Ideal Ins/Outs for your team this summer?

Bannor

Originally posted by The Rooster
Have Liverpool shown any interest in taking Babbel back or is a permanent move to Blackburn on the cards.

I think losing Babbel to his illness was a huge blow to Liverpool and one of the reasons they've gone from 2nd to 5th over the last few years. He was always ultra steady at the back, and was good for about 8 goals a season. Plus Hyypia scored more when he played, as opponents had more than one player to mark when corners/free kicks were being played in to the box.

He has been told that he can come back for pre-season training next season with a clean slate as far as the management are concerned. If he impresses then he'll be kept on until the end of his contract otherwise he will be given the free transfer treatment.

AngelofFire

Villa

out: None hopefully

In:Larsson, Matteo Ferrari, Muzzy izzet

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Sorensen

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Delaney

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Mellberg

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Ferrari

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Samuel

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Solano

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McCann

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Izzet

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Barry--

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Larsson

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Angel

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JippoKelly

Liverpool

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Outs: GH, Thompson, Hyppia, Henchoz, Diao, Smicer, and Heskey for starters!

Non-Ins: Cissé (please cancel it now! he's the French Heskey!!)

Ins: Mourinho, Malbranque (<-- Quality), Kezman/Smith, Upson, Babbel back, Dawson, Barton and SWP/Partridge starting.

Space Coyote

Cissé (please cancel it now! he's the French Heskey!!)

What are ye on about? He is top scorer in the French league this season, playing with an average team...he could possibly be another Anelka, ie very tempremental, but he is way way way more talented than bloody Heskey. Please explain why you think he's the French Heskey ???
And why Alan Smith ? He is so over-rated, what has he ever done ??? I would be sick if Alan Smith signed for Liverpool.

I agree with Mourinho (not gonna happen), Malbranque (should have signed him last summer), Kesman (maybe but why are the top sides not looking at him? something wrong there), Upson (interesting, he would be a very good signing, he's never been mentioned before), Dawson (meh dunno), Barton (don't need him), SWP has been linked, I like him as a player - he could be good for us, Partridge (is probably getting a 1 year extension to his contract, but if GH is still in charge he wont bother playing him). Partridge has to leave to get 1st team football.

P.S. I've had a few drinks so if I've said anything stoopid, blame de cider

JippoKelly

Obviously he's not as crap as Heskey (who is;)??), but he isn't great either. He gets by with his pace. That's about it. Not exactly a quality Mr. Houllier has been renowned to exploit well now is it?

Liverpool need a striker with vision that will make intelligent runs and craft chances for other players (akin to Litmanen and indeed Kezman). Cisse doesn't have this ability IMO. He tries to bulldoze through defences with his pace to mixed levels of success. He's very like Yakubu at Portsmouth actually. Not a bad player, but is too direct a lot of the time.

He might be top scorer in the French League atm, but the standard isn't particularly high there. I remember a certain player by the name of Guiv'arche who finished top scorer in the French league and then flopped when he moved abroad.

I think Upson is a must sign tbh. I've rated him since his Arsenal days (I was stunned when they sold him). He's a solid defender that can play football too, which is more than can be said about Hyppia and Henchoz. And if Kenny Cunnigham was a bit younger, I'd like to sign him too. Him and Upson have been great all season. They were top drawer against Arsenal last week. Almost made Arsenal look average. Almost.

I'd also love SWP at Anfield. I would prefer Partridge to get a chance (typical Irish bias), but an exciting player like SWP is axactly what we need on the wing. He's got plenty of pace and can beat players with ease as well.

Dawson and Barton I'd view as more long term investments than throwing straight in to the first team. I should have said that earlier.

I also left out two things in my original post:

1. Biscan should have been in my OUT list. How I managed to overlook poor Igor I'll never know!

2. I also wouldn't mind Liverpool signing Kevin Nolan. He can pass quite well, works hard and is a real box-to-box midfielder that will try and burst in to the box to support the strikers as often as he can.

