Should convicted rapists be castrated

teaser

hmmm, Castration seems a bit extreme, sound like torture, and that is the same as what rapists do to their victims,
I say send them to jail for the rest of their life! never allow them out unless found innocent. same goes for murderers

elivsvonchiaing

Silent Grape wrote:

so your saying that we wait and see how the victim is dealing, and then sentence the perp to the apropriate punishment? that is extraordinarily unfair to all rape and sexual assault victims.
....
i am absolutely disgusted with your attitude, and the way you spoke to me. just because i am a 'survivor', does not mean my rapist should get any less of a sentence than if he did the same thing to someone else, except they wernt as strong emotionally as me.

its laughable that you think im 'just irate' about this.

{I've composed many a reply to this and binned it - I realized I was still too angry. Now, I'm beginning to regret posting in this thread - the issue is just too emotive}
No, what I'm saying is if the rapists get 10 years and the victims are still in a bad-way psychologically (e.g. catatonic, etc). There should be a sentencing, re-evaluatiuon - with the judge having the power to add years as he/she sees fit. Particularly if the issue is the victim fears retribution for their testimony. (This could also be applied to the most violent non-sexual assaults).

From what I've seen over the years, I've no faith in any judge to do this properly. E.g. you may remember the case a few years ago that was thrown out because the victim "provoked" the assault. This judge deserves a slow and painful death - she may have "provoked" a black eye - but rape is different and current judicial attitudes don't reflect this.

I have to concede that my views on the subject are probably only compatible with a neo-fascist dictatorship - but I would like the judicial system to serve the victim far better than it is right now.

I deeply sympathise with your horrific experience. I apologise for my patronising/insulting tone - however you take it. I was incandescent with rage - you had more or less said all rapes are equal (equally traumatic and damaging). This I could not suffer. While my reply was a bit of a rant I stand by the principle that there are some rapes worse than others.

Do you seriously think that the rape of 10 year old girl (all she knows is Barbie dolls and is an innocent) is not worse than the rape of a 25 year old woman (she knows whats out there - and will probably be far better able to handle it - not that she won't take years to recover something of her former self)??? The 10 year old will never make as a good a recovery - I believe.

elivsvonchiaing

df001i6876 wrote:

women rape men too do you castrated them too or is this just for men only. I remember a story a few years ago in a local

news paper were a woman had rape a school boy.

i also seen a article on castration . it the brain that makes you rape.

castration stops kid from being born..

wtf is this? How the fcuk can a woman rape a schoolboy? Are we talking a strap-on dildo or something?

I've seen something bordering on rape of woman on man at xmas party - but seriously - it can't be considered rape he even at a very drunken level complied/consented. There has to be some level of "want" for anything to happen. Not the case man on woman!

While I appreciate my own posts are off the wall - this is just too off the wall for this forum IMHO.

Zulu

women can rape men - if you can't understand or except this fact then you really should consider your input to this argument

The Clown Man

Ok probably the deepest thread I've ever read on boards but here's my input.

I actually know quite a few people who have been raped. I'm very sorry to say.

And I have thought for years that castration will nullify any evil sexual desires and hopefully make a kitten out of the perpetrator. But recently I have changed my mind.

I may a bit of a b*stard when it comes to deciding punishments but I really just want to look at the bigger picture and find a solution which is a meritable deterrant towards future recurrances.

I think sexual offenders should be killed. Administered a lethel injection. Pacified in the most effective way.

These are people who can only harm society. I know they all have their own stories of sadness and woe but the pain and suffering they inflict on perfectly decent members of society is simply unacceptable.

God, I know one girl who was on holidays when I was in the same resort who got raped one night. She was such a f**king lively, bubbly, beautiful girl who enjoyed every bit of every day. She was raped by 3 guys. This ruined her.

2 nights later she was raped again by 2 different guys.

She has attempted suicide countless times since and lives as a recluse. She has to have someone with her at all times in case she finds something else with which to kill herself. The saddest thing is that she is still alive imho. I would probably pull the trigger myself just to let her go. This makes me want to cry just thinking about it. The girl lost her own life 2 years ago but is still living the pain. No one on this planet deserves that. It's too much for one fragile mind.

