Best Tune for steamrollering Charlie to

regeneration

Ummmm hello, desert combat?

Gerry

The whole gulf war thing hasn't been going on very long compared to vietnam, but it is starting to resemble it. You are correct in pointing it out though, I was just pissed off by the talk about hendrix.

satchmo

Well to be fair I doubt any of the artists that did end up on the soundtrack were pro-war...

Woden

and its only a game at the end of the day, sure there must be loads of vietnam war sims out there a lot more realistic then bf, like vietcong and such.

regeneration

True, but for many years, the Vietnam war was taboo for a lot of Americans, and still is; the whole "you weren't there man" psycho vietnam vet is lampooned lots, but this generation's dads are the ones that went to war there.
It was a nasty war, and by the games own admission, wasn't a clear good vs. bad war.

Woden

i thought the game dealt with it well, the loading screens aren't massive american propaganada imo but more balanced and i like em

Instant Karma

Originally posted by Jazz
Well to be fair I doubt any of the artists that did end up on the soundtrack were pro-war...

yea have you listened to the lyrics of CCR - fortunate son? and that made bfv...

and too soon after the war? are you kidding, by that arguement there should have been no bf42 because that war caused a lot more destruction and the holocaust is still taboo...and definately no DC as its still going on.

timeout

Don't know the name of the song, it's the one from toy soldiers, "war!, what is it good for?"

Driving down the road in the tank, listening to this & letting off shots at anything that moves in the grass, it just makes me fell like joker in Full Metal Jacket wearing the peace symbol in his helmet

magpie

I think in fairness its more likely to be Hendrix's greedy no-good adopted half sister who now owns the rights to his music wanting to charge too much....

regeneration

Im sure that EA can afford any licence fee it'll need to pay fairness...

and too soon after the war? are you kidding, by that arguement there should have been no bf42 because that war caused a lot more destruction and the holocaust is still taboo...and definately no DC as its still going on.

The holocaust isn't taboo, it's widely documented and talked about; people just dont make jokes about it, and you sure as hell can't/wouldnt make a game out of it. It's a horrible piece of history that people just leave as be.
But ww2 in general had pretty clearly defined ideas of good vs. evil, right vs. wrong, it wasn't a question of destruction or numbers of deaths - it was the point of the war in the first place, a hangover war from ww1, but still one born out of conquest of tyranny. </melodramatic>

Vietnam was a messy war, and although america officially "won" the war, the human cost in terms of bodies and psychologically was pretty high. Plus if you read the loading screens in BF-V, the 60s were also a period of social reform, where the ideas of "government knows best" were finally knocked down and personal freedom came to a new height. The war in S-E asia represented everythign again those notions.

Oh and DC is slightly dodgy now with the second Gulf war biting the US wholey in the ass. It's quickly turning into another vietnam, and god only knows what the "gulf war syndrome" part 2 will be

Winters

Originally posted by regeneration
although america officially "won" the war, the human cost in terms of bodies and psychologically was pretty high.

They never really "won" the war. They just came to an agreement with the NVA. A cease-fire was signed in Paris by enry Kissinger and Le Duc Tho at the beginning of 1974 that was to go into effect on January 28. The drafting of civilians into the Army was then ended and troops began to leave Vietnam. However in 1974 the NVA started the war again. Nixon was impeached for bombing Cambodia and resigned. At the end of 1974 the NVA made a massive offensive. In 1975 Hue fell, with Saigon now beginning to be moved against and anticipated to fall US President Gerald Ford, announces that as far as the US is concerned, the Vietnam War is "finished". The last US soilders are evacuated as Saigon fell to the NVA, the last 2 soidlers to die in the conflict did so when their helicopter crashed while evacuating. In 1976 Vietnam become the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.