Kezman (maybe but why are the top sides not looking at him? something wrong there)

I hear what you're saying. The same could also be said for Cissé however. Kezman has performed well in Europe and at international level. He appears to be a fairly creative striker, which would be useful for us I think.

And as for Alan Smith. I know he doesn't have the greatest goal-scoring record, but he has got pace, is quite skillful and is very good in the air. He also isn't afraid to throw his weight around (a bit too much at times ) which is more than can be said about Big 'Mile.

G

Villa

Originally posted by cruiserweight
Will deadly Doug drop dead and leave a load of money in his will?:D

If we nick CL there should be a few extra quid available, maybe 10-15mil. (as miserable as it sounds).

Out: Allback, Kachloul.

In: Van Bommel, Paul Heffernan (Notts County striker), Paul Connolly (Plymouth full back) and 2-3 free transfers.

Izzet's going to Birmingham the wanker and looks like Smith's going to Spain.

G

Originally posted by AngelofFire
In:Larsson

Only problem with Larsson is that he wants to play in Spain and in the CL. :dunno:

AngelofFire

Id say our new CEO bruce langham will push the board hard during the summer. we`ll get around 6-8 million which isnt great but we can still snatch at least 3 quality players. the fact that we had an operating loss of 12 million earlier in the year doesnt help but thats only a short term problem, the wage bill has been reduced to less than 20 million a season from around 32 million. we should expect heavy investment in the squad come 2005.

cournioni

Originally posted by irish1
So Pornapster what midfield would be the best for united next season going on their current squad and Miller??

My lineup...

GK: Howard

DL: O'Shea
DC: Ferdinand
DC: Ayala/Brown/Silvestre (Depends who is on form, not Silvestre on current form)
DR: G. Neville

DMC: Keane
DMC: Djemba x2
AMC: Scholes
RM: Ronaldo
LM: Giggs/Vicente

SC: v. Nistelrooy.

Villain

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
My lineup...

DMC: Keane
DMC: Djemba x2
AMC: Scholes
RM: Ronaldo
LM: Giggs/Vicente

SC: v. Nistelrooy.

I think thats a good line up but I dont like the formation, I would have agreed with Scholes playing in the hole when Forlan was the only other proper striker available, but with Saha now available I think 4-4-2 would be better.

I think Keane doing his Defensive duties would allow Scholes to play a more central role while still allowing him to get forward, I also think scholes is more capable of getting a tackle in when needed than Djemba Djemba and if you keep O'Seah and G Neville tight at the back theres no real need for 2 defensive midfielders, especially when Rio comes back. You have to remember also that Keane will probably only start 20 or so games next season.

Do you not think Saha would be wasted on the bench

Bannor

Originally posted by JippoKelly
I think Upson is a must sign tbh. I've rated him since his Arsenal days (I was stunned when they sold him). He's a solid defender that can play football too, which is more than can be said about Hyppia and Henchoz. And if Kenny Cunnigham was a bit younger, I'd like to sign him too. Him and Upson have been great all season. They were top drawer against Arsenal last week. Almost made Arsenal look average. Almost.

You might get your wish. The Birmingham fans on Saturday were convinced that there is a swap deal being done between the clubs involving Heskey and Upson. Apparently SGE has told Upson that he needs experience in European competition if he is to become a regular England international.

I hear what you're saying. The same could also be said for Cissé however.

Real Madrid, Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd and AC Milan have all made enquiries about Cisse. The player has told them all to feck off that he's signing for Liverpool, Previously Kezman has only been linked with Man Utd. He's now being linked with Liverpool by his agent - most likely trying to re-ignite Alex Ferguson's interest in him..

cournioni

Originally posted by irish1
I think thats a good line up but I dont like the formation, I would have agreed with Scholes playing in the hole when Forlan was the only other proper striker available, but with Saha now available I think 4-4-2 would be better.

