Were Catching England!!!

iasc

you wouldnt find many irish people with the same opinion as yours bizmark..

iasc

i've an idea, get a 'Like to see england do well in euro 2004' poll going

mike65

Originally posted by iasc
i've an idea, get a 'Like to see england do well in euro 2004' poll going

Nice One!

Mike.

Dewey

I'm a big Ireland fan and i think the thing with is England is that they are so cocky. they go into every tourament expecting to win it. And when they get knocked out they look for someone to blane.. i.e. Becks 98', Seaman 02'. Ireland, Scotland and Wales want to go to touraments for fans and players. But if England dont win, its a disaster and then we have to watch the 1966 World Cup final on BBC........AGAIN.

And there is nothing worse then hearing from sky or BBC,

" lets now talk about the other "home nations" starting with Ireland" that does my head in big time. If Scotland beat a big nation like holland, england take credit cause they are a "home nation". Sottish football fans hate that.

So maybe that is why fans want to see England lose!

phenom

i am glad to see Ireland doing good in the Rankings.If they had qualified for Euro 2004 i could see them up 1 or 2 more places.
Anyway fair play to them.

eirebhoy

I want to see England do bad for the simple fact that I want to better than them. The English think they are so much better than us when that isn't true. For, example, I was watching a TV program and it said "Can Ireland get anything against the French" (in the qualifiers) and on the exact same program "Can England beat the French" (in Euro'04).

I actually don't know the actual reason i want England to fail, its more the heart than the head TBH. I can't see myself changing, I will always be up for England's opposition (just like the Scottish, Welsh, Germans, Argie's, French, etc, etc, etc.).

iasc

maybe its just in our blood to hate the english...i actually like most english people i meet (bar londeners), just want them to lose though in sport and any other thing really

phenom

Originally posted by iasc
maybe its just in our blood to hate the english...i actually like most english people i meet (bar londeners), just want them to lose though in sport and any other thing really

yeah I have no problem with english people its just the english team that think they are better than us .

Big Ears

For some reson I just hate England with Beckham in the side ( cocky little prick ) But I dont when he's not for example last time he wasnt playing a comepetitive game for England and Owen was captain I found myself going for England .

But I also hate the way u would never hear the end of it if they won anything .
They even still talk about beckhams free-kick against greece saying it got them to the world cup when in actual fact with Finland drawing Germany a loss would still have left them top of the group .

The Brigadier

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Yes, because they are our rivals (in Soccer, Rugby etc.). Just like Manchester United hates Liverpool and vice versa. Quit crying about it, thats the way it is and nothing is going to change it.

There is a rivalry between Liverpool and Man Utd, yes....

England and Ireland are not rivals. A rivalry has to be two way. People in England are not pushed about Ireland really. There is as much interest in beating Ireland as there would be in beating Belgium!

People in England will cheer Ireland on however if they are playing somebody from outside the british Isles.
Take the world cup in 1994 for instance. During the tournament it was unusual not to see a pub in England decked out in shamrocks, tri-colours and posters cheering "Come on Ireland"

The people in Ireland who carry on this anti-englaish chip tend to be disadvantaged.

iasc

Originally posted by The Brigadier


The people in Ireland who carry on this anti-englaish chip tend to be disadvantaged.

that is a moronic statement

cournioni

Originally posted by The Brigadier
There is a rivalry between Liverpool and Man Utd, yes....

England and Ireland are not rivals. A rivalry has to be two way. People in England are not pushed about Ireland really. There is as much interest in beating Ireland as there would be in beating Belgium!

People in England will cheer Ireland on however if they are playing somebody from outside the british Isles.
Take the world cup in 1994 for instance. During the tournament it was unusual not to see a pub in England decked out in shamrocks, tri-colours and posters cheering "Come on Ireland"

The people in Ireland who carry on this anti-englaish chip tend to be disadvantaged.

Ok maybe the rivalry part was wrong. But how about ABU's? There are plenty of them around yeah? Give me a good reason why we can't hate cocky English teams that think that Ireland couldn't tie their boot laces. People in England cheer Ireland on because they think we aren't a threat to their chances of success. We are every bit as good as them, if not better. Maybe the pub you went to in England was something called an "Irish pub" no?