I have a number of friends who were abused when they were children. The effect this has had on their lives is enormous. There is not a day they can forget what happened. And sh*t 2 of them have not even told their parents or anyone who would do anything about it. They just do not want to re-live the experience by going back over it again. And the perps are calling round to their houses and having tea with their parents. The victims have just learned not to brake down when they are round.

I don't need to tell you that I would instantly report any of these guys but the victims just will not let me do it. And I'll respect their decision even if I think they are wrong. The 2 girls mentioned above are now unable to have children due to anorexia which was a mental side effect of their experiences.

These f*ckers don't just hurt or distress a person. They ruin a person. And anyone who has experieced this and is living on: I have only the greatest amount of respect for you. I have seen far too often the results of sexual crimes and good people who could not cope. If I could make it not happen ever again by whatever means I would. People who commit these crimes should not be allowed interact with the innocent in any way. The risks are far too great.



(And by the way - I don't know why people tell me about these experiences. But it seems that everyone who has had a terrible experience tells me about it. I really wish they would not. I f*cking hate being "the only one I've told about this." As selfish as it sounds I would be so much the happier person if I did not know this sh*t was going on in the world. Having said that I much rather my position than theirs.)

elivsvonchiaing

Zulu wrote:

women can rape men - if you can't understand or except this fact then you really should consider your input to this argument

I concede this happens. However, have you ever heard a news report as follows: "The victims varied from young boys to old men one victim was 12 years old, one was 72. Police a looking for a caucasian women about 5'6'' believed to be in her early thirties".

Nope didn't think so.

Imho opinion mentioning this in this thread is inappropriate.

Silent Grape

elvisetc, my sister was raped and abused from the ages of 6 to 10. by a cousin who lives in america. she doesnt want to press charges or anything, because it would probably cause more harm than good. she admitted to it when she was 30, and is still in therapy.

of course some rapes are worse than others, and ill be the first to be thankful that i was stoned and had alcohol on me to numb the pain. my sister was a tiny little girl, but i still think that both attackers should get life imprisonment.

i was beaten so badly im lucky i didnt need plastic surgery. what im trying to say is that we cant judge people purely on emotions, we have to have the facts.
also you cant compare the rape of a child and the rape of a woman, (i was 16 when it happened, where do i fit in?) , because the mind sets are so different. i am NEVER going to say 'well i managed to get something poisitive out of that', ie, get over it fully. neither is my sister. that makes us equal, no? also you can be living in hell and have nobody even realise it. i spent from just before my 17th birthday deeply depressed for a year, before i attempted suicide and the problem finally got noticed.

however i do realise what you are saying, but rapists should get far more than 10 years anyway. **** it, if my rapist only got ten years id pretend to be catatonic just to see him go down for longer.

on a side note my car was burnt down last night so im in a marvellous mood

elivsvonchiaing

Silent Grape. I completely agree that rapists should get more than 10 years - most cases they should never see the light of day again. This doesn't happen right now. It is only through the brave testimony of people like you and naughty_girl to name just a few, that this ever likely to change.

I salute you.

Zulu

elivsvonchiaing wrote:

I concede this happens. However, have you ever heard a news report as follows: "The victims varied from young boys to old men one victim was 12 years old, one was 72. Police a looking for a caucasian women about 5'6'' believed to be in her early thirties".

Nope didn't think so.

Imho opinion mentioning this in this thread is inappropriate.

Man are far less likely to report a rape, for one.
Secondly - how is it inappropriate? We are talking about rapists aren't we? Are you proposing that, that type of rape is any less serious? Honestly - why do you feel it's inappropriate?

Women show amazing strenght in the recovery of rape crimes. Men don't. Men (most likely due to the nature of the male ego - ie: being a man and being able to defend yourself) have a far weaker ability to recover from such attacks. (I'm not suggesting that it isn't any less horrendous btw)

elivsvonchiaing

Zulu wrote:

Man are far less likely to report a rape, for one.
Secondly - how is it inappropriate? We are talking about rapists aren't we? Are you proposing that, that type of rape is any less serious? Honestly - why do you feel it's inappropriate?

