Why I think Bush will be re-elected

TomF

The columns conceding the coming US presidential election to George W. Bush are beginning to appear more and more often now and here's a new one. I only wish Paddy Powers had better odds so I could make some real money on all the bettors who would be willing to put their money where their mouths are!

WHY KERRY WILL LOSE THE ELECTION

"John Kerry will lose this election, and he will do so decisively. The defeat will go down as perhaps the only thing this candidate has ever done decisively.
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Following the [Democratic Party's national convention], polls were all over the place: Some showed no postconvention increase for Kerry at all, and others had a bounce so small it was within the margin of error. But the most seriously devastating of all them all was the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll. In that survey of likely voters, President Bush led Kerry 50 percent to 46 percent. Ouch -- that's gotta hurt. A Newsweek survey did show some good news for Kerry, who picked up a few points in that vote. The bad news? It was the most dreadful showing of any postconvention bounce in the decades since the newsmagazine began measuring such shifts.

The Associated Press reported that its analysts say Bush is leading in electoral votes today. The weeks following the convention should be the high point of any candidate's campaign, so that's another sad marker.
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No war president has ever lost an election in the United States, and it's unlikely this will be the case now. Until recently, the Democrats uttered a great deal of rhetorical propaganda about their contention that Bush 'lied' about the war of liberation in Iraq: He lied about intelligence; he lied about WMDs. He lied, lied, lied. Everyone from the head of the Democratic Party to Michael Moore has delivered this mantra for the last three years.

Now that the bipartisan 9/11 Commission has come out with its final report, which vindicated the president, you don't hear that much about lies anymore. The report says there were no lies. Bad intelligence, yes; lies, no. Unfortunately, much of the damage has been done, as Bush's 'lies' have now become an urban legend, ingrained in the minds of many."

by Adam Sparks
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2004/08/09/asparks.DTL

Tomf
You must be joking if you think the article you linked is unbiased.
Just look at the rubbish in it regarding Kerry in Vietnam.
It's like linking to an Phoblacht to support the idea that if there was a referendum in NI in the morning, there would be a majority in favour of a united Ireland.

It reminds me of the fox coverage of the democratic convention.
When Jimmy Carter was at the height of his lambasting of the idiot Bush, they cut to their panel to discuss how bad the convention was going for the democrats :rolleyes: when all the other networks continued with the live feed.

Later that opinionated self righteous Bush supporter lady fox presenter( whose name escapes me like the value I put on her opinions ) asked one of Kerrys vietnam buddies did he resent the fact that Kerry only spent 4 months in Vietnam whereas he( the man she interviewed ) was there for 18 months
He replied saying no because Kerry had to go home after taking 2 bullets to save Kerrys friends life.
The self righteous presenter never flinched and moved on to ask if any of his colleagues thought it was cynical that Kerry was using his vietnam record in the campaign...
Not a word of analysis on Bushes comparative lack of capabilities and "war" record.
Theres more of that shoite every day from people who want Bush returned for no apparent reason.... or worthwhile reason that I've heard them say.

Spacedog

it'd be funny if Kerry turned out to be the next Hitler, starts world war 3 and destroys the world with nukes. (having a bit a 'Dead Zone' moment). Still be better than Bush though! he'd have my vote still

Better to die slowly in the bitter frost of an eternal nuclear winter than listen to that 'tard for another 4 years.

MeatProduct

I think the only way the world is gonna get unfuked is if Bush gets in again and people get so upset about that that it causes a revolt and a whole new system of government is set up. Naturally Bush gets gang raped in the process.

Nick

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Hobbes

TomF wrote:

The columns conceding the coming US presidential election to George W. Bush are beginning to appear more and more often now and here's a new one.

Strange.. because when I go to google news and type Bush Leads Race, most of the news stories are about how Kerry is in the lead.