Away from everything else, English people are just as sound as everyone else, I have nothing against them. But they are unbelievably cocky when it comes to sport.

That last sentence you posted there is laughable.

zAbbo

Originally posted by The Brigadier
The people in Ireland who carry on this anti-englaish chip tend to be disadvantaged.

Mainly true, I support an English soccer team, and would be interested in watching England play, after all its like a sorta Premiership Fantasy team(bar the foreigners)

The people that boo them are usally simple minded morons.

Harry2001

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Ok maybe the rivalry part was wrong. But how about ABU's? There are plenty of them around yeah? Give me a good reason why we can't hate cocky English teams that think that Ireland couldn't tie their boot laces. People in England cheer Ireland on because they think we aren't a threat to their chances of success. We are every bit as good as them, if not better.

Where is this coming from?

The English media always give Ireland huge credit and I don't remember too many English players saying Ireland's players are not fit to tie their boot laces.

The English people that cheer Ireland on do it because they like the country and the people and probably like to see Ireland do well.

Agreed that there is nothing to seperate the teams on the pitch so why so bitter?

The Rooster

Its just the "nasty big brother syndrome".

There are the few RA head morons who genuniely hate the English, but most Irish people like to see them lose just because its funny what happens in the media - nothing even resembling mailicious about it. And when they win its pure horrible what happens in the media, and we of course are swamped with English media. Most Scots have the identical feeling regarding the English as most Irish do.

If you take the Rugby 6 Nations, if you ask each country, who would they most like to beat: Ireland, Scotland and Wales would all say England. But England would say France!

The Brigadier

Originally posted by iasc
that is a moronic statement

No this anti-english sentiment is moronic.

The people who trot out the 800 years of blah blah blah are mentally disadvantaged.

It's a game you twats!

ella minnow pea

Originally posted by The Brigadier

The people in Ireland who carry on this anti-englaish chip tend to be disadvantaged.

why, because they're not west brits called Uachtar Reoite O'Hennessy-Quinn....

It's a game you twats!

name one game that doesn't have rivalary?


i think one reason we like seeing them fail is cause they under acheive so much....if they were as bad as scotland I don't think we'd be as interested in their results in friendlies....

The Brigadier

Originally posted by ella minnow pea
why, because they're not west brits called Uachtar Reoite O'Hennessy-Quinn....

No because they are mentally disadvantaged enough to keep their small minded opions brewing away, and to think that anybody who doesn't share the same hatred, is some sort of English wannabee disgrace to Ireland...

Sort of the angle you are coming from above I feel

ella minnow pea

when you posted first it sounded like you obviously meant financially disadvantaged so I'd edit that if i were you

The Brigadier

Where does it say that?????

Are you "financially disadvantaged" with an axe to grind?

It's not my fault to want to read your own neurosis into other peoples comments....

I'll leave it as it is thank you very much.

The people with this 800 years attitude tend to be morally disadvantaged, mentally disadvantaged, ethically disadvantaged, shall I go on?

ella minnow pea

when people say a place is "disadvantaged" that means its poor

just trying to help ya out thats obviously why people had so much trouble with that line

yes, i have no money, thats why im on a computer....we got it free with 5kg of tesco value rice...

Big Ears

Originally posted by The Rooster


If you take the Rugby 6 Nations, if you ask each country, who would they most like to beat: Ireland, Scotland and Wales would all say England. But England would say France!

But France would say England too , and England wouldnt say themselves . So they obviosly pick their strongest opposition .

The Brigadier

No, disadvantaged is a politically correct term for someone who is lacking in an area.

Would you rather I said stupid scumbags?

talla

everyone chill out.

mike65

Y'know if its like this now I just hope the Mods are ready
for the tournament itself and have got the muppet spray
on hand....

Mike.

Jivin Turkey

Originally posted by ella minnow pea
when people say a place is "disadvantaged" that means its poor

Good thing he was talking about people when he said it then

As regards this hating England thing, I think its stupid. I support Liverpool, when England play I dont mind them doing well, its a bit hypocritical to cheer and English team and English players week in week out and then boo them when they represent their country.

And people who say that they would go on about it if the won the WC or something are a bit stupid. Imagine if we ever won it? Would we not do the exact same?

iasc

Originally posted by The Brigadier
No this anti-english sentiment is moronic.

