Bring Back Dev !!

careca

Any bad beat stories from last night (22/07) or did anyone get a ticket ? As you can tell I'm bored.:o

Kelter

To get a bad beat one must get some cards, therefore, as such, I have nothing to say!

amp

Be careful what you wish for...........

Lafortezza

jesus! wait til you hear what happened to me last night!!
It was down to the last 3 tables about 25 players, we started with 89 players, a new record I think!

anyway, I had 66 in early position, wanted to steal the blinds so went all-in.everyone folded but norman in the BB who says "I probably shouldn't call but I have to.."
He has AK diamonds. Flop comes Q22. Turn puts two diamonds on teh board. River brings him his flush!!!! :eek: can't believe it!!! a pair against 2 overcards lost!!! what are the odds??

I must apologise to Davey for busting him with AA against his JJ. He's just not getting any luck at cards these days. Even the other guy in the hand who went all-in with 10 7 offsuit won the main pot while I got the side pot....

Anyone know when DeV is back? I miss busting him out on the bubble of the BSOP..

Marq

lol. I got a ticket. There were 7 x €250 and 8th place got €70. Poor Oscar went out 9th. An unholy amount of luck, and some good poker, saw me through to the final table with 40,000 in chips, so it was almost plain sailing to the ticket. I was pleased with how I played though, considering that until the final table the best hand I had seen was a pair of tens, and ace queen (which I went all-in against Ace King with and hit my queen).

Only interesting hand was when the short-stacked guy to my right went all-in for 10K. I was 99% sure he had A-x, and I looked down to see Big Slick. He was under the gun, I was UTG+1, so there were still 7 players to act. I saw some short stacks (more than 10k though) and decided that I didn't want to give anyone else the chance to raise all-in, as even though I was prepared to spend 10K, I wouldn't have put out anymore, even with AK, as the risk of then becoming short-stacked myself was too great. So I pushed all-in, showing strength and putting the decision on other people. No-one called. So that was objective one complete. Yer man flips over ace seven, i'm miles ahead, he hits a seven on the river. Norman goes ballistic at me for raising the pot. I politely tell Norman to fúck off [I'm not in the business of helping Norman win a ticket].

The way I saw it was that against the all-in player, I was 4-1 favourite (which it turned out I was), but with anyone else in the pot my odds would be nowhere near as good. I gave myself the best chance of winning the pot, for the least investment. Had there been eight players left, I would have simply called, because it doesn't matter who wins the pot, as long as the guy all-in goes out. But with two players left to the tickets, I couldn't afford to be crippling my own stack and giving other players more chips which puts me in a position where I'm the short stack. That I lost the pot doesn't affect my thinking on it - 4 out of 5 times I would have won. Managed to get back to almost 50,000 within a few hands so I was sitting pretty then.

What are people's opinions on this play? would anyone else have pushed all-in in this situation?

Hyzepher

I would of done the same - and so would have Norman.

Hyzepher

Lafortezza

Originally posted by Marq
Yer man flips over ace seven, i'm miles ahead, he hits a seven on the river. Norman goes ballistic at me for raising the pot. I politely tell Norman to fúck off [I'm not in the business of helping Norman win a ticket].

What are people's opinions on this play? would anyone else have pushed all-in in this situation?

Play it anyway you want to. Don't ever listen to norman or any of the other old-skoolers in there when they give you a bollicking for playing like this. Poker is not a team game so you don't owe anyone any favours by helping them out.
You thought you had the best of it and you thought the best way to play the hand was to be heads-up against the all-in player.
It turns out he had the worse hand that caught a river card to win. That's poker for you.

The time not to bet out when there's a player all-in is when you have nothing. But as soon as you think you have the best hand, then do what you want.

cormie

Yo,
Just wondering. Do I have to use my ticket next week or can I use it next month? I have to go to apprentice course starting monday for the next 5 months so I don't know what commitments I'll have to keep. You got lucky indeed marq;) If I want to sell it, how would I go about doing so?

Marq

You'll have to ask Luke about whether or not you could use it next month. Otherwise, it is extremely easy to sell. Just go in on thursday evening and offer it for 240 to someone who's about to register. they'll take it, I guarantee you.

And when the best hand you've seen in the last hour is King Six, sometimes you deserve to get lucky. With 89 players, I personally don't think luck is enough, and I think I made my moves at the right time.

cormie

I'm just talking about the 2nd last table;) You played well on the last one. €240. So Tempting. I really need cash at the moment. Although prize money of 7K aint to be sneared at. Decisions decisions.