Women show amazing strenght in the recovery of rape crimes. Men don't. Men (most likely due to the nature of the male ego - ie: being a man and being able to defend yourself) have a far weaker ability to recover from such attacks. (I'm not suggesting that it isn't any less horrendous btw)

Trawling through google I really could find sfa about it - nearly every page was men raping women. This led me to the impression that it is indeed rare. My own gut feeling is that it just can't be as damaging to a man when a woman is the rapist - as they other way round. But I concede I know sfa about this.

To point to the title of thread - how do you castrate women anyhow?

Zulu

Well thats a given - it hard to casturate women. But I feel it's worth highlighting the fact.

I don't think your putting much taught into it though (no offence), I mean, how can you believe that a man being raped by a woman is less damaging. I think your picturing a woman forcing herself onto a man - as opposed toa woman, say raping a man with a forign object.
For example a woman raping a man with a broom handle.

elivsvonchiaing

Zulu wrote:

Well thats a given - it hard to casturate women. But I feel it's worth highlighting the fact.

I don't think your putting much taught into it though (no offence), I mean, how can you believe that a man being raped by a woman is less damaging. I think your picturing a woman forcing herself onto a man - as opposed toa woman, say raping a man with a forign object.
For example a woman raping a man with a broom handle.

Its a subject I'd rather not think about tbh. Point taken.

Zulu

elivsvonchiaing wrote:

Its a subject I'd rather not think about tbh. Point taken.

It's certainly not pleasent. No worries. :cool:

pretty-in-pink

isn't there a guy here who was raped?im sure i saw it somewhere.......

i think attcking someone who is innocent is a bit worse.....simply because they have no other conceptions of the act.

everytime i try a guy a hand job, i cant do it. its just too hard. the pictures are still in my head.


i still sometimes freak when sex becomes an issue, or if i dream bout my attacker, or if i see a movie where someone has a similar story to that of me and my ex.

im not saying that if you have been with a hundred people it hurts less inside, but physicaly yes it would hurt less, because its not your virginity you are losing

in the case of my ex while id never had sex before, it didnt hurt as much as it should have done because another ex (the slimy one who blames me for the locked in a room thing) had broken my hymen, and totally shocked me out cause i wasnt ready, didnt want it, and i bled for 2days. i find it hard to like guys touching inside there with their hands cause my body still freaks out and closes up.

in light of that i dont think im strong really as i still get moments when i cant bear the thought of any sexual anything, and yet i have moments when i want it so bad......

as for doing anything to a kid, thats just sick, its really sick,

but iv lost my point, so im gonna shut up now.

best respect and support to anyone who has been attacked, and sympathy to clown man cause i cant imagine the stress of having all those horrible secrets.

elivsvonchiaing

I feel the need to explain why I am so vociferous on this. I once went out with a girl who was raped. It is not my story and therefore do not wish (have no right to) to publish any detail on this. It is not my story to tell.

elivsvonchiaing

Edited. Related to deleted item in previous post. Just paranoid. {admin feel free to delete this is it now has no added value}

DawnMc

Syth wrote:

I don't think convicted rapists should be castrated. I don't think it's a good
detterent. Look at the deterent we have now. Look at the social stigma a rapist
has. Some say that out society encourages rape, but try going into a bar and
proudly announcing that you are a rapist. See if you are encouraged. As for the
revictism argument, it don't think it will work. Many have already mentioned
that it's possibe to still sexually assault somone even if the little general
is dead. Also should we now start cutting of the hands of thieves? Should we
break the spines of murders to make sure they can't kill again? Should we make
blind anyone who knocked a person donw in a car, so thay can't drive again? No.

As for the whole 'rape is nothing to do with sex' argument, I think that is
false. consider these 2 simple facts:
o Men will do lots of things to have sex. Many, many men are willing to chase
(figurativly) after women to have sex, heck, sme are even willing to pay for
sex. Many men really wan tsex.
o There are some men who are willing to use violence to get what they want.
Whether it is some cash or a flash phone, there are men who are willing to use
violence to get what they want.
Thus it seems obvious that there will be a small amount of men who are willing to use violence to get sex, ie willing to rape.