I think Keane doing his Defensive duties would allow Scholes to play a more central role while still allowing him to get forward, I also think scholes is more capable of getting a tackle in when needed than Djemba Djemba and if you keep O'Seah and G Neville tight at the back theres no real need for 2 defensive midfielders, especially when Rio comes back. You have to remember also that Keane will probably only start 20 or so games next season.

Do you not think Saha would be wasted on the bench

Maybe so. But Fergie changes things around like that anyway. He usually uses the formation I've posted in bigger games against Arsenal, Real Madrid etc.

johnor

What fergie needs to do is blood two young centre mids along with scholes and keane, Like one week have keane and miller in midfield, next week scholes and jumbojumbo...obviously not every week changin but giving the young players some proper pitch time. Scholes could work back more often when playing with the likes of miller/djemba/kleberson.

My united next season:

GK: Howard

DL:Silvestre/O'Shea
DR:G Neville
DC:Ferdinhand/Brown
DC:Ferrai/Silvestre

ML: VanderVarrt/Milner
MR: Ronaldo/Fletcher/OleGunnar
MC: Scholes/Miller
MC: Keane/Djemba/Kleberson

Phil Neville coming in anywhere across mid

FC: VanNistelrooy/Gilardinho
FC: Saha/OleGunnar/Bellion

jonno

Originally posted by Bannor
Liverpool:

OUT:
Baros, Biscan, Diouf, Hamann, Heskey, Mellor, Partridge

IN:
Barton, Cisse, GALLAS, Van der Vaart

Well it seems as though Gallas has gone AWOL at Chelsea if reports on skysports are to be believed. I would love to get him and Mexas. Would be a sweet partnership I think.

Villain

Originally posted by jonno
Well it seems as though Gallas has gone AWOL at Chelsea if reports on skysports are to be believed. I would love to get him and Mexas. Would be a sweet partnership I think.

If that is true its becasue of a row with Raneri who won't be there next season, Gallas will be back for the new manager

Bannor

Originally posted by jonno
Well it seems as though Gallas has gone AWOL at Chelsea if reports on skysports are to be believed. I would love to get him and Mexas. Would be a sweet partnership I think.

I wouldn't pay any attention to the news report - PhysioRoom.com was updated last week with a hamstring injury reported for Gallas, so his season is over and he has most likely been allowed go home by the club. He's still my hope for sorting the Liverpool defense in the summer. The question is will Chelsea be prepared to sell to another Premiership team.

Mexes won't be making a move to Anfield this summer. Apparently representatives of Chelsea made an enquiry so Auxerre decided to raise the price to £10M. Liverpool won't pay that money so the club will be looking elsewhere.

kida

(Gallas) He's still my hope for sorting the Liverpool defense in the summer

1. Theres proab no way Chelsea would sell him.
2. Why on earth would he go to Liverpool

Bannor

Originally posted by kida
1. Theres proab no way Chelsea would sell him.
2. Why on earth would he go to Liverpool

1 - Chelsea may not get a choice in the matter of the player staying or not, Gallas is already a tad upset with things at Chelsea. The club is already in negotiations with Walter Samuel (Roma) and Roberto Ayala (Valencia) about signing for Chelsea, they've also enquired about Mexes recently. If they sign two or more central defenders in the summer then Gallas won't get much first team football at Chelsea next season.

2. Because he wants to! :eek: He met with representatives of the club last summer and made it known that he wanted to join Liverpool.

The only issue is whether Chelsea will sell the player to Liverpool.

johnor

Dunno about that, Melchiot on his way out....Glenn Johnson still young. Gallas prefares playing right back, that is why he fell out with Ranieri before. Wouldnt suprise me if chelsea signed another centre half, had gallas on right back, bridge left, terry and new guy in centre. Still a great back line...Gallas likes getting forward would give the team a good balance,cant see him wanting to leave chelsea....cant see chelsea wanting to sell him. Liverpool might go for Melchiot tho...

Bannor

Gallas fell out with Ranieri because he doesn't want to play as full back.

Gallas fury at right back role (Sky Sports)

The Rooster

I'd imagine Melchiot's performance against Monaco would have turned most managers off him.

