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Should McCabe killers be release as part of IRA disbandment deal?
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Originally posted by ReefBreak
Off-topic, according to the recent SBP opinion poll, their vote increase (fortunately) seems to have levelled off, with a 2% and 1% drop in support since the last polls.
lol
http://www.thepost.ie/web/DocumentView/did-444005791-pageUrl--2FThe-Newspaper-2FSundays-Paper-2FNews-Features.asp
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Laugh all you like. When RTE (TV) News were reporting this on saturday, they stated that their support had dropped 1% and 2% from the previous polls, note - not the previous election, which is what the SBP is referring to:Originally posted by irish1
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http://www.thepost.ie/web/DocumentView/did-444005791-pageUrl--2FThe-Newspaper-2FSundays-Paper-2FNews-Features.asp
"Sinn Féin will be delighted with the poll, which puts it neck and neck with Labour. The party has climbed to 12 per cent support in the local elections, and 11 in the Euros - a mammoth increase on its 7 per cent of first preferences in the 2002 general election. Its core strength comes from younger voters. "0 -
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That still doesn't address the question of why the IRA initially denied responsibility in the probable knowledge that there would be a furore amongst people who SF would like to at least persuade to vote for them..Originally posted by irish1
I have posted a link to a story by Vincent Browne shich shows the Supreme Court was incorrect on a matter of fact in its judgement and it also discusses other murderers that were convicted after the GFA and set free, this includes the murderer of a Soldier and a 16 year old.
or the fact that this was an armed robbery in a country that has never given the IRA a mandate..
or the fact that the murder was not , nor could it conceivably be considered an act of war under any reasonable definition-even given your own definition of IRA prudence vis a vis engaging what they would call the free state forces..
Your opinion on the matter isn't good enough and isn't reason enough for them to be released.but I think under the GFA which was passed both north and south they are entitled to be released early.
The very fact that the Irish government one of the main facilitators of the agreement haven't released them to date shows what their interpretation of the early release conditions were...
Furthermore it seems perfectly clear that they are being used now as a bargaining chip for further progress with the peace process.
That seems highly smelly to me given that SF were prepared to take up their seats in the new assembly and their ministerial positions even though , it was being made perfectly clear post GFA that the Dublin government did not see Garda McCabes murderers as qualifying prisoners.
The smelly bit is that they now are openly admitting, at this stage that they are on behalf of the IRA using their release as a bargaining chip for further progress.
This is the same IRA that at first denied involvement, and then admitted involvement, because and this is what it looks like,their friends who murdered the garda (that was only doing his job upholding law and order) would remain in jail otherwise..The Brigadier has me on his ignore list and so I can't really say much to him, but as you will see from the attachment I posted here I have sent him a PM to discuss his problems with me, I am more than willing to do so in the future.
To the best of my knowledge, if you are on someones ignore list, they cannot receive pm's from you.
The brigadeer probably didn't know that ,I certainly didn't untill recently.
You don't even get an email notifying you...( although the homepage will tell you that there is a new pm, it will not be in your inbox, so you have no way of knowing from whom or of reading/receiving it unless you take the person off ignore )
which by the way is excelent and the very essence of what an ignore feature should be
So in all fairness if the brigadeer was not aware of that which is highly probable, It's understandable that he may have thought you were lying.
Your attachment proves of course that you weren't but you will understand how someone that has you on their ignore list wouldn't know that you are pm'ing them because as far as they are aware, the pm from you doesn't exist 0 -
Originally posted by Rock Climber
That still doesn't address the question of why the IRA initially denied responsibility in the probable knowledge that there would be a furore amongst people who SF would like to at least persuade to vote for them..
or the fact that this was an armed robbery in a country that has never given the IRA a mandate..
or the fact that the murder was not , nor could it conceivably be considered an act of war under any reasonable definition-even given your own definition of IRA prudence vis a vis engaging what they would call the free state forces..
I have stated my opinion before on this but basically I think they denied it because it was in breach of IRA rules, but as I said the gun used in the McCabe killing was used in 4 other robbery's in Ireland that were carried out by the IRA. It was not an act of war as such but it was when the IRA was not on a ceasfire and I believe it was sanctioned by the IRA.
Originally posted by Rock Climber
Your opinion on the matter isn't good enough and isn't reason enough for them to be released.
The very fact that the Irish government one of the main facilitators of the agreement haven't released them to date shows what their interpretation of the early release conditions were...
Furthermore it seems perfectly clear that they are being used now as a bargaining chip for further progress with the peace process.
That seems highly smelly to me given that SF were prepared to take up their seats in the new assembly and their ministerial positions even though , it was being made perfectly clear post GFA that the Dublin government did not see Garda McCabes murderers as qualifying prisoners.
The smelly bit is that they now are openly admitting, at this stage that they are on behalf of the IRA using their release as a bargaining chip for further progress
Well the Government may have kept them in but it was stated that there was an agreemnet done to release them in October. I dont think the killing of James Morgan was war related and his killer was released after only 1 year and he was convicted of Murder after the GFA.
Originally posted by Rock Climber
To the best of my knowledge, if you are on someones ignore list, they cannot receive pm's from you.
The brigadeer probably didn't know that ,I certainly didn't untill recently.
You don't even get an email notifying you...( although the homepage will tell you that there is a new pm, it will not be in your inbox, so you have no way of knowing from whom or of reading/receiving it unless you take the person off ignore )
which by the way is excelent and the very essence of what an ignore feature should be
So in all fairness if the brigadeer was not aware of that which is highly probable, It's understandable that he may have thought you were lying.
Your attachment proves of course that you weren't but you will understand how someone that has you on their ignore list wouldn't know that you are pm'ing them because as far as they are aware, the pm from you doesn't exist
Well I would but it says e-mail notification was sent so I assumed he would know it was there not sure if he could read it even if he wanted to do?? I have sent another one and will wait and see.:D0 -
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Yes but thats what I'm saying, they were in october using the release of Garda McCabes murderers as a bargaining chip last october to further the process and still are.Originally posted by irish1
Well the Government may have kept them in but it was stated that there was an agreemnet done to release them in October.
I'll be frank with you, that doesn't look good, even if it is meant to be and is pragmatic.
It doesn't look good because of the act itself.
I can see what you are saying regarding the other prisoners under the GFA who were released under its terms even though their convictions were after the GFA.
To be honest,I wasn't aware of that, but the same as you I'll offer an opinion, they should not have been released.It's as valid of me to hold that opinion as it is of you to hold yours that the McCabe killers should be released.
One other point though,Ahern denies that the McCabe murderers were explicitly included under the terms of the GFA and thats consistant with the line the government took for the last six years.
Well just for you, I did an experiment this evening,I asked a boards poster on my buddy list to put me on ignore and then I sent him a pm.Well I would but it says e-mail notification was sent so I assumed he would know it was there not sure if he could read it even if he wanted to do?? I have sent another one and will wait and see
He hasn't received the pm.
My message tracking says it's unread and an email has been sent.
He hasn't received the email confirmation of the pm either and that pm was sent two hours ago.
Try it yourself with one of your buddies here.
So no matter how many pm's you sent to the brigadeer, he'll never know anything about them, you are wasting your time writing them unless he takes you off his ignore list, which I doubt given the fervour of his conviction.0 -
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