manage to get into the first round...

The only thing I dislike about the group format ... its that top clubs get seeded... I think it should be an open draw.. <but clubs from the same country cant play each other... until the knock out>

Big Ears

While it may be good for irish teams finacially ,if they get into the first round, theres a good chance with a 5 team group that they wouldnt get through . (well i suppose there would be 2 teams getting through each group so maybe not as bad as i had though .)

NightStrike

Kinda off topic but I think its time they renamed the champions league.

First of all its not a league, it has a group stage yeah but its a cup. Similar format to the World Cup, they don't call that the world league do they!?

And also its not the Champions League! Arsenal and Chelsea meet on Wednesday but neither of them are Champions. I'm not begrudging them their place but technically Shelbourne have more right to be there than them.

TheC0CK

Originally posted by NightStrike
Kinda off topic but I think its time they renamed the champions league.

First of all its not a league, it has a group stage yeah but its a cup. Similar format to the World Cup, they don't call that the world league do they!?

And also its not the Champions League! Arsenal and Chelsea meet on Wednesday but neither of them are Champions. I'm not begrudging them their place but technically Shelbourne have more right to be there than them.

Good point, I agree.

TwoShedsJackson

Originally posted by NightStrike
Kinda off topic but I think its time they renamed the champions league.

First of all its not a league, it has a group stage yeah but its a cup. Similar format to the World Cup, they don't call that the world league do they!?

And also its not the Champions League! Arsenal and Chelsea meet on Wednesday but neither of them are Champions. I'm not begrudging them their place but technically Shelbourne have more right to be there than them.

Aren't you a Manchester Utd fan NightStrike?? United weren't champions the previous season when they won the Champions League in 98/99 so are you going to write off that trophy?

Genghis

I think his point is that the name is incorrect, not the qualification procedure. I agree.

Oswald Osbourne

Originally posted by NightStrike
Kinda off topic but I think its time they renamed the champions league.

First of all its not a league, it has a group stage yeah but its a cup. Similar format to the World Cup, they don't call that the world league do they!?

Look up the actual definition of LEAGUE - it's more connected to the idea of 'association' rather than a large group of teams playing in a round-robin system.

What you're talking about is league TABLES and as such the term champions 'league' is still quite valid.

Originally posted by NightStrike
And also its not the Champions League! Arsenal and Chelsea meet on Wednesday but neither of them are Champions. I'm not begrudging them their place but technically Shelbourne have more right to be there than them.

I agree with you about the 'champions' part tho. Perhaps they should name it the 'merchandise league' or something equally noble.

The Muppet

Originally posted by NightStrike


And also its not the Champions League! Arsenal and Chelsea meet on Wednesday but neither of them are Champions. I'm not begrudging them their place but technically Shelbourne have more right to be there than them.

I disagree with you . The best teams from each league in Europe compete and the winner are crowned the champions of Europe. Adding the second and third teams from the strongest leagues has made it a better competition and harder to win so truly making it the champions league with all the best teams competing against each other.

NightStrike

Aren't you a Manchester Utd fan NightStrike?? United weren't champions the previous season when they won the Champions League in 98/99 so are you going to write off that trophy?

No but like I said I'm not begrudging anyone their place in the competition, all I'm saying is the name doesn't fit with me...
Neither Arsenal or Chelsea are Premiership champions but I'd love to see either of them lift the cup in May

I disagree with you . The best teams from each league in Europe compete and the winner are crowned the champions of Europe. Adding the second and third teams from the strongest leagues has made it a better competition and harder to win so truly making it the champions league with all the best teams competing against each other.

Undoubtedly having the better teams in there makes it a better competition and I support that but the idea of the name "Champions League" came about not because the team who won were called the Champions of Europe but because it would contain the champions of each nation to decide the ultimate champion so to speak. This no longer applies however.

The Muppet

was it not called the European Cup when only the winners of each league played. I can't remember when it changed to the Champions league and if The second place teams were allowed in but it was fairly recently..