How to Cheat in the Leaving Cert

subway_ie

Originally posted by Kold
If you can beat the system, you deserve 500+ points

I suppose if somebody managed to steal your car/wallet/credit card/life savings, then they'd deserve it too, right?

Kold

I wouldn't count cheating in the leaving cert as harming/wronging anybody.

Funky

Originally posted by Kold
If you can beat the system, you deserve 500+ points

Amen.

subway_ie

Originally posted by Kold
I wouldn't count cheating in the leaving cert as harming/wronging anybody.

If you were deprived of your college place just because somebody cheated to get an extra 10-20 points, you wouldn't consider it as harming your future? I know I would.

Kold

Maybe you should've studied harder. I don't care, I'm using UCAS.

dangerman

Maybe you should've studied harder. I don't care, I'm using UCAS.

why are you posting then? i'm praying to baby jesus for all u people.

subway_ie

Originally posted by Kold
Maybe you should've studied harder. I don't care, I'm using UCAS.

And if you did actually study for english you would see the irony in that statement...

stuey

This thread just shows how desperate people really are. In litle over 8 hours there has been 479 views of this this thread along with 37 replies. It must be the fastest growing thread ever. Just do what Im doing - do the leaving cert the honest way.

subway_ie

Originally posted by stuey
This thread just shows how desperate people really are.

I think most of them are just desperate to avoid study at all costs. The others just think they don't need to study because they can cheat, so they just stay on here 24/7...

stuey

im here to avoid study at all costs. i cant study. have absoultly no attention span for something that doesn't interest me at all. Im deadly at the subjects im intrested in but **** at the other ones

subway_ie

Originally posted by stuey
im here to avoid study at all costs. i cant study. have absoultly no attention span for something that doesn't interest me at all. Im deadly at the subjects im intrested in but **** at the other ones

Nobody likes to study subjects they don't like... but they still have to do it. It's a bit stupid saying "I don't like this. It's too hard. I can't do it. I give up" when you're this close to the exams. The fact that you're deadly at the subects you're interested in just means you need to put more time into your weaker subjects. And soon.

stuey

its alway nice to get a bit of motivation from people. thanks subway

GoneShootin

subway_ie do you mind me asking how old are you ? I'm just wondering if you were always so sensible. Anyone that did the Leaving Cert in the last 10 years know the crazy pressure thats put on it, and I would have nothing against anyone that *considered* cheating.

Considering to cheat due to fierce pressure and not doing so because they know its wrong shows me far stronger character than someone who is always going to go by the rules.

subway_ie

GoneShootin - I'm 17, 18 end of July. Yes, I do know about the pressure leaving certs are under (since I'm a leaving cert...) and yeah, I think most people would consider cheating at some stage or another. But, I definetly don't think that people would act on it. I'm sure everybody has fantasised/thought of doing something unlawful at some point, but most would just think about it for a split second and put it out of their minds. People who actively encourage things like cheating in the leaving cert have a very messed up value system.

DS

yeah, I think most people would consider cheating at some stage or another. But, I definetly don't think that people would act on it. I'm sure everybody has fantasised/thought of doing something unlawful at some point, but most would just think about it for a split second and put it out of their minds.

If you didn't cop on to the Macbeth/Banquo parallel there get off the net and get out your english book

subway_ie

Yeah, but I don't think most people would have psycho bitch lady macbeth pushing them into it. Although I suppose some peoples mothers could be likened to her... And yes, I have been accused of being too pragmatic. More than once. But I do think that most people would have to moral strenght not to cheat. Wouldn't they?

AndrewWK

Originally posted by Kold
If you can beat the system, you deserve 500+ points

Never a truer word spoken.

claire h

Originally posted by subway_ie
But I do think that most people would have to moral strenght not to cheat. Wouldn't they?

In an ideal world, maybe.