The people who trot out the 800 years of blah blah blah are mentally disadvantaged.

It's a game you twats!

Lol relax...who ever said anything about 800 years, most people just like to see England lose at sport, if you can't understand that, then its probabaly because you're mentally disadvantaged

And if it's only a game then why are you getting so worked up about it, we know its a game and we think its fun when england lose

daveirl

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Big Ears

But do u like to see Northern Ireland do well ?

iasc

i couldnt care less about northern ireland, their fans are bigots, then you might say we're bigots because we hate the english, we dont hate the race we just want to see them lose, I'd support scotland or wales in a match though, because they're not arrogant winners, i'd have no time for the french either

uberwolf

Originally posted by Big Ears
But do u like to see Northern Ireland do well ?

thankfully the current state of the NI team means I'll never have to figure that out!

Pigman II

I Don't rate these rankings myself tbh. After all It's not much use being the '15th best team in the world' when you can't even qualify for a regional tournament that allows 16 EUROPEAN teams in and then to ridicule the system even further you are knocked out of your group by two teams (Russia 30th, Switzerland 47th) that are supposidly inferior to you.

Lets be clear that Ireland are only even 15th because we take friendlies too seriously. If we treated friendlies with the indifference that most other top teams in Europe do then I'd reckon we'd not even make the top 30 at this point.

To the people who can't understand why USA/Mexico are so high then just compare their consistancy at qualifying for tournaments to ours and you'll have you answer. Remember you can't get access to the big point scores in this system unless you make the finals. Qualify for every finals and you're pretty much guarenteed a high placing no matter how mediocre your team is (eg Spain, England, Mexico etc).

All in all this current ranking system should be scraped and another introduced that is based PURELY on competitive results over a maximum time-span of the previous four years. Then you'd see a truer value of the world game.

(BTW, I'm rooting for England and Latvia at Euro 2004, so there )

cournioni

Originally posted by Harry2001
Where is this coming from?

The English media always give Ireland huge credit and I don't remember too many English players saying Ireland's players are not fit to tie their boot laces.

The English people that cheer Ireland on do it because they like the country and the people and probably like to see Ireland do well.

Agreed that there is nothing to seperate the teams on the pitch so why so bitter?

You'll never hear a English team say that Ireland are better than them. No matter where Ireland are ranked. When was the last time Ireland lost to England (yet they still have the opinion that they are better than us). And you always get a number of English fans begrudging Ireland calling us the England B team. Don't tell me that it doesn't happen because it does, alot.

Big Ears

Originally posted by uberwolf
thankfully the current state of the NI team means I'll never have to figure that out!

1-1 with Serbia and Montenegro and were the better team in the match means NI are on the way up .

Unfortunately with their WC qualiying group they dont have a chance in hell of doing well for a while .

cournioni

Originally posted by iasc
Lol relax...who ever said anything about 800 years, most people just like to see England lose at sport, if you can't understand that, then its probabaly because you're mentally disadvantaged

And if it's only a game then why are you getting so worked up about it, we know its a game and we think its fun when england lose

Spot on

talla

Originally posted by iasc
Lol relax...who ever said anything about 800 years, most people just like to see England lose at sport, if you can't understand that, then its probabaly because you're mentally disadvantaged

iasc you are on your final warning on this board, no personal insults are allowed on this forum.

Also if people don't relax, this thread will be coming to an end very quickly

iasc

He called everyone twats...and i get the warning......what a joke

talla

fair enough iasc, brigadier warned also even though i understand his frustration at the anti english sentiment. This board is about soccer, any nationality should be able to feel comfortable to post here without being shouted down. That is the point i'm trying to make here.



edited to rephrase what i was trying to say

iasc

fair enough iasc, brigadier warned also even though he had every right to his opinion. This board is about soccer, any nationality should be able to feel comfortable to post here without being shouted down. That is the point i'm trying to make.



I know your trying to be fair here...but ur saying he was right to his opinion of calling everyone twats?...and i was not right to my opinion...i dont want to clutter up this thread with irrelevant posts....although thats probabaly too late now so, so if have a reply can u send it thorugh PM thanks..

eirebhoy

Originally posted by Pigman II
I Don't rate these rankings myself tbh. After all It's not much use being the '15th best team in the world' when you can't even qualify for a regional tournament that allows 16 EUROPEAN teams in and then to ridicule the system even further you are knocked out of your group by two teams (Russia 30th, Switzerland 47th) that are supposidly inferior to you.