Btw, the muppet who gave me negative rep for the last post.. it did nothing to my score. That is how much your opinion is worth. You have a problem with what I post say so either in a comment or in a reply.

chill

TomF wrote:

The columns conceding the coming US presidential election to George W. Bush are beginning to appear more and more often now

Eh... wrong. As someone who reads all the major US newspapers and quite a lot of US news TV, there are very very few columns that come anywhere near expressing this view.
Kerry is ahead in most polls, if slightly. The last minute break aways goes the challenger's way and the economy is showing increasing signs of remaining dead in the water especialy where jobs are concerned.
The truth is this election will be neck and neck all the way and it will all come down to two things - whether Bush can frighten the voters sufficiently, and who gets out the vote better.
I suspect that the Democrats wil be far more motivated to vote this time than the Republicans and my preduiction is Kerry by three points.

Hey...!! Can we somehow start a prediction tab for the election now ? and everyone pick their best guess at the result and the percentage spread ?

elivsvonchiaing

MeatProduct wrote:

I think the only way the world is gonna get unfuked is if Bush gets in again and people get so upset about that that it causes a revolt and a whole new system of government is set up. Naturally Bush gets gang raped in the process.

Nick

I've only once watched a porno video (at a stag details boring). Bush being gang-raped I would class as art and well hell - just wish I could pre-order that!

Sadly I think he'll get in again and gang-rape us and the earth :mad:

vorbis

I see Bush winning unless Kerry finds some actual policies he can use. Simply not being Bush is going to get tiring to the electorate by the time November comes around. Also whats with the ludricous comments about world destruction. Its quite puzzling that irish people are losing their grip on reality over a foreign head of state.

MeatProduct

vorbis wrote:

Its quite puzzling that irish people are losing their grip on reality over a foreign head of state.

Could you put that into a form that makes sense or that somehow applies to our current dimension.

Thanks,

Nick

ixoy

I'm afraid our old detestable pal will get in, based on Kerry's sheer dullness. However, it is a bit hard to tell. Now given that we're fairly certain a lot of the states were almost unconstestable (NE to Kerry, South nearly all to Bush), has there been any polls that canvas opinion in the key swing states and get a real idea of what's involved and who is in the lead? Given the way the electorate system works in the U.S. all thes polls about X% of voters are pretty meaningless.

vorbis

what I mean Meatproduct is that some people are getting highly melodramatic over an election that irish people have no input in. I just though that it was pretty amusing.

MeatProduct

vorbis wrote:

what I mean Meatproduct is that some people are getting highly melodramatic over an election that irish people have no input in. I just though that it was pretty amusing.

We should have input since this election could spell the end for our way of life! Seriously!

Nick

vorbis

that wasn't melodramatic at all.
Bush isn't going to end our way of life.

Hobbes

vorbis wrote:

what I mean Meatproduct is that some people are getting highly melodramatic over an election that irish people have no input in. I just though that it was pretty amusing.

Yea, it is even more amusing when that head of state has the ability to totally fuk up the world and you never got to vote for him.

MeatProduct

vorbis wrote:

that wasn't melodramatic at all.
Bush isn't going to end our way of life.

Well on the weekend I put off a trip to the countryside since petrol costs so much now. Can you tell me that that is not affecting my way of life? Bush increased the price of oil. Bush has already changed peoples lives in many countries by killing family members. Bush does not heal the world Vorbis, he is a sickness, a biblical plague.

Nick

vorbis

MeatProduct wrote:

Well on the weekend I put off a trip to the countryside since petrol costs so much now. Can you tell me that that is not affecting my way of life? Bush increased the price of oil. Bush has already changed peoples lives in many countries by killing family members. Bush does not heal the world Vorbis, he is a sickness, a biblical plague.

Nick

um the main reason for rising fuel prices is the massive increase in demand for oil from China year on year. The Iraqi war is also responsible but volume production is not hugely different now than to before the war. The faxt is that if the demand from China increases at its current rate then prices are going to stay high regardless of Iraq.

I think the demonisation of Bush by some people outside the US will actually hurt Kerry. From an American perspective it could be taken as American bashing.

