True number of citizenship-tourists

arcadegame2004

The "No" side in the citizenship referendum are claiming that the true number of citizenship-tourists is only around 400. This is based on a narrow definition of the term as meaning those arriving in Ireland at 30 weeks into the term of pregnancy. However, official figures show that 58% of female asylum-seekers arriving in Ireland last year were pregnant, suggesting a number around 2,000, as this is the number that the 58% represents. I personally feel that as this figure (58%) has been constant for years, that this represents the true scale of babies-for-citizenship, especially as our pathetic deportation-rate is around 3% of asylum-seekers, even though the Dept. of Justice says that 90% of them are illegal. Which do you think is closer to the truth?

The Corinthian

I’ve never understood the logic behind polls like this one, where you ask people to vote as to what should be considered fact. Whether the figure is 400 or 2,000, it cannot realistically be decided by the whims of a vox pop, but by evidence and debate. It’s a bit like asking a mob to ask if someone is guilty or not of a crime - the decision will reflect public sentiment rather than actual fact.

In short; dumbest poll ever.

arcadegame2004

The evidence is clearly available in the press. The Sunday Independent has a lot of statistics and I quoted the entire article yesterday on the previous Immigration post. Not dumb. The evidence is there for all who choose to examine it.

arcadegame2004

I thought public-sentiment was democracy.

The Corinthian

Originally posted by arcadegame2004
The evidence is clearly available in the press. The Sunday Independent has a lot of statistics and I quoted the entire article yesterday on the previous Immigration post. Not dumb. The evidence is there for all who choose to examine it.

And that evidence and debate is in that previous immigration thread, but you’re neither presenting nor debating it here - you’ve not even mentioned the thread in your initial post and can’t assume that people have waded through the thread or even seen it. You’ve simply asked for people to vote on what is a fact, following a leading comment by yourself (you’ve made no pretence at giving both sides of the argument).

Arguing that it’s all there for all who choose who examine it is equally laughable as you’ve not even given a source in this thread for your evidence. So yes, really dumb.

I thought public-sentiment was democracy.

No, that would be mob rule you’re thinking of.

Chaos-Engine

Originally posted by arcadegame2004
I thought public-sentiment was democracy.

Thats Populism old boy

Democracy is for civilised folk

arcadegame2004

Corinthian ok heres the address of the page where my statistics quoting directly from the Sunday Independent can be found, under the JIM Cusack Article:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=152567&perpage=10&pagenumber=33

The Corinthian

You’re missing the point of my original post.

Just because people believe something does not make it a fact. If a majority of people voted that there were 400 rather than 2,000 citizenship-tourist cases it would not make it any more true than if they’d voted the other way around - That’s a nonsensical premise.

Had the pole been on people’s opinion that more should be done to curb the citizenship-tourist issue or how they were likely to vote in the upcoming referendum, then that would have made more sense. Otherwise this pole is better suited to the After Hours board rather than Politics.

Mighty_Mouse

I agree with corinthian

arcadegame2004

Quote from Jim Cusacks article in yesterday's Sunday Independent:

" Last year asylum applications were received from 1,893 pregnant women. "

Hobbes

Clearly more people should vote for 400 that way we can bring down this asylum seekers problem and help save the government once and for all!! Who's with me!

The Corinthian

Originally posted by arcadegame2004
Quote from Jim Cusacks article in yesterday's Sunday Independent:

" Last year asylum applications were received from 1,893 pregnant women. "

And what's that got to do with what I pointed out about your poll?

Originally posted by Hobbes
Clearly more people should vote for 400 that way we can bring down this asylum seekers problem and help save the government once and for all!! Who's with me!

Roffle

arcadegame2004

Cheeky.

The Corinthian

Originally posted by arcadegame2004
Cheeky.

Logic.