Payday Monday (5th): 50 Euro freeze out. NLH

whiteshadow

DITTO...
im up for dealing...
can i wear my green plastic visor?

Davey Devil

No offence to anyone who wants to deal or who has already been chosen for dealing, but if they are playing and dealing I don't see how they are going to do a better job than the rest of the players. It's not like your getting pro dealers in so in my opinion I think you should keep the money for the dealers for the prize money and let the players deal. Maybe have a dealer for the final table and players who have been knocked out deal but to have players playing and dealing defeats the purpose imo.

DeVore

heheh... yeah I strongly agree with the capacity for anonymous whistleblowing but strongly disagree with its usage. You'll never see me write or say something I wont stand over or accept as "mine" subsequently.

Given how much poker the lot of us play (myself not the least) I surely know sirchancealot... its a bit rude to not tell someone your name when you begin a discussion... has been since victorian times, nothing to do with the internet

DeV.

DeVore

How about I do what I please and you guys come or dont...

... dont know why I bother my hole sometimes.


DeV.

Davey Devil

Haha, that's the spirit. What happens when someone needs to moved to a new table and the dealer is the next big blind. Does he not move because they are the dealer?

Marq

In fairness Davey I didn't offer to deal because I would expect DeV to pay for it - I personally think that the money should go into the prizefund too. I'm offering to do it free cos it makes tournies run a lot smoother and, most importantly, faster. I certainly ain't looking for any money out of it (other than the large wad of cash i'll get for winning the thing).

sirchancealot

Btw, care to identify yourself, we're all mates here and I have this kinda thing about talking to people who remain anonymous...

Sure Im about 6ft and a real handsome guy...........is that any help?

The Merrion isnt a charity, its a business

Card rooms in general are not where casinos make money.I would suggest that when discussing this with the merrion that you allow them to make the offer and make no suggestion as to any form of rake,let them give their terms then remind them you are offering them new customers,who may at some point in their lives indulge in the games where the house has an edge.

I dont have a problem with guys prepared to deal all night getting some incentive but i also dont see a problem with making everyone deal for themselves and then leaving the money in the pot.I understand that initially this will slow the game down but I cant see this being a problem all night.

I think fwiw that €100 out of a "potential" pot of €1400 is quite a chunk of change.The incentive should be to play for a large payout,and that means it should be as big as possible.

Joking aside I was the bubble in last nights tourney.......................................got me?

Davey Devil

Originally posted by Marq
In fairness Davey I didn't offer to deal because I would expect DeV to pay for it - I personally think that the money should go into the prizefund too. I'm offering to do it free cos it makes tournies run a lot smoother and, most importantly, faster. I certainly ain't looking for any money out of it (other than the large wad of cash i'll get for winning the thing).

I understand that, the money isn't the issue. My opinon is that if the dealer is also playing it's not that much faster, it's better just to have everyone deal.

Edit: Your right though Dev, this is your set-up and you should do it how you please, I'll play no matter what.

DeVore

fair enough, sorry I'm just ratty today cos I didnt get to bed until 3:30 last night with the game and all and have a big deadline for my project today... didnt mean to be snappy.

As it happens I had already sorted it with a number of people to act as dealer if the Merrion doesnt supply them. (Btw, I may be a rookie at poker but I'm not bad at negotiating... I'll be playing the Fitz and the Merrion off against each other to our benefit).

However lets knock one thing on the head, I want to take Irish Poker by the scruff of the neck. Some of you might have seen me do it with the Irish Quake scene (along with some help from Eddie and Mp and the other lads...). We played internationals before any other country simply because I decided we would and a group got together to make it happen.

Well the same thing is happening with Irish Poker, and Paraic Parkinson got me going there last saturday, why *shouldnt* we be the next Liam Floods etc...
So, this is basically it, I'm going to go do a load of stuff and I'm not going to explain every last decision I make. To be honest everyone jumped to a conclusion because I hadnt even made a decision about this... I'll be playing this by ear but one thing I've learned is that I'm much better just going and doing what I think is right and fnck the begrudgers then trying to please everyone.