Batbat

Originally posted by lafortezza
Play it anyway you want to. Don't ever listen to norman or any of the other old-skoolers in there when they give you a bollicking for playing like this. Poker is not a team game so you don't owe anyone any favours by helping them out.
You thought you had the best of it and you thought the best way to play the hand was to be heads-up against the all-in player.
It turns out he had the worse hand that caught a river card to win. That's poker for you.

The time not to bet out when there's a player all-in is when you have nothing. But as soon as you think you have the best hand, then do what you want.

Im confused whats wrong with raising the pot when someone is all in, also why raise when somone is all in? did not think that was possible?

Marq

Batbat: You can raise when a player is all-in if there are still players yet to act after you. If nobody calls this reraise then you just leave in the amount that covers the all-in bet. If somebody does call, or even raises, a side-pot is created into which betting can still continue. The player who is all-in can only win the main pot, ie, the amount that he has bet multiplied by the number of callers plus any blinds that weren't completed.

Originally posted by cormie
I'm just talking about the 2nd last table;) You played well on the last one.

I very much don't like the implication that I played badly at the 2nd last table Cormie. Not that it matters or anything, or that I care what you think, but I did have more chips than anyone else when that table broke.

cormie

I'm not saying you played badly. I'm saying you got lucky. Not too lucky but you were underdog in allot of hands.

henbane

Originally posted by cormie
I'm not saying you played badly. I'm saying you got lucky. Not too lucky but you were underdog in allot of hands.

Could you be anymore of a smug git? Show us your fucking wisdom and tell us about the hands, oh poker god!

cormie

Originally posted by henbane
Could you be anymore of a smug git? Show us your fucking wisdom and tell us about the hands, oh poker god!

What's up with you? I'm simply agreeing with Marq that he got lucky in a few underdog positions. So agreeing that he played well and that he got lucky makes me a smug git?

cormie

Originally posted by cormie
I'm just talking about the 2nd last table;) You played well on the last one

Looking back that does make it look like I was saying you played badly on the 2nd last table. I didn't mean that. I was simply referring to your luck on the 2nd last table and simply stating you played well on the last. You also played well on the 2nd last. Sheesh.

karlh

lets get some chips and cards and sort this out man to man!!!

if only.....everyone's on tilt today!

it's friday guys, chill out......

and take €240 cash btw and invest it in some 20/50 games

cormie

I don't know. I'd love to just go for it and see if I can finally win some cash. the 250 probably aint the best place to do it. The prize money is so tempting. I'll probably walk out the casino door wishing I had have just sold it.

biteme

but the 270 game is great fun, I say play it.


(admittedly I did come third in it last month)

cormie

What exactly is the prize money structure like?

I had a dream I was playing it last night. I won it. I had 8 10 of diamonds, flopped two pair hit an 8 on the river. It was a 6 making someone else a straight I think but it turned into an 8 when I looked at it more. Then I sat down at the cash game and won a bit too:) For some reason we were playing up on a truck or something in a field.

Hyzepher

Originally posted by cormie
What exactly is the prize money structure like?

I had a dream I was playing it last night. I won it. I had 8 10 of diamonds, flopped two pair hit an 8 on the river. It was a 6 making someone else a straight I think but it turned into an 8 when I looked at it more. Then I sat down at the cash game and won a bit too:) For some reason we were playing up on a truck or something in a field.

Well I've heard it all now

Hyzepher

Marq

Last month there was 14,750 in the prize fund from 59 entries. 8th and 9th took 400 each. Then 7th - 3rd each got 1,500, and first and second took 3,000 each. 450 was given to the dealers. It's just like any other tournament. The prize structure is dependent on the total pool and deals are allowed. There's usually over 15K. All nine places at the final table get paid, a minimum of 400 is par for the course. As far as I can remember, when Davey Devil won it two months ago, he took home the best part of €8,000.

cormie

Temptation is building. 3K aint that much considering Dappergent took home half that for 1/5th of the entry fee in the Merrion (he did win €1500 right?)

The 8K win by Davey is really encouraging though. Imagine winning 8k! WOW! that would just make me poo.

Hyzepher

and your chances are ...?

Hyzepher

cormie

I was in it before and I was just battered out of it. well it was a bad beat but I feel I could have played better. The 100FO on monday I was playing well until I lost the plot. There will be allot of players in the 250 better than me so I don't know if I'm ready to take them on again (and lose, again). If I did win though I would just be soo happy and it would make such a difference to my financial situation at present (bank account was €25 last time I checked and Focus Ireland have probably taken the last centage by now). It would mean a helluva lot to win.