But, okay, I can see how people might feel that the system sucks and that since they think it's unfair, it's really just evening out the playing field if they cheat. What they fail to realise is that we're all in the same boat, we're all doing the same exam, and that it'd be unfair to everyone else if they cheated - that it wouldn't be about getting one up on 'the system', but about hurting people that they actually know. I could understand something like a nationwide revolt against the exams to make a point, which would really be about attacking the system - cheating is just about personal gain.

Besides, think about how much better it'll feel to get your points from honest cramming-everything-in-the-eleven-days-beforehand rather than underhanded cheating.

And by the way, Banquo doesn't put it out of his mind. Banquo's more like a fifth year student who doesn't have to cheat just yet because he doesn't have much to gain from it, but he's prepared to let his sixth-year friend go ahead with it, and see how that goes. Little does he know that said sixth-year friend is going to hire two men to KILL HIM...

subway_ie

Those damn sixth years. Always with the murder.

Grimlock

During my french paper in my leaving cert the examiner turned his back on the class and fell asleep for 45 mins by a radiator, that would have been too easy to cheat but there were 2 or 3 people who would definitely have hung if anyone did cheat, so everyone carried on as normal.
I've never cheated, never even thought of it cos i'm the type of idiot that would get caught the 1st time I'd try. Too much to lose at too high a risk for me.
While I dislike cheaters getting college places above those didn't what RALLY pisses me of are the people who swat 24/7, regurgitate their paper get high points get into college only to realise that college is about understanding and not bruteforce learning and reguritation, so they drop out.
There must be a better system than the current rat race points system....

subway_ie

Originally posted by Grimlock
While I dislike cheaters getting college places above those didn't what RALLY pisses me of are the people who swat 24/7, regurgitate their paper get high points get into college only to realise that college is about understanding and not bruteforce learning and reguritation, so they drop out.
There must be a better system than the current rat race points system....

In fairness, it does take a bit more than just memorizing everything in order to get 500+ points. You need to be able to manipulate it, interpet, understand, but a large part of learning anything is being able to regurgitate. It depends what subjects you're doing - history, fine, you can probably just learn off full essays and reproduce them, but subjects like applied maths, physics, higher maths - they all require understanding and knowledge of the course to get a high grade.

I'm actually a bit shocked about the amount of people who would condone cheating, especially the likes of Grimlock, who think that learning/cramming is worse than cheating....

Grimlock

I NEVER said that I condoned cheating, infact if you had read my post properly you would have seen that I said the opposite.

While I dislike cheaters getting college places above those didn't (cheat)

AND I NEVER said anything bad about people who learn/cram, the leaving cert takes a lot of work and study.
So don't go putting words in my mouth.

What I was trying to illustrate was my frustration at people who "REGURGITATE", note I did not say learn, cram or understand!, and while there are some subject where regurgiation is difficult, there are a LARGE number which do lend themselves towards this technique, english, irish, history, geography, business off the top of my head, and that's five of the 6 subjects needed for the leaving cert (I know most people, me included, sit more than six).

The Leaving Cert is quiet possibly the stupidest exam in exuistance. It is not a test of intelligance rather a test of what you can recall. It destroys any want to learn.

I know people who are spending 7 and 8 hours a day studying. These people may get 600 points but in ten years time theyll be in unfulfilling jobs, living at home at still be socially retarded. ply

subway_ie

Originally posted by Grimlock
I NEVER said that I condoned cheating, infact if you had read my post properly you would have seen that I said the opposite.

My post wasn't very clear - what I meant was that people who condone cheating are bad. You said that you think people who just regurgitate annoy you more than people who cheat - thats what I was referring to, I wasn't saying that you condoned cheating.

What I was trying to illustrate was my frustration at people who "REGURGITATE", note I did not say learn, cram or understand!, and while there are some subject where regurgiation is difficult, there are a LARGE number which do lend themselves towards this technique, english, irish, history, geography, business off the top of my head, and that's five of the 6 subjects needed for the leaving cert (I know most people, me included, sit more than six).