DeV.

Davey Devil

Yo go girl !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, all your work is much appricated by myself and I'm sure most of the board, this has the makings of a really good tourney.

whiteshadow

im like whatever.

was not offering for the chance of it being cheaper or anything.. just a speed thing.
if the dealer gets moved then someone else can step it up...
ah lets just go and see what happens.
many of these queries will be resolved after the first night of it.

Marq

I'll make this small cause it really isn't that important, nothing to see here, please move along.

I wouldn't agree Davey, for three reasons:

Some people are extremely slow at dealing. Others are faster. The inexperience of some people at shuffling etc definitely makes a round longer. The necessity for the player to your right to cut cards is also not there, and you'd be surprised at how much of a difference this makes time-wise.

The dealer being centrally placed can always deal cards quicker than those at the ends of the tables. You notice this when dealing is being passed around at free-rolls etc - if you're dealing at the end of the table you either have to very accurately deal the cards around from where you sit, or lay out the cards in front of you and then have other players slide them up to those at the far end of the table, which again takes more time.

Dealers also keep things ticking over by reminding people when they are shy, and hurrying up the game by organising sidepots instead of everyone butting in and a mess ensuing. It's a good thing to have one person in control of the table. It's less messy.

I also wouldn't agree that becuase dealers are playing aswell these advantages don't apply. particularly early on in a freeze-out I wouldn't be playing many hands, nor would others, and the slight delay that there might be during these hands is far outweighed by the benefits to the hands they're not involved in.

oh, and technically i am a professional dealer, just a particularly crap one:D

Davey Devil

Yeah, I see your point, but if your on my table and you don't give me Bullets :mad:

Marq

As I said to MadsL: You only have to ask...




and tip

DeVore

Btw... sorry the last post came off kinda weird ala "DeV is running this show". I've had help and lots of it, this wasnt even my original idea, I'm just leaping into the role of public face given my role on Boards.

If this works well we'll think about doing it again or something different or who knows what. I'm just mad for it now as Pudding would say

DeV.

careca

First of all, well done for organising this. Should be good night.
Second, I don't care about the costs, I will be playing anyway (my wife has agreed to that).

However, I would agree with DD that dealers should be moved if they are the next BB. I also think the dealer should be organised AFTER the seat draw is done, not before.

Then if someone (ie Marq) offers to deal for the table, great.

Has there been anything definite about the starting time ? A little birdie tells me it may be put back to 8 ??

MrPudding

Originally posted by DeVore
Btw... sorry the last post came off kinda weird ala "DeV is running this show". I've had help and lots of it, this wasnt even my original idea, I'm just leaping into the role of public face given my role on Boards.

If this works well we'll think about doing it again or something different or who knows what. I'm just mad for it now as Pudding would say

DeV.

Don't worry DeV I think I speak for all of us when I say we are priviliged to bask in your reflected glory:D

MrP

sirchancealot

There is no begrudgery intented in any of my posts,I complemented you on your selfess act of trying to organise this.I still think that the main aim of this should be to organise a tournament with as large a pot as possible and then watch it grow...and that unfortunatly means that your repayment should be the Kudos that goes with having gone about making this happen.

My advice fwiw is that you should really think about getting all tables to deal for themselves and as Davey suggested that people who are knocked out if they fancy dealing for the love of the game then they can take over the dealing.I dont think you can be offering sums of money to dealers or the merrion when there is as of yet no concrete proof of a prize pool even exceeding €1000.

I know someone who is good friends with the merrions owner if this helps at all i would have no hesitation to contact him and discuss the proposed deal.

DeVore

I'll be finding out all that tonight, I just need to talk to the Merrion again (the woman I was looking for wasnt there last night).

There is no problem with seating a dealer in seat one and everyone else picking a seat around him randomly, its exactly the same as being randomly seated and then rotating 4 seats or whatever until the dealer is in the centre. Trust me, do the math. No difference.