Corben Dallas

dont see anything wrong with that call, It was a bit risky tho' running the gauntlet of any other who might have a big pair pre flop. The big bet scared them off, but u could have picked up an unwanted caller with a big hand.

IMO is just even more riskier cause theres an all-in guy who gets to see all the cards and u have to beat him at the end.

Tho' with AK (unsuited?) its a fairly big hand, and i would prob do the same (probably)

Some of the Regs who are there every other nite feel its their right to go tut tut at every hand they dont agree with. feck off -In Poker its every man/wimmen for themselves. If the arent goin to offer fair constructive comment then save their breath.
So there.

Oh and Marq yur a Fruit Loop
(see meat popiscle comment in previous thread)

Marq

Originally posted by cormie
that would just make me poo.

That's just fúcking wierd.
I think you should sell it. You don't sound at all confident that you could go on to win the money, just in love with the idea of it. More importantly, you give the impression that you need money at the moment. If you had won €250 in cash last night would the idea of playing the big one with it even cross your mind? If not, don't play. It's often said that you should never play with money that you can't afford to lose, and it definitely strikes me that you would be thinking more about the money and less about the poker because of that pressure.

Then again, I hear it's a really enjoyable game. I'm looking forward to playing it for the first time. I've no delusions of grandeur, I know I'm far from being one of the best players in the field, but I'm playing more to enjoy a good tough Freeze-out than I am to win the money. I'll take the money though. Play solidly and get a bit of luck and even Biteme can get 1,500 bills. Good practice for monday week though.

Dapper won 800 or 900 last month, small deal done at the end.

corben - fifth element, police to corben dallas: "are you human?" Corben Dallas: "no, I'm a meat popsicle." You're dead right though, I am a fruit loop, a fruit loop to the BONE baby!

Davey Devil

Well done on winning the tickets last night lads. There was a good hand between me and Cormie with 2 jacks on the board, I had 7 high by the way Cormie, although knowing some of the hands you play I could have had you beat.

All those pocket Aces Luke and you still didn't win a ticket? Forget about my bad spell, I think you might be cursed.

I'd encourage anyone to play the 250 if they win a ticket. When Charlie won a ticket to Chocolate Factory did he sell it?? Hell no and that poor bugger was broke.

Last month was a poor attendence because of the 500 game in The Merrion, I'd expect it to be back around 80 entries this month. Now all I need is to go buy a few more chocolate bars and hope I can win a trip there too.

cormie

You could have had me beat alright Davey. That's all I'm saying;) The guy next to Luke (not me, the other guy) said he had a J so chances are, I didn't. Mwuahahahaha. Now that just sounds like I'm trying to make you think I didn't. Who knows?

Anyway, the whole money thing. When I think of it this way: If I had €2,700, would I try the €270 tournie 10 times at the hope of making about 7k 1 out of 10 times. I wouldn't. Definitely not. I just don't have the bankroll for such a high game. So I think what I'm going to do is go in on the Thursday night, play the early freeroll. See how I do in that, if I get another ticket, I'll sell 1 and play with the other. If I don't win a ticket I'll enter a €30 freezeout for a ticket (like they had last month). If I win I enter the tournie. If not, I sell my ticket. So basically I'll only enter the 270 if I get another one between now and then. Unlikely. I think selling it bankroll wise is the sensible move.

You're right mark, if I won €250 cash, I wouldn't even consider going to the 270. It's just the fact that that's what I won it for and the temptation of prize money. 80 people would be €20,000+!! But my bankroll just aint ready for that.

DeVore

I already have my ticket so you kids are just playing catch up... I'm on my way home to school you all and take that 8k....


*FEAR*





DeV.

MadsL

^
"Worst player, ever!" - Norman

I did one worst again last night, and bowed out 13th. Better than if I had allowed Norman to goad me into protecting my BB with Q4o - I told him my number wasn't up yet...(it was 14 on the display at the time)

Couple hands later I see AK and its all-in and all over...bah! Hate AK.

Significant hand that put me down but not out was pocket 7s - I raised 3K - one caller, short stacked, we get 69T on the flop - we both checked - turn is 8 - I raise 2K expected him to fold, to my suprise I am flat called. River is inevitably a 7. Man, am I pissed with a split pot. I'm stunned when he raises all-in (1500) I know I shouldn't call, but I have to know if he has it. And he does - a fúckin J-high straight.

Lesson learned with the loss of 6.5K in chips - go all-in, before the lucky feckers outdraw you....