Champions League seedings - wtf

Pepe LeFrits

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/champions_league/3887597.stm

Arsenal and Manchester United have retained their place among the group of top seeds in the Champions League.
But Liverpool and Chelsea will be in the pot of second seeds with the likes of AC Milan, Juventus, Roma and Inter.

Uefa seedings for the Champions League:

1. Real Madrid
2. Valencia
3. Barcelona
4. Manchester United
5. Bayern Munich
6. Deportivo La Coruna
7. Arsenal
8. Porto
9. AC Milan
10. Liverpool
11. Juventus
12. Internazionale
13. Roma
14. Lyon
15. Chelsea
16. PSV Eindhoven

19. Celtic
25. Rangers

AC Milan 9th?!? Madrid, Valencia, Barcelona the top 3, and Deportivo completing the spanish domination with 6th seed.

Apparently having a brutal season is the way to go...

KdjaCL

Think its based on finance rather than football


kdjac

Raskolnikov

Liverpool seed above Chelsea? I don't understand, they made good progress in the Champions League and finished second in the league.

PHB

argh so much wrong!!!
So much!!

Top Seeds(People I think can win it)

Real Madrid
Valencia
Barca
Man U
Arsenal
AC Milan(DUH!)
Chelsea
Bayern Munich

Second Seeds:
People who are if they play well might get to the semis, or even the final

Deportivo La Coruna(not really though)
Porto
Liverpool(not really though)
Juventus
Internazionale
Roma(not really though)
Lyon(not really though)
PSV Eindhoven(not really though)

As for the top seeds and in what order they should be in,

AC Milan(Once again DUH!)
Valencia
Real Madrid
Arsenal
Man U
Barca
Chelsea
Bayern Munich

Big Ears

I beleive the previous winners should always be seeded first .

Manchester Utd 4th , I know im not exactly a fan of Man Utd but come on ........4th:eek: .


3rd in the Premiership , won the FA Cup and knocked out in the last 16 of the Champs League .

Ac Milan should be top seeds , PSV Eindhoven rated above Ajax !!! (Ajax won the league and all . )

The first 3 clubs being Spanish .

Something tells me that money was invloved in putting teams where they are .

irishgeo

Originally posted by Big Ears
I beleive the previous winners should always be seeded first .

Manchester Utd 4th , I know im not exactly a fan of Man Utd but come on ........4th:eek: .


3rd in the Premiership , won the FA Cup and knocked out in the last 16 of the Champs League .

Ac Milan should be top seeds , PSV Eindhoven rated above Ajax !!! (Ajax won the league and all . )

The first 3 clubs being Spanish .

Something tells me that money was invloved in putting teams where they are .

Valencia are broke , thats one of the reason Mr. Beneitz left to join liverpool.

Maybe you should read you sig again as thats the only way the teams are where they are.

Big Ears

I didnt say Valencia were the ones dishing out the money .

3 Spanish sides in top 3

2 were only playing in the UEFA Cup last season .

and who would have control Spanish sides beside UEFA and FIFA ?

irishgeo

Originally posted by Big Ears
I didnt say Valencia were the ones dishing out the money .

3 Spanish sides in top 3

2 were only playing in the UEFA Cup last season .

and who would have control Spanish sides beside UEFA and FIFA ?

sorry my mistake.

Are theese clubs G14 members. UEFA are **** scared of them.perhaps that why liverpool are a head of Chelski.

Sposs

Seedings are based on how clubs have done in europe in the past ,which for Utd has been excellent,hence the high seeding.

bucks73

The seedings are based on UEFAs coefficient ranking of all clubs. Those with the better records in European competitions over the last few seasons will have a higher coefficient, hence the higher seeding.

This seasons coefficient doesnt seem to be published yet but here is last seasons:

Top group: 1 AC Milan (Ita, holders, 97.155), 2 Real Madrid (Spa, 151.769), 3 Manchester United (Eng, 136.170), 4 Bayern Munich (Ger, 124.566), 5 Lazio* (Ita, 106.155), 6 Arsenal (Eng, 105.170), 7 Juventus (Ita, 100.155), 8 Deportivo La Coruna* (Spa, 98.769).

Second group: 9 Inter Milan (Ita, 93.155), 10 Porto (Por, 86.791), 11 Celta Vigo* (Spa, 86.769), 12 Galatasaray* (Tur, 78.495), 13 Lyon (Fra, 76.734), 14 Panathinaikos (Gre, 72.391), 15 Borussia Dortmund* (Ger, 70.566), 16 Chelsea* (Eng, 70.170).

Third group: 17 PSV Eindhoven (Hol, 60.749), 18 Celtic* (Sco, 57.187), 19 AEK Athens* (Gre, 56.391), 20 Dynamo Kiev (Ukr, 55291), 21 Ajax Amsterdam * (Hol, 54.749), 22 Olympiakos (Gre, 54.391), 23 Newcastle* (Eng, 51.170), 24 Rangers* (Sco, 50.187)

Fourth group: 25 Sparta Prague* (Cze, 49.975), 26 Olympique Marseille* (Fra, 49.734), 27 Stuttgart (Ger, 49.566), 28 Locomotive Moscow* (Rus, 49.520), 29 Slavia Prague* (Cze, 48.975), 30 Real Sociedad (Spa, 47.769), 31 Monaco (Fra, 45.734), 32 Besiktas (Tur, 33.495)

Apart from Milan as holders everyone else is in order according to their coefficient. If they stuck entirely to the rankings last season Milan would only be 9th seed as their record over the past few seasons is not good. Its clear to see why they are back in 9th position this season. Apart from winning it they have done almost nothing else along with all the other Italian clubs for the last five or six years.

The teams that qualify for the latter stages every season will always be ranked highly even if they do not win it or people think they are crap. UEFA do not look at domestic trophies or finance or who they think will have a good team. Its all mathematical. Except of course when deciding where to seed the holders.

As for this season UEFA probably feel that Porto would not justify being the top seed as their record isnt great apart from last season along with the fact that the manager and a number of players are gone.

IMO the top 6 seeds have been the most consistent performers in European competitions for the last five or six years and the coefficient will show that when it is published.

kida

Valencia were finalists recently and coupled with Spains dominance before last year -is the reason for their high seeding.

Surprised AC are not higher though - guess has a lot to do with the Italians clubs record

Big Ears

Still dosent explain why PSV are higher than Ajax in the rankings .

they must have had a lot of success in the Uefa cup without winning the thing .

who remembers semi finalists of the Uefa cup ? .

bucks73

Originally posted by Big Ears
Still dosent explain why PSV are higher than Ajax in the rankings .

they must have had a lot of success in the Uefa cup without winning the thing .

who remembers semi finalists of the Uefa cup ? .

Its pretty clear who has the better record between the two:

PSV:
03/04 CL: Group Stage 3rd Place UC: Quarter-Final
02/03 CL: First Group Stage 4th Place UC: Did Not Qualify
01/02 CL: First Group Stage 3rd Place UC: Quarter Final
00/01 CL: First Group Stage 3rd Place UC: Quarter Final

Ajax:
03/04 CL: Group Stage 4th Place UC: Did not Qualify
02/03 CL: Quarter Final
01/02 CL: Third Qualifying Round
00/01 CL: Did Not Qualify UC: Second Round