If a dealer is moved, he's moved. I'll have a think about that but in the end of the day the tournie will contract to 1 table and one dealer so inevitably there'll be one table with 2 dealers or a table without them... I think it will all work out anyway.
Lets just try it and see and then make suggestions afterwards, this is our first stab after all...

DeV.

Marq

Of course, if DeV already has his dealers sorted out, there's no need to give them random seats. It doesn't matter if one player has their seat predetermined, as long as everyone else's seat position is drawn randomly, as it's still totally random when you think about it.

We've probably gotten a bit off-topic here. It could be my fault.

Anyway, DeV have any more facts and things we need to know before monday. And what do you think the chances are of the Merrion allowing some HCGA afterwards?
Yeah, didn't think so.

careca

Sorry, don't mean to be picky, but I wasn't talking about the dealer's seating arrangments.

What I meant was if (and this is an IF) DeV, Marq, Muso, Davey Devil and Me (as examples) were 'designated' dealers then we all avoid each other early on, rather than a random draw for tables.

Marq

christ on a bike, the man's right. I stand corrected. that's a dilly of a pickle. (although there are a few players I wouldn't mind avoiding)

DeVore

you lot have too much spare time....

DeV.

careca

I reraise that to 'WAY too much spare time'

Marq

Quite true - I have loads of spare time. It's called working in a theatre box office.

karlh

All in!

jesus.

cormie

I don't really want to pay €50 to a tournament where there will be people who can't deal, dealing. I don't want to see the bottom card and I don't want the guy next to me to see it either. For the amount of money that's involved, you need good dealers who can shuffle quick and well who can keep on the game and who can deal fast.

I'd offer to deal but I feel it would distract my game. As you all know, €50 is allot to me so I don't want the math of pot sorting to get in the way of pot odds.

I would gladly deal if I was knocked out and I didn't have to be anywhere the next day.

Actually, I'd probably deal anyway I'm sure a table of 10 can sort pots out reasonably quick.

I wouldn't expect to tip myself after winning the money, so that obviously aint a problem;) hehe


Like you Dev, I don't have allot of time, so once all details are sorted, could you please delete this thread and post a new one with the set rules that everyone has to abide by (or else not come)

Thanks!!

Lafortezza

Originally posted by cormie
I don't really want to pay €50 to a tournament where there will be people who can't deal, dealing. I don't want to see the bottom card and I don't want the guy next to me to see it either. For the amount of money that's involved, you need good dealers who can shuffle quick and well who can keep on the game and who can deal fast.

Then don't fucking come.

cormie

Read my whole post pleae.

Lafortezza

A good while ago alot of people were complaining about the all-in craziness of the rebuy tournaments in the Fitzwilliam and the Merrion, the freerolls especially. If you were short of cash it put you at a big disadvantage against a table of players who had no problem throwing €70 at the chance of getting a ticket to the big game.

We all agreed that it would be great if either casino organised a €50 freezeout tournament. The €100 freezeouts currently in the Fitz and Merrion were a touch too much for the majority of us. It would mean you knew exactly how much you were going to spend, everyone was on an even footing, people with deep pockets would have no advantage on the rest of us and above all it would mean the prize fund would still be well worth winning.

Well guess what, a few people got off their asses saw an opportunity to set up this tournament, and went and fucing did it. They approached the casino and made them understand that it was a good thing, there's lots of interest, the casino gets new members, people who will play other tournaments, throw a fiver at blackjack etc etc.
And what did the casino have to do? Supply tables and chips, didn't need to advertise, try to attract punters, organise shite all basically. The tournament is run at an otherwise quiet time as well (if it gets moved from mondays).

It will cost you a fiver to register. The same rate of registration as every other tournament, €3 for the €20 game, €10 for the €100 game. If you have major problems with the organisation, dealers, etc etc don't bother turning up.
This isn't a casino thinking this is a good idea for a tournament. Its people you often play with who are bothered to organise a game everyone wants because they are mates. Because they love poker and want to get involved.

So if you don't like it, don't fucking come.