Comreg to Move on Pairgains for Internet Lines

spongebob

....that is to say you must inform Eircom the line is for INTERNET use as part of the order. It may apply now or it may apply in June or even September , it is not that clear from the published doc linked below

While Comreg intend to do a bit of regulating I would not expect them to enforce their own regulations as usual.

This is the New Regulation that will apply from June or from now or from later this year , and is subject to being amended in the meantime. We also have the CLFMP if ordering a new line , what will change here is the level of information Eirocm are required to give to the home user without being asked for it .

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The Clown Man

1.4 ComReg’s views on future policy

If, having completed the cost exercise, the user’s request exceeds a pre-defined cost threshold the user should be provided with a detailed breakdown of costs of installation. In addition, the user should also be afforded the opportunity to contribute to the cost of installation.

If the user wishes to wait until network expansion occurs in their area he or she should be provided with a record number of their order and some expectation as to when service will be provided in the future.

Er what!?

Does that not say that eircom can just say to you "sorry but your line is not suitable to meet the 0k USO and therefore you have to wait until your local network is rennovated and that is expected to be ... ooh ... about 2017. But if you want you can make a financial contribution to the rennovation ... Maybe we might be able to get your line up to the 0k requirement ..."

God, someone correct me here ...

Ripwave

Originally posted by The Clown Man
Er what!?

Does that not say that eircom can just say to you "sorry but your line is not suitable to meet the 0k USO

There is no 0k USO. It's undefined, which isn't the same as being defined as 0k. (And pairgains aren't illegal, either).

and therefore you have to wait until your local network is rennovated and that is expected to be ... ooh ... about 2017. But if you want you can make a financial contribution to the rennovation ... Maybe we might be able to get your line up to the 0k requirement ..."

If your requirements can't be met from the existing network resources without unreasonable expense, then eircom have to tell you, in detail, why. If you there isn't a non-pairgained line available, then eircom will have to tell you that before they install a line, and, if you tell them that you want the line for internet access, they should attempt to use pairgains for people who don't need to access the internet, to make an un-split line available for you.

That's what ComReg are saying. In real life, there's no reason to believe that eircom will pay any more attention to this directive than they have to many other comreg directives.

Except for the bit that allows them to take extra money from some people - they'll probably implement that bit, pronto.

spongebob

Originally posted by Ripwave
There is no 0k USO. It's undefined, which isn't the same as being defined as 0k.

It was 2.4k minimum up to July last year. It is now undefined as Ripwave puts it. That means that no figure above 0k is applicable and therefore it IS 0k .

If your requirements can't be met from the existing network resources without unreasonable expense, then eircom have to tell you, in detail, why. If you there isn't a non-pairgained line available, then eircom will have to tell you that before they install a line, and, if you tell them that you want the line for internet access, they should attempt to use pairgains for people who don't need to access the internet, to make an un-split line available for you.

Expect lots of lying and cheating. In the UK the definition of unreasonable is a job that will take more than 100 Man Hours (in Ireland that would be 5000 Biddy hours) .

If it takes longer than 100 Man hours it is an Unreasonable Request and will incur a charge above that of a standard connection charge for a new line , that is €125 incl Vat or thereabouts.

Comreg have not seen fit to tell us how Eircom will 'find' these Voice only pairs in order to pairgain them in order to provide non pairgained pairs fro reasonable internet access requests (at 0k ). I assume that any line where there has been traffic over the past year to a 13nn or a 189n number will be exempted from the pairgainable pool from now on.

Comreg have thundered at Eircom that 'the report' is to be in by June 2004 but the report SHOULD have been in by October 2003 as ordered in the annex to the July 2003 USO. Eircom gleefully ignored that deadline and will equally likely ignore this one too, as confidently predicted by Ripwave (no I won't buy you a pint for that one) .

Ripwave is right of course hence my deliverate uncertainty as to when this vaguely proposed system will become enforceably applicable to all of us, like any good USO should. I assume that a rate of 2.4k or greater will be mandated on these lines after July 2007 .

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