End of nightclubs ?

gurramok

From here , they are being sued for copyright infringement backdated 11 years.
Sample 55 song list is presented but it probably covers any song played to make you dance

They could face hundreds of milions in fines if the case is lost.

Is this the death-knell for nightclubs ?....Will you be worried about you fav club being sued out of business ?

Crash

Ha, my local ****e nightclubs mentioned in there as prominent. since when is club sarah prominent??

super_furry

Further proof, if any were need, that the music industry is run by greedy scumbags.

krattapopov

I am probably very wrong but I was under the assumption that if a business/pub/club paid for their IMRO license then they could play music for people to listen too? and that IMRO then paid the royalties to the artists. is it different for nightclubs or what?

NeMiSiS

krattapopov - I was under the same impression. If a chipper has a radio on it needs a licence from IMRO, any business place where there is music must have one.

Tom

robbie1876

I think the issue is that these nightclubs have not paid for their IMRO licences at some stage from 1989 to 2000. It might seem fickle to some that the PPI is taking this action, but this is being done from an artists perspective, and if it was my music that was being played illegally I would pursue what is duly mine too.

The IMRO licences for nightclubs are quite cheap in comparison to the massive profits the clubs make as a result of playing your music. For example, a club with an average attendance of 500 people and that charges €8 in - annual fee is €651.91 (from here). A club could make this money in a the time it would take to play just one of the songs on PPI's list.

However, I think there is a grey area before 2000. I have a feeling that the IMRO licensing laws were not as clear cut as they are today, and this is the basis of the action. I could be wrong on this, if anybody could clarify that would be great.

User45701

Hopefully it will mean the end of too lowd music in night clubs it can be nice to order adrink or have a converstaion.

Lenny

Originally posted by User45701
Hopefully it will mean the end of too lowd music in night clubs it can be nice to order adrink or have a converstaion.

**** off you dry ****e.
if you want to have a drink and a conversation then go to the ****ing pub or stay at home

Davey Devil

Spot on Lenny. What does he expect at a nightclub - tea and biscuits??

Tusky

Originally posted by User45701
Hopefully it will mean the end of too lowd music in night clubs it can be nice to order adrink or have a converstaion.

people go to nightclubs to dance DUH. If you want a nice conversation go to a cafe or a pub you dip**** :rolleyes:

Pepe LeFrits

i guess thats why they call them danceclubs

wait a second...

Lenny

But thats one of the stupidist post I've ever seen, its a bit like going to mc donnalds to eat food and not get fat

BKtje

Obviously trolling. Nice reactions tho

flogen

But thats one of the stupidist post I've ever seen, its a bit like going to mc donnalds to eat food and not get fat

I agree with your stance lenny, but I dont think your metaphor is good enough... how about "going to a dung hill/sewage plant/fart factory and complaining about the smell" or something like that?

Im not a fan of nightclubs, one reason is i dont dance, the other is they are often full of the kind of people i try to avoid (ok, not full, but theres enough of them), and also because I like to have a chat with my mates, which is why I try and go to a pub..

Flogen

Our man in Havana

Why are they called Nightclubs?

You dont have to be a member to get in. A club to me means membership. Trades descriptions act anyone?

They are a blot on the landscape.

Lenny

Yea good point,
sure they do cluse at 2:30 thats not really the night! its very early

griffdaddy

Originally posted by crash_000
Ha, my local ****e nightclubs mentioned in there as prominent. since when is club sarah prominent??

i'm a relatively wee lad crash, (17) but supposedly back in the day people were queuing back as far as vincents (or cascarinos ) for club sarah. now it's just full of dirtbags looking for a night of crap trance from the 'church and holylands

damnyanks

No,

It was always a kip

lodgepole

Originally posted by damnyanks
No,

It was always a kip

Remember though that back in the day when you were turfed out of Revilles at 11:30 and you had to find somewhere to drink...? I ended up there one night during a foam party. We were covered in rashes for weeks.

Our man in Havana

Its no loss that they are closing. The Gardai will be delighted too no doubt.

Kali

Originally posted by Bond-007
Why are they called Nightclubs?

You dont have to be a member to get in. A club to me means membership. Trades descriptions act anyone?