Likewise Upson and Cunningham didnt cover themselves in glory v Liverpool. Though it has to be said that Owen and Heskey as a pair played better than they have all season (albeit if they'd been in aboslute top form they'd have had 5 or 6 goals between them instead of 2)

But I have always thought Upson's performances this season have been over-rated. Wenger is no fool, and Upson's performance for England was mediocre. I think Cunningham is making him look good, not unlike the way McGrath made Phil Babb look world class!

johnor

I stand corrected, said the man in the orthopedic shoes. I remember Gallas being unhappy last season, he played right back in the first few games and had scored one or something...had a bet with Desailly that he would get more, then he was switched to Centre back. Anyhow, no chance he will end up in liverpool, why would he want to move from a club on the up to a club, in the top 3 that will struggle to get into the top 3.

Raskolnikov

Man Utd.

Out

David Bellion, Jose Kleberson, Eric Djemba-Djemba, Diego Forlan and Roy Keane

Bellion: He may only be 22 and you could say that he's still settling into the squad but there's nothing that says this guy is anything above mediocre. If Utd want to stay at the top, he's just not good enough.

Klebserson: A flop, as with Bellion he's just not good enough for Man Utd.

Djemba-Djemba: I don't see him ever being good enough to take the place of the old Roy Keane.

Forlan: Don't really need to say anything more about this guy do I? Surplus to requirements, won't be the super-sub that Solskjaer was.

Roy Keane: Too old, had a few excellent games this season but his forms has really slipped and will probably slip more next season.

In

A strong man in the middle to control the game, a Keane replacement, Patrick Vieria would be an excellent but unrealistic target. Stephen Gerrard too would be great but unrealistic.

I'm not confident that United will bounce back next season though. There are an awful lot of mediocre players in the team and there doesn't seem to be any motivation to bring in proven big names.

Third_Echelon

I definitely think we need to get rid of some of the old blood and give the youngsters a chance. There are a few good young players such as Osman, Chadwick, Symes and Pascucci coming through that deserve a chance....


Out: David Weir, Scot Gemill, Alex Nyarko, Kevin Campbell, Duncan Ferguson

In: Dimitry Bulykin (Dynamo Moscow), Joe Cole (Chelsea, loan), Jason Koumas (WBA), Pablo Ibanez (Albacete)

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Wright

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Hibbert

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Yobo

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Stubbs/Ibanez

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Pistone/Naysmith

Mc Fadden/Osman --- Gravesen/Koumas --- Cole/Linderoth --- Kilbando

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Bulykin/Rooney

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Radzinski/Chadwick

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eirebhoy

Originally posted by Third_Echelon
In: ...Jason Koumas (WBA)

Koumas stayed with West Brom when they got relegated, they are now back in the premiership. Do you honestly think he'll leave them now for Everton?

kensutz

Norwich

Out: Dean Sinclair, Paul Crichton, Iwan Roberts (legend), Paul McVeigh

In: Peter Crouch, David Bentley (season long loan), Emmanuel Petit, Joe Cole (loan pending on Maurinho taking over), Kevin Cooper

jonno

Originally posted by Bannor

2. Because he wants to! :eek: He met with representatives of the club last summer and made it known that he wanted to join Liverpool.

I remember that too. But Chelsea persuaded him to stay. I think there is a chance he could sign for Liverpool especially if Roman flashes the money this summer on a few center backs.

Ping Chow Chi

Originally posted by NekkidBibleMan
Liverpool

Out:
Heskey, Diao, Diouf

In:
Cisse, Dawson, van der Vaart, Wright-Phillips

Your not getting Dawson - he is part of our plans for next season

Big Ears

Originally posted by JippoKelly


He might be top scorer in the French League atm, but the standard isn't particularly high there. I remember a certain player by the name of Guiv'arche who finished top scorer in the French league and then flopped when he moved abroad.

