A Couple of Questions about the Fitz

Cerdito

Hi,

Long time reader of Poker forum, first time poster........

I've gotten a lot of info off the other threads in this forum but there's just a couple of things I'd like to know about the Fitz if anyone could help.

1. What is the dress code? It says smart casual on the site, does that mean jeans are forbidden?

2. Do they have limit tables (e.g. €1/€2)?

3. Can you get a game of poker at anytime you call in (say 7.30) or do you have to wait for the tournaments to start?

Thinking of going tonight....€50 buy in but only one top-up allowed so can probably avoid that

Krusty_Clown

1. Jeans wearers are welcome.

2. Not sure if they have limit games, but they do host cash games. Last time I was there, there was a Hold'em/Omaha game going, where interested parties registered their interest, and were seated in a first come first served basis.

3. Doubtful.. I'm sure if there were enough interested parties they would be happy to setup a game, but obviously you need to have the punters in order to have a game..

mewso

1. Don't worry about what you're wearing.
2. The fitz have no limit games at the moment but that may change. The Merrion has recently introduced a €30 buy-in limit game €0.50/€1 I think.
3. Cash games don't seem to get going until 10ish in the evening. The general cash players hours seem to be 10p.m.-6a.m.

DeVore

The only reason there's nothing happening before 9 is because the club doesnt organise anything before 9... I liked the business league because it ran from 7 and gave you time to get a drink in afterwards...

Limit games arent popular but I guess you could try to get them to organise one.

DeV.

Cerdito

Cool, thanks for the info

I was just up the Merrion actually (taking money out of my Betfair account to use tonight ) and I saw the notice about the €30 cash game. It's not strictly a limit game I think. The blinds are 0.50/1.00 but you can raise up to €4 pre-flop, €8 post-flop and turn and €10 on the river. I think it starts earlier than the tournaments though, might be good for early birds.

cormie

Is what they play in the cash games. I know oh too well. I've lost too much in them. I'm not going back into a pot limit game. No Limit or nothing for me. One guy called every pre flop bet that didn't cost him more than €7. Even when he was next to big blind I saw him put in the big blind without even looking at his cards. So annoying, they just have money to throw away and go into the most stupid pots for the most ridiculous price waiting for the most ridiculous outs.

DeVore

Jeez... you say it like its a BAD thing... let him hand out his money like Santa. Sit back, play tight and bust his ass any time you have a big hand. I guaruntee you you will take his stack off him by the end of the night....

DeV.

cormie

With them buying back in so many times, someone has to have a big stack. that someone was very aggressive and I didn't want to risk calling big pf raises with so many other callers. I tried to keep out of Omaha, but it was Omaha that got me, again. It's very frustrating playing at the table. I don't recommend it. I know I'd have a good chance at them all at heads up no limit holdem, but its like that's their table, and all of them are against you.

DeVore

Omaha is a very different game to Hold'em... the people who play Omaha are specialists too and its hard to switch between the two...

One day I'm going to get 100 quid and sit down at the cash game in the Fitz and lose it just for the experience... but not today

DeV.

cormie

I just realised today that I was playing Omaha wrong, you HAVE to use 2 cards in your hand. I thought I had a house of Aces with A 10 J 10 10 on the table and an A in my hand. I lost to a poker of 10's and didn't show, woulda bin so much better if I had, they would have reminded me, and maybe even given me back some money????? HAHA yeah right.

Lafortezza

Originally posted by cormie
I know I'd have a good chance at them all at heads up no limit holdem, but its like that's their table, and all of them are against you.

I dunno, I think any of boards people would get eaten alive by the cash game players in a cash game. Its a totally different setup to the tournaments where we seem to hold our own against any cash gamers.

DeVore

Cash games are different alright, the psychology is quite different as you are betting real money and that affects your play a fair bit! (at least I think it would affect mine!)

Those cash games are populated by some of the best players in the club too... they arent messing about and they love newbies cos otherwise they are just moving money around between themselves...

DeV.

cormie

Most of them are just pure gamblers. I don't consider poker gambling myself.

I am used to cash games. I play more cash games then tournies with friends and stuff. I'm sure I would do allot better if it was no limit. Think about it. Pot limit: your under the gun and have aces. You can either check (terrible thing to do with pocket aces at a table of 10 or else raise the pot to €5, €5 is nothing to these guys, your going to get at least 4 callers meaning the chances of you winning are pretty low. Someone could hit 2 pair, flush draw, straight draw and these guys love their outs. They will pay allot to see one card. It's just not my game. "no limit baby" is for me. If only there was a no limit cash game, hold'em only.

DeVore

I'm fairly sure that if there isnt already a No Limit Holdem Cash game, you could easily get one going. Luke the floor manager will facilitate any game if there is support for it. Just tell him and he'll put it on the board to see who also wants to play.

Personally I like the tournaments (even though they are big payoffs for longer odds which normally I dont favour) simply because I'm *not* gambling, I'm buying something and I *always* get what I pay for: a good night out!

Winning is just gravy (very tasty and highly sought after gravy but gravy all the same). If it ever becomes something more, you are in danger of having a problem.