Why is it called membership? A ship to me means a big boat. I don't recall joining the navy. Trade descriptions act anyone?

Dont Ban Me

Originally posted by Kali
Why is it called membership? A ship to me means a big boat. I don't recall joining the navy. Trade descriptions act anyone?

Originally posted by Bond-007

Why are they called Nightclubs?

You dont have to be a member to get in. A club to me means membership. Trades descriptions act anyone?

Maybe the money you pay in, is seen as ur membership fee for the night?!!

Yo Mamma

The nightclub scene in Dublin at the moment is crap !

Maybe this will clean out some of the chaff and bring a much needed revamp to the whole situation.....

Or it could just make worse....

Misery..

Dont Ban Me

If the nightclubs do survive, all I can see this doing is driving up the prices even more!! :rolleyes:

joshcork

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Originally posted by User45701
Hopefully it will mean the end of too lowd music in night clubs it can be nice to order adrink or have a converstaion.

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**** off you dry ****e.
if you want to have a drink and a conversation then go to the ****ing pub or stay at home[/quote]

Man you must have some trouble talking to the girls if you need to have to have the music so load so you don't have to.
now I've worked in a nightclub for quite a while and watching people parade around showing the worst parts of themselves just a bit stupid after a while it just gets sad.

There were two girls that came to the club every saturday went in got a drink and then sat at a table and got drunk dancing every now and again, every single weekend the same routine

Also If you have to raise your voice in normal conversation then its over 85dB,(which is the legal limit in the workplace), nightclubs do permanent damage to your hearing you know that rining you get in your ears thats dead cells in your ear that don't grow back.

seamus

Originally posted by User45701
Hopefully it will mean the end of too lowd music in night clubs it can be nice to order adrink or have a converstaion.

**** off you dry ****e.
if you want to have a drink and a conversation then go to the ****ing pub or stay at home

In fairness, most pubs in the city are just as bad for playing loud music. That's half the problem with going drinking in Dublin, the music is so loud in most places, it's tough to have a decent conversation all night.

Totally agree though that if you want a quiet pint, you don't go to a nightclub....

It's a tad hypocritical. A lot of artists owe a lot to the nightclubs whether they pay or not. Especially with obscure specialist music like trance, and all those other forms of dance music, the nightclubs are the only place where their music gets wide exposure. Irish bands and solo artists, like Damien Rice also wouldn't be half as big if their music wasn't played in clubs.
Many people don't listen to the radio.

They can't see past their own euro signs. The single biggest enemy of music in this world is the msuic industry itself.

robbie1876

They can't see past their own euro signs. The single biggest enemy of music in this world is the msuic industry itself.

No, it's the club owners who can't see past their own euro signs. The money is insignificant for the artists. As pointed out earlier, the fee for an average sized nightclub is in the region of €700 per year!! How many thousands of different tracks get played during the course of the year? And divide that number by €700...

The fact is that when the nightclub does not pay their licence fee, they are stealing music for commercial gain, which is even worse than you or I downloading an illegal MP3. These clubs are making money from stealing our music. As mentioned earlier in the thread, people go to nightclubs to dance to the music, if there was no music people would not go.

Silent Bob

Originally posted by robbie1876
It might seem fickle to some that the PPI is taking this action, but this is being done from an artists perspective, and if it was my music that was being played illegally I would pursue what is duly mine too.

This isn't being done from an artists perspective, it is a set of record companies who are taking the suit. I will be very surprised if even €1 makes it to the artists whose songs are involved

Stark

Originally posted by Lenny

Originally posted by User45701
Hopefully it will mean the end of too lowd music in night clubs it can be nice to order adrink or have a converstaion.

**** off you dry ****e.
if you want to have a drink and a conversation then go to the ****ing pub or stay at home

He probably meant late bars. The ****e music they blare into your ears in those places can be a right ****. It's only there to reduce your enjoyment and make you drink more. If they cared about your pleasure, they'd play better music and have it at a volume where you can still talk to your friends (actually an brog in cork are fairly good for the music). At least in a nightclub you can dance to pass the time while you're trapped in your own little world acoustics wise.
Late cafes are nice but a lot of the time you I don't think you could feel relaxed in there for several hours, I'd feel pressured to leave after my first 2 coffees.

cournioni

Originally posted by Tusky
people go to nightclubs to dance DUH.