The French league have : a Champions league finalist , Uefa cup finalist and had a team in the quarter finals of champs league ( lost to porto ) . Now to me that seems pretty good . A lot better than German/ Dutch/Greek/portugeuse ( all they have is porto ) sides .

sikes

SPURS

OUT -

PLEAT - Must leave if the club is to move forward and appoint a class manager

Anderton - Great servant but time to leave

Redknap - Injured too much

Ziege - Injured too much

Kanoute - shouldn't have done the mali thing

Poyet - Off anyway

IN -

Trapatoni/Hughes - Manager/Ass. Manager

Robinson - £2.75m

Lizarazu - Free

Van Bommel - exactly what we need in the centre but word is we have stopped negoiations

Diego - Class santos act, have a gentlemans agreement with spurs

Reid - £6m, very expensive maybe too much, but the more iridh the better

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Robinson

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Carr --- Gardner --- King ---- Lizarazu

Davies --- Van Bommel -- Diego --- Reid

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Postiga --- Keane

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Subs:
Keller Defoe Doherty Kelly Ricketts


think that is cl quality!!!

Jivin Turkey

Why on earth would you want postiga up front instead of Defoe?

Dewey

Man United.

Out:

Forlan - Hes a good player but not good enough for united. would do well in scotland.

In:

A World class midfeilder who is proven in Premiership. someone like Gerrard or Lampard.
A center back aswell because Rio wont be fit for the first few months and will need reserve games to get match fit. Maybe be Terry.

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Howard

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Neville

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Captain Rio

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Terry

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O'Shea

Ronaldo

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Lampard

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Scholes

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Giggs

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Saha

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Ruud Van Nistorooy--

Pepe LeFrits

Aye Dewey, I reckon Mr Abramovich will be only too eager to sell his two best players to Man Utd!

growler

chelsea

Out:
Veron , Geremi, Mutu , Jimmy, Forsell (to stay at Birmingham) , Sullivan, Melchiot, Stanic, Petit, Gronkjaer and Bogarde

In: suspect another 8 weeks on non stop speculation in the press and more buying, certain to be getting Cech and Robben , I'm starting to believe Beckham is on his way to London , maybe even Ronaldo.

I think it's going to be basically the main backbone of the the team, with Duff, Lampard, Terry , Gallas, Gudjonsen, Bridge, Parker , Crespo, keeping places and Cech being 1st keeper before Cudicini, Joe Cole to remain a bench-warmer with Babayaro and Glen Johnson , Huth and a new striker and and additional expensive 5 or so household names to provide an injury-worry-free team of all stars.

Third_Echelon

Originally posted by eirebhoy
Koumas stayed with West Brom when they got relegated, they are now back in the premiership. Do you honestly think he'll leave them now for Everton?

its a step up for him.. bigger club...

he has been linked with everton and he is on moyes wish-list for the summer... so its a matter of bidding for him and seeing what happens... good player to have in your squad i would think...

sikes

Originally posted by Jivin Turkey
Why on earth would you want postiga up front instead of Defoe?

its a difficult one, but postiga is in my opinion a better talent and hopefully will adjust to the english game and then i think he will be a top striker in england.... and also i can't drop keane cos you know hes irish and all!!!!

i really think that if postiga gets his chance next season he will do real well

alfie

IMO Defoe and Keane are better than spurs, i was amazed when one of the big 3 didnt come in for Defoe he's top class as is Keane, Spurs a bit like liverpool are livin in their past glory, anyway i cant believe you think postiga is a better talent than Defoe, in a few years Defoe will be Englands top striker, he's already up there with them and should go to euro 2004

sikes

and postiga will be portugals. if you saw postiga play last year for porto you would seen the genuine quality he is.


as i said its difficult between the two but there you go.

Washout

I know its not going to happen but I would love to see Alan Smith at Everton next season.
Its a terrible situation for us at the moment....no money whatoever and there is noway that the everton board will allow a Leeds situation develop.
I think We are like 20-30 mill in debt anyways.