So in reality the US just got up and left without a true ass kicking, getting out before they could actually be beaten... cheaky feckers.

regeneration

Agreed, but talking to the average american boards junkie in the past (usually erupting from "france sucks" threads), the common perception(misconcepton) is that america "won" the war based on it's official engagements (iirc, most of their official deployments were successful?). course that these people are jittery pubescents with gunlust has nothing to do with it

Winters

Originally posted by regeneration
jittery pubescents with gunlust

The average american so

The American involvement in the Vietnam/Indochina [as a whole] conflict was quite an interesting thing to read upon. The American Arsenal was totally overwhelming and modern. The Vietnam war saw the first use of helicopters as part of the battlefield, moving in troops, resupplies, Playboy bunnies and evacuating the wounded and dead. They proved so vital and useful that helicopters now play an important part in every conflict since then. The US had the newly built F4-Phantom jet which was supiorer to the NVA/Chineese/Russian Mig counterpart. The introduction of Napalm as a bomb for aeroplanes [remember, the US used Napalm back in ww2 for flame throwers] also provided a devistaing weapon against troops, and proved better then just bombs. The M60 and M16, once upgraded proved very useful and on a par with the NVA AK-47 counterpart, the origional M16 had jamming problems which were sorted with upgrades. Hwever, the AK-47 was a better infantry weapon due to its agility and durability, although was not as accurate at longer distances due to its shorter barrell over the M16.

In open battles the Americans would nearly always beat the NVA. Their overwhelming arsenal and available firepower would destroy the NVA. Where open battles were concerned the US would win. However, the NVA had the upper hand outside of this. The NVA had an execptual knowledge of the Jungle and could move through US lines undetected. The NVA could easily wipe out the US Army when in the jungle, where the US couldnt use their firepower to its fullest. The extreme dicipline of the NVA troops made this possible. The US troops, as you know were lead astray by "pesonal R&R" and many who were drafted in didnt want to fight at all. Many were fighting for a cause they didnt believe in, the changing of society in America at the time.

Now, im going to actually stop typing and shut up. This is not the thread for my history rambling. So, back to music. EA should have paid that bit more for some Hendrix and Doors. Although they didnt support the War, they were a vital part of the war and the social change going on in America at the time. Hendrix was an anthem for many soilders in the Vietnam war.

bizmark

the newly built F4-Phantom jet which was supiorer

Not really the F4 was a terrible dog fighter (it didnt even have a cannon) and its heat seeker missles nearly never worked right IIRC

regeneration

Originally posted by Winters
EA should have paid that bit more for some Hendrix and Doors. Although they didnt support the War, they were a vital part of the war and the social change going on in America at the time. Hendrix was an anthem for many soilders in the Vietnam war.

You sure? Star Spangled Banner was the only real affront to the war that Hendrix made, Im running other songs through my head, and none of them strike as being anthems against the war, and much of his stuff was very blues oriented.

satchmo

Try 'Machine Gun' and 'Izabella' for starters...

regeneration

Ok, when I think Hendrix, I think "Hey Joe", "Red House", "Bold as Love" etc; it's been a lonnnng time since I last listened to him, was a time I couldn't get enough of him (my crazy college years )

Instant Karma

anyways - any arguement in regards the game being unappropriate shouldn't be leaning toward sympathy for the americans who lost insignificant numbers of personnel compared to the vast numbers of Vitnameese civilians who were killed, one third of a holocaust by WW2 standards, and God knows how many were affected by agent orange etc after the war years. I admit the NVA/VC probably were responsible for a good portion of these deaths, but the fact is the USA had no right to even be there in the first place.

po0k

Originally posted by regeneration

The holocaust isn't taboo, it's widely documented and talked about; people just dont make jokes about it

Don't talk about the Holocaust man.
My grandaddy died because of it.
Had a heart attack and fell out of a guard tower...
*sniff*

bizmark

Originally posted by SyxPak
Don't talk about the Holocaust man.
My grandaddy died because of it.
Had a heart attack and fell out of a guard tower...
*sniff*

Lol class

magpie

Hmm, that ****e 80s live version of 'You really got me' by the kinks seems a little out of place...

Just uploaded 'House of the Rising Sun' which is good PBR music.

Jim

Thought I'd resserect this thread...

Put in a custom playlist just there, alot of Punk, seems to work well being fast and short etc...plus The Clash - Charlie Don't Surf is delightfully fitting.

magpie

I find 'Search & Destroy' by the Stooges to be pretty fitting, while avoiding the pitfalls of anachronism.

TheGreatOne

I enjoy blasting out "Sweet home Alabama" by Lynyrd Skynyrd in a chopper, it captures the moment nicely, for me!