I didn't know that... I go for the drink and the women...

robbie1876

This isn't being done from an artists perspective, it is a set of record companies who are taking the suit. I will be very surprised if even €1 makes it to the artists whose songs are involved

It's actually PPI (Phonographic Performance Ireland) who are taking the suit. They represent both record companies and artists, and royalties to artists are distributed from PPI to the artists via RAAP. In fairness, the record companies have more to gain than the artists. But at the end of the day, its the record companies who put up the money for the artists to make their recordings, so I'm happy that they are getting what is due to them.

All this of course depends on whether or not the recored companies can prove that they owned the recordings at the time, which I'll be interested to see how they prove it.

Red Alert

I think it's a shame - clubbers of dublin should protest!

radiospan

Anyone know the names of the 9 clubs?

< hopes for Redz... >

Dave

The nightclubs/hotels involved in the action include prominent Dublin venues such as Regine's Hotel, the Charlotte Inn and Club Sarah, as well as the Golden Grill in Letterkenny and The Imperial Hotel, Dundalk

There's some. Not very prominent clubs by any standards.

User45701

I got a strange reaction...

Allot of night clubs are over 21 so i dont know much about them. Someone mentioned pubs and late night pubs music as i said i dont like the music being to high, i dont care what type of music it is as long as i can hear what other people are saying.

someone said if u want a quiet drink stay at home
If you want to drink, not talk to ppl and listen to music why dont u stay at home?

Epitaph

Originally posted by Stark
If they cared about your pleasure, they'd play better music and have it at a volume where you can still talk to your friends

The Longstone wasn't too bad for that, quite decent listenable music and at a decent volume.

Don't know if it's changed in the last six months, so...

Mossy Monk

Originally posted by Dont Ban Me
all I can see this doing is driving up the prices even more!! :rolleyes:

one way of not paying high prices is by not going to the **** holes in the first place. the world is now a happier place

Executive Steve

*SNIFF SNIFF* WHAT IS THAT???!! I SMELL TEH MISANTHROPIC EMBITTERED NERD!!!!!


this will only affect "pop music" places... singles sales are waaaay down, the charts are so rigged that there isnt a single bookmaker i ireland who will take bets on the irish charts, the big pop labels are trying to recoup costs to maintain the artificial prosperity that tehcoming of cds gave them.... i think its wicked! it means there will be economic incentives to book proper dj's who play obscure stuff on independent music labels who arent members of imro / riaa or whatever...

this will effectively mean that legal wrangles could kick bad music off dancefloors... sounds great to me!

tribble

Originally posted by robbie1876
As pointed out earlier, the fee for an average sized nightclub is in the region of €700 per year!! How many thousands of different tracks get played during the course of the year? And divide that number by €700...

You better hope you can dance Robbie 'cos you sure can't do math

tribble

Civilian_Target

Originally posted by Dave
There's some. Not very prominent clubs by any standards.

Dunno about that. The Golden Grill in Letterkenny is pretty big and gets a lot of trade in from Northern Irish people who want to go out with being beaten up.

But the people that run it are very very dodgy, they're at the centre of investigation in one of the tribunals (I think it's the McBrearty one) so its no surprise that they should be on this list.

tman

Originally posted by tribble
You better hope you can dance Robbie 'cos you sure can't do math

tribble

still though, he's onto something.
say 80 songs a night, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year = 20800 songs per year

€700 / 20800 = 3 cents per song...

Red Alert

they wouldn't be able to sell some of their terrible records if it weren't for the clubs who play them. the music industry is a white elephant now with thanks to electronic distribution, let's finish them off.

robbie1876

they wouldn't be able to sell some of their terrible records if it weren't for the clubs who play them. the music industry is a white elephant now with thanks to electronic distribution, let's finish them off.

:rolleyes:

Let's finish off the music industry? What exactly are you proposing? This should be good....

Clubs won't play music that people can't dance to. If they dance to it, they like it. If they don't like it, the floor clears and the record doesn't get played in the club again. What is wrong with making a record that people enjoy dancing to? Long live the novelty song!!

tribble, I challenge you to a breakdance showdown at midnight. I'll bring the lino and the Mr Sheen.