Maybe let Wayne Rooney go this summer for 20-25 mill and then buy in 4 or 5 million rated players maybe the best idea.

Third_Echelon

Originally posted by Washout
I know its not going to happen but I would love to see Alan Smith at Everton next season.
Its a terrible situation for us at the moment....no money whatoever and there is noway that the everton board will allow a Leeds situation develop.
I think We are like 20-30 mill in debt anyways.

Maybe let Wayne Rooney go this summer for 20-25 mill and then buy in 4 or 5 million rated players maybe the best idea.

NO WAY... no matter how good of a player he is... he is a little scumbag... we dont need that at everton... imagine him and duncan in the same squad!!!

the board should be able to muster up about 5 - 7 million for the summer and we have some young players that need bleeding in at the top...

how could any evertonian say that selling wayne rooney would be a good idea... there is no way we could ever afford to buy a 25 million rated player... we dont need to because we have one!!!! look to the future rather than patching little holes now... short term suffering for long term gain... best in the long run i think...

Washout

I know he is a little hot head. but here is the thing.

who would you like to see upfront with rooney. The only striker i can really think of at the moment is Smith. It would be a lethal combination.

Ferguson, Campbell and Radzinski are just not the answer for us.
I always thought Chadwick should have been given a decent run.

Im just worried that if we just get in one or 2 average players for next season then Everton is in real danger.

I would hate to see Rooney go. He is going to be a star.

(maybe we should start a thread specifically to discuss this)

dont wanna go too off topic.

Third_Echelon

smith is a good player.. but its his discipline that lets him down.. if he could lose that tendancy to do stupid stuff every so often that would be fine, but i dont think he can...

I agree with chadwick.. hes good alright.... fergy and campbell are getting too old... radzinski is skilful and fast but he hasn't been putting the goals away this season..

the midfield and another center half are the main areas that should be concentrated on...

yeah i think a thread on this would be interesting... go start one..

G

Originally posted by sikes
SPURS

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Robinson

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Carr --- Gardner --- King ---- Lizarazu

Davies --- Van Bommel -- Diego --- Reid

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Postiga --- Keane

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Subs:
Keller Defoe Doherty Kelly Ricketts


think that is cl quality!!!

Everybody has to have a dream eh?

eirebhoy

Originally posted by G
Everybody has to have a dream eh?

He's not asking for as much as some other people in this thread. They look certain to get Robinson for less than £3mil. Lizarazu is out of contract and Bolton are in for him ATM. Sikes said Santos has a gentleman agreement with Spurs for Diego and he'll go if Spurs want him. We all heard that Spurs want Reid and they'll get him for about £5mil. Van Bommel looks certain to leave PSV for around £3mil in the summer but I doubt Spurs will get him.

All the players that Sikes has named would come to £10.75mil plus Diego (I don't know how much he'd cost). They should get a few quid on Kanoute if they sell him.

G

You misunderstand me eirebhoy. I think Spurs have a good chance of bringing in some decent talent, but to think that team has potential to be Champions League quality is dreaming a bit. The Spurs defence was terrible this season and bringing in Robinson (although he's a great keeper) and an aging Lizarazu as the only changes to that defence might not be enough.

On the other end of the pitch Robbie Keane had a good season but Postiga, who promised so much, hasn't settled. He'll be second bat to Defoe though. Spurs need a good manager more and before anything else.

G

sikes

Originally posted by G
You misunderstand me eirebhoy. I think Spurs have a good chance of bringing in some decent talent, but to think that team has potential to be Champions League quality is dreaming a bit. The Spurs defence was terrible this season and bringing in Robinson (although he's a great keeper) and an aging Lizarazu as the only changes to that defence might not be enough.

G

the reason the defence was so poor was that king was played in the centre, Bring him to the back with gardner ( two full english internationals) play with carr, on his day the best right back in the prem, we prob won't get lizarazu cos he is too old and goes against the transfer policy. so a x in the left position ....

looks like the first piece has fallen into place anyway!!!

compare that spurs team to the liverpool team, is there much difference???