I don't rate the rankings either but by your logic Brazil should never be beaten.

Villain

Originally posted by The Brigadier
No this anti-english sentiment is moronic.

The people who trot out the 800 years of blah blah blah are mentally disadvantaged.

It's a game you twats!

Talla replys

Originally posted by Talla

brigadier warned also even though he had every right to his opinion. This board is about soccer, any nationality should be able to feel comfortable to post here without being shouted down

Sorry tall mate but I just dont get ya here, the Brigadier personally insulted a lot of us, he may be entitled to his opinion but hes not entitled to call us twats and as for being shouted down! I think you'l find he was the one doing that.

I dont wanna get into politics here but he said people who trot out the 800 years of blah blah are mentally disadvantaged???

So people should just forget it then? I'm not saying people should continue to hate or seek revenge but I think if us Irish were to forget the 800 years of struggle then we could be called mentally disadvantaged.

The soccer forum was closed for this type of larky previously and I would hate to see the same happen again so maybe people who can't post without insulting people shouldn't post at all.:(

talla

Irish1, if you notice I edited my original comments as i phrased things badly. Also, regarding the whole 800 years thing, thats politics, nothing to do with soccer.

iasc

i think this thread spiralled badly from the beginning, it was a good discussion though...but it probabaly should be ended now

Villain

Originally posted by talla
Irish1, if you notice I edited my original comments as i phrased things badly. Also, regarding the whole 800 years thing, thats politics, nothing to do with soccer.

I know I quoted you on your revised edition, I dont wanna harp on but I do think he was way out of order.

talla

eh sorry but ya didn't.

sorry to be pedantic about it.

Pigman II

Originally posted by eirebhoy
I don't rate the rankings either but by your logic Brazil should never be beaten.

No, by my logic if a team wins a qualifying group then they are better than the team who came second, third etc.

Crazy, I know.

Pepe LeFrits

Originally posted by iasc
i couldnt care less about northern ireland, their fans are bigots

surely that was more warranting of a ban than his other comment?

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
You'll never hear a English team say that Ireland are better than them. No matter where Ireland are ranked. When was the last time Ireland lost to England (yet they still have the opinion that they are better than us). And you always get a number of English fans begrudging Ireland calling us the England B team. Don't tell me that it doesn't happen because it does, alot.

i would have thought that 1 world cup title and 2 major championship semi finals in the last 14 years would have suggested that they have no reason to think ireland are better. but i guess Ireland's record is pretty phenomenal.

you can dress it up all you like with endless little reasons but ultimately, irish people's dislike of the english team is based on two things: the nationalist brouhaha that's been circulated an awful lot over the past 150 years, and the fact that england have continually been the better team. It's a national inferiority complex, similar to Canada and the USA. The irish team is almost perpetually in the english team's shadow and irish people as a result dislike England for it, and are absolutely desperate to validate their own team.

gandalf

FFS the one thread I didn't read and its full of crap. I have noted the names involved in the little disagreements here and they better not come up on my radar again.

As for this whole hate England stuff I think its pathetic! Sure anytime Ireland play England I want us to beat them but tbh I will be rooting for them in Euro2004. My eyes were opened at the World Cup in Japan when I saw England fans travel to the match I was at to support Ireland.

As for rankings they mean nothing. What means something is qualifying for the big tournies and until Ireland do it on a regular basis we are nothing special. Remember this when your watching Euro 2004. I just hope to god they make it to Germany in 2006!!!

iasc

gandalf just because you dont want to see england lose, doesnt mean alot of people here dont, know whats the point in having a discussion forum if ur gonna tell people what there opnions are

gandalf

Now iasc I didn't mention you by name but I am now. You were warned about name calling by another mod and thats what I was refering to. The only reason you got access into this forum is because you had posted before and I didn't remember you causing problems. You step out of line one more time and I will ban you permanently from this board.

BTW it has nothing to do with my opinion of if you want England to lose or not. Your being warned because you are getting involved in causing hassle. I do not care if someone called you a name first, you report the abuse to the mods you do not start a flame war. Now if you don't like it do not post here anymore is that clear.