The fact is, regurgitation is a large part of learning. You cant learn without memorising things. Some people take it to an extreme, but it's a necessary evil. Sure, understanding everything 100% would be great, but you just dont have time in a two year course.

nesthead

lying and cheating are far more worthwhile skills in modern society than memorisation and regurgitation of knowledge, especially with advances in data storage/ computing power.
the people who have to study religously have to be stupid to need to do that much work anyway.

dont tell give me any bull**** about immorality, look at those incredibly successful idiots in AIB who were unfortunate in getting caught. there is an incredible amount of corrupt people in the world, definatley in the majority.

we can once again fall back on good auld Macbeth to sort us out here;

"the liars and swearers are fools, for there are liars and swearers enow to beat the honest men and hang up them"

subway_ie

Does nobody else think that the general vibe of "there's nothing bad about cheating" or nestheads "there's nothing wrong with conning people out of millions of euro" is just a tad um... wrong?

Nesthead. I think you miss the general meaning of immorality and right vs. wrong. Just because some people in AIB are dishonest and have (allegedly) had some illegal dealings, then it doesn't mean that everybody else should follow suit. Your arguement sounds more like that of a 5 year old than a "mature adult".

claire h

"the liars and swearers are fools, for there are liars and swearers enow to beat the honest men and hang up them"

And then he was KILLED. Ha.

I know people who are spending 7 and 8 hours a day studying. These people may get 600 points but in ten years time theyll be in unfulfilling jobs, living at home at still be socially retarded. ply

Um, okay, biggest generalisation ever. Firstly, I know someone who's doing seven hours a day, bless her, and she's still holding down a more exciting social life than most people at this stage. Just because people can work hard for a while and do well in an exam doesn't mean that they'll end up unfulfilled and living dull lives. They'll get the courses they want, and they'll end up in a job they want - how on earth is getting to do what you want unfulfilling? I would think it's the people who end up in jobs that they *don't* want that are unfulfilled. Just because you can put aside crazy socialising for a short period of time doesn't mean you're doomed.

Does nobody else think that the general vibe of "there's nothing bad about cheating" or nestheads "there's nothing wrong with conning people out of millions of euro" is just a tad um... wrong?

Yes, it's wrong, but I'm cynical and know what these the-system-sucks-so-therefore-morals-don't-apply types are like.

Um, okay, biggest generalisation ever. Firstly, I know someone who's doing seven hours a day, bless her, and she's still holding down a more exciting social life than most people at this stage. Just because people can work hard for a while and do well in an exam doesn't mean that they'll end up unfulfilled and living dull lives. They'll get the courses they want, and they'll end up in a job they want - how on earth is getting to do what you want unfulfilling? I would think it's the people who end up in jobs that they *don't* want that are unfulfilled. Just because you can put aside crazy socialising for a short period of time doesn't mean you're doomed.

But the people I know who are doing this are social retards.
When we all took the evening off two weeks ago these people went to class and told where we were.
If you say anything about them then they will tell the principal or some teacher. What are they going to do next year when someone makes commments about them?

claire h

Originally posted by Darko
But the people I know who are doing this are social retards.
When we all took the evening off two weeks ago these people went to class and told where we were.
If you say anything about them then they will tell the principal or some teacher. What are they going to do next year when someone makes commments about them?

I think it's foolish to assume that people who are acting a particular way now, under the pressure of the exams and school, will always act that way. They might get past it. *shrugs* And it's still a lot to assume that they'll all end up unfulfilled.

DS

But the people I know who are doing this are social retards.
When we all took the evening off two weeks ago these people went to class and told where we were.
If you say anything about them then they will tell the principal or some teacher. What are they going to do next year when someone makes commments about them?

Yeah, right, and the fact that some of them do 7 hours study was just so relevant, and you weren't at all making a sweeping generalisation about people who happen to work harder than you. Why didn't you say that these people are also social retards instead of saying nothing about them other than how long they study for.