Also Hobbes why should you have a vote in the US elections if you're not a citizen of the US. By the same token should you be allowed vote for the french oremier? After all some of his policies might affect Ireland.

bonkey

vorbis wrote:

Also Hobbes why should you have a vote in the US elections if you're not a citizen of the US.

I think you may be making an assumption about Hobbes' citizenship there?

jc

Lactating Shark

vorbis wrote:

what I mean Meatproduct is that some people are getting highly melodramatic over an election that irish people have no input in. I just though that it was pretty amusing.

1. Bush proclaims himself the leader of the "free world"
2. I live in the free world (supposedly)

Shouldnt I therefore get a vote?

vorbis

usually that quote is that "America is the leader (i.e. leading nation) of the free world". As members or another nation within the free world we vote for our own leaders.

I thought by the way that hobbbes phrased his comment ("you never got to vote for him" that he wasn't American.

Lennoxschips

Nevermind the Irish, what about the residents of Palm Beach and Miami-Dade counties?

Hobbes

vorbis wrote:

um the main reason for rising fuel prices is the massive increase in demand for oil from China year on year.

The US uses more oil then China. In fact the US wastes more natural resources then any other country in the world. China will at some stage surpass the USA, but with a large population they are already familar with conserving energy.

US was using more Oil then China before the war in Iraq. In fact they had started going into their reserves (and some of the oil to make up the slack was coming from Iraq). Now oil is not flowing from Iraq.

The price is expected to go down around November as House of Saud have gone on record of doing it to help out Bush in the elections.

There are other factors causing a price increase, but the US invasion of Iraq through a false pretense rests squarely on Bush.

Even if you ignore the rest of the world, how about looking into how much price gouging Bushs friends have done at the expense of people in the war.

The Iraqi war is also responsible but volume production is not hugely different now than to before the war.

You have any idea how much oil is used during a war?

I think the demonisation of Bush by some people outside the US will actually hurt Kerry. From an American perspective it could be taken as American bashing.

Then that person is a bit thick then. Ted Bundy was an evil person and American, does that mean all Americans are Ted Bundy? Of course it doesn't, so why saying Bush is a complete idiot of a president equate to American bashing? Especially when his election was questionable.

Also Hobbes why should you have a vote in the US elections if you're not a citizen of the US. By the same token should you be allowed vote for the french oremier? After all some of his policies might affect Ireland.

Who said I wanted a vote? You asked why people were taking an intrest I told you. At least in Ireland we bitch about it, the US doesn't like what another country is doing, it invades it or belittles it on the world stage and renames all its food in protest.

Tuars

Why will Bush win? Because that's what Al Qaida wants. It fits into their grand strategy.

It is astonishing how little this is understood in the United States. I know of no American analyst who has even made the obvious point that al-Qaida wants Bush to win next November's presidential election and continue his interventionist policies in the Middle East for another four years, and will act to save Bush from defeat if necessary.

"You mean they're using using us as a proxy army to overthrow the current regimes in the Muslim world? I thought it was 'cos they hated our freedom. Doh!"

Flukey

I don't know how many Americans come in here but on other parts of the Net we get the anti-Bush = anti-America line all the time. Even those of us against the war in Iraq were accused of being anti-American from people in Ireland. Of course they are far from the same thing. We don't like the policies of their government, but America itself is fine. Many Americans take things very literally so when we use the word "America" when complaining about the war, it is not seen as being not the country but the administration only. Lots of us Irish don't like some of the policies of our government but that does not make us anti-Irish. Most Americans would disagree with some policy or other of American administrations, past and present, but that does not make them anti-American. So we maybe against the war and against Bush, but that does not make us anti-American. America is a marvellous country and it has done a lot of positive things for this world.

Another line we get is that if it wasn't for America we wouldn't have free speech and another is if it wasn't for America we'd all be speaking German. My answer to those two are always that they say we should be grateful for our free speech, yet they complain when we use it and even if I was speaking German, I'd still be against the war! America is the main superpower in the world at present so it is very much our business what happens politically there, whether we have a vote or not.