DeV.

cormie

I've asked at the cash game and everyone says nobody would play it, be over in a few minutes and stuff. But I'll try get an interest thing going. Would any of you guys like to play in there out of curiousity? It's a great night out. I love poker. haha. My friend and I told us he would like to play a no limit cash game and we said we play for 5 or 10c blinds, he said he'd pass. haha

Lafortezza

Originally posted by cormie
Pot limit: your under the gun and have aces. You can either check (terrible thing to do with pocket aces at a table of 10 or else raise the pot to €5, €5 is nothing to these guys, your going to get at least 4 callers meaning the chances of you winning are pretty low. Someone could hit 2 pair, flush draw, straight draw and these guys love their outs.

Pot-limit or Limit poker is all about the number of bets that you win, and the number of bets that you save when you don't bet/call.
You bet on the Aces, if it looks like someone has made their draw to a straight/flush then you drop them, saving a bet on the turn/river. You can turn it around and say that you could call to the river with 6 and 3 of diamonds and have a chance of hitting 2 pair, a flush, or a straight.
Its a hugely different style of poker to no-limit, its not at all about winning the big pots, its about grinding out results, winning more bets from your opponents and saving more of your own bets by folding when you know you're behind.

Originally posted by cormie
They will pay allot to see one card. It's just not my game. "no limit baby" is for me. If only there was a no limit cash game, hold'em only.

If there was a no-limit cash game, say for an initial €50 buy-in. There's not a hope in hell that you would survive more than an hour. Think about it. You'd be at a table of regular cash game players, each of whom has at least a grand in his pocket. They could buy you and sell you.
They would put you all in on every marginal hand, knowing that you'll fold because €50 means a hell of a lot more to you than it does to them. If you get 3 of them doing that then even when you have bullets, its likely the three of them will out draw you.

Although let us know how the cash games go in the future.

cormie

That's true. I suppose anyone with under €300 is just blood money. Although I do think I could come out with profit in a no limit game. It would be better if they did it like on EMPIRE Everyone can buy a max of €50 at the start, and when they are knocked out, can only rebuy €50. Although €50 isn't much with blinds 1/2. If I get a no limit game going, I'll let you know how I do. Although if I was going to one, I'd want at least €200. It's going to be very scary with them guys. €200 is a whole weeks wages for me. The amount of hard work I have to do for that. I just hope their not reading this.

careca

Hi all. First time posting. Friend of musician's. Have met a few of ye in FCC before. I won about €100 on the blackjact about 3 weeks ago and got knocked out early in a tournament, so decided to sit in a holdem cash game (€1/€2). Lasted about fifteen minutes and that was sitting out the omaha. No chance of limping in and most pots are raised about 3/4 times. If you are seriously thinking of blowing your weeks wages I would have to recommend otherwise. Wait until you win some cash in a tournament and invest a small percentage in a cash game.

DeVore

If you stake a weeks wages on that cash game you are insane. They will eat you.
Not only that, YOU will eat you. Even from the way you are writing its obvious you'd be cattle amongst the Aliens.... no offence I'm sure you are a very good card player etc but you need that money and you wont want to lose it, they dont have that problem. You'll bet and be run over by the rush to raise you all in and you'll have to back down. They'll spot that and you can kiss 200 notes good bye in 5 minutes. You wont see a flop you arent all in for.
Sorry to be brutal but the golden rule is that you never play with money you cant lose and that isnt just for financial considerations, its for poker considerations too. Could you bluff with that cash? Could you call that reraise with a decent hand?
I dunno, thats just me but unless you are looking for a minute rollercoaster ride I'd stay away from the sharks

DeV.

Hyzepher

The solution is to get a low stakes cash game going in the Fitz. Something that involves a maximum buy-in amount of say €100 and you cannot buy back during a hand. Blinds could be €1/€1.

The other alternative is to have a limit game with blinds €1/€2 - this gives you some protection as raises are at most 2x BB


If there is a demand for it the Fitz will put it on.

Hyzepher

DapperGent

Originally posted by cormie
€200 is a whole weeks wages for me. The amount of hard work I have to do for that. I just hope their not reading this.

You simply haven't got the bankroll to play at those tables whether they be limit or not. If you want to play cash games you'll have to do it online or else be prepared to get poor and look stupid very quickly.

cormie

nobody really starts with more than €200 at the start of the game. I wouldnt join a cash game where chip leader had like €500 or so. My name would have to be on the 1st 8 or so waiting list. I could bluff. The way I play is in units. When we play at home, we'd all start with about 200 units. This could be worth €4(2c per unit), €10(5) or €20(10), or whatever. I'd be looking at my units compared to theirs. Not the money. I'm just saying thats how much I earn, and I work allot for it. I'm not saying I wouldn't be prepared to put it on the table. I'd have one definite advantage. They have rarely played with me, they probably just think I am a lil kid with money to throw away that I get off my parents or something. Which is good. If they see me as a beginner then it will be allot easier to bluff and trap check and trap call and stuff. Although I have only been playing for about 2 years now. I suppose I am just a beginner. Maybe I'm a bit too over confident.

DeVore

I dont think we've played much against you so I cant really tell if your poker would be up to it. I'm pretty sure mine isnt! From talking to a few of the lads and ladies who play in it 1000 is what you need to have in reserve to play and have a reasonable chance of making anything. If all you want is a wild fling of the dice (which is what I would want if I were going to sit down with them) then sure thing but I wouldnt be staking the rent on it

DeV.

SOL

you can alternatively play there free tournaments, on thursdays I think, and they are good fun for the experience, and as has been said a million times playing for something that is more valueable to you than the other players is foolish and wont have a happy ending