Also there are cases where a man and a woman are "gettin' it on", and the woman
doesn't want it to go that far, she wants to stop. Most men would stop, a tiny
amout wouldn't and whould then rape the woman. If the 'rape is nothing to do
with sex' argument was true, then the man would change from thinking about sex
just before the woman wanted to stop (actually it's probably all he can think
about), and then suddenly, not be thinking about sex. Most of the men out there
will tell you that that kind of switch doesn't happen.

One word: Pathetic

the_syco

My two cents; I know sfa about rape, but I disagree with castration. Not many, but I've seen a few men getting accused of rape, only to be proven innocent. By innocent, I mean that the girl accused the guy out of spite. And the girl is never named.
Also, although it has yet to happen here (to my knowledge), stabbing a victim gives some of the sicko's pleasure, if "little man" doesn't work. Foreign objects are also used. Its more about the power, and being in control of the object. So castration may not do much good.
I say life imprisonment. And by life, I mean for ever.

As for those who get caught for f*cking a child; they only got caught for f*cking that child. God knows how many others he has gotten his hands on :mad:

Prison is the only way for rapists. Put them on a island, and let them rape each other. Let them degrade on another. But kill them if they try to leave.

Victor

elivsvonchiaing wrote:

Whether the perpetrator is castrated by nitric acid or just two pirhanas in jamjar.

test999 wrote:

willy removal by sword (purely for dramatic affect) would be
a deterrent for all future rapists.

Are you two getting off on this thread?

elivsvonchiaing

Victor wrote:

Are you two getting off on this thread?

Just feel strongly about the subject - and still feel highly emotive about it - I think this is such a thread that it should be read in its entirety before posting to it. You can still end up offending people anyway as I have discovered.

I have gone to the lengths of deleting postings which I have never done before - it has messed with my head so much.

You mate are forgiven, by me, but I am by no means anyone important in this thread. Just don't post again like this here or you'll get my negative karma! (for one)

pretty-in-pink

it is emotive all right, but isnt a bit of argument and contraversy good? better get all that emotion out here then on the street.

i wonder what a perp might have to say bout the whole thing though?

df001i6876

The time as come for the public to have a right to vote. on punishment.

We should all have a say in how these people are punished. and not just by a court.

the whole country after all we pay for them. We should give them a choice. life or death . or life in prison. or they could be lab rats. the likes off howard shipman who

kill himself, one less to feed and goodbye too a load off rubbish. we should have ask him . After all it about money in the end. once there dead the no longer a threat too the public. why keep them. theres loads off thing we could do with prisoner.
we could give them cancer aids make them ill with tropical Disease there a million way to punish them.

sliabh

df001i6876 wrote:

The time as come for the public to have a right to vote. on punishment.

We should all have a say in how these people are punished. and not just by a court.

Hello vigilante justice and welcome back the lynch mob.

Oh, and while we are at it let's replace the court's decision on who is guilty with whoever the Star or the Sun decides is guilty.

Zulu

df001i6876 wrote:

we could give them cancer aids make them ill with tropical Disease there a million way to punish them.

...and how exactly would we be different than them?

df001i6876

I know it pure fiction . That this will ever happen and i am not a vigilante

but are we the soft people who elect a goverment for parliament.
why not a mass judgement. On rapist murderous paedophile robbers.

The courts are too soft with them . I am not going on about papers and the star and the sun. A real vote by all the people in the land. we all know about justice in court. life 15 to 20 years. and then there out .
too murder some other poor soul . or even sooner.
we keep them fill our jails up. when they could be helping us find a cure for cancer and AIDS .that is humane. we all vote on death or hospital for cures on. mankind. just as if.

Zulu

And what about manslaughter?
Would you subject that crime to the same "judgment"?
What about people who are found innocent years after their inital sentance was passed?

"Oh sorry we infected you with AIDS there 8 years ago - we genuinly taught your were guilty - oh well, my bad!"

df001i6876

manslaughter. well now i know this is just make believe. but i think the real serious
crime should be put to the vote off the land . and let us judge it the people.

That would be up to the people who are found guilty. The likes off shipman the hinley ripper, the world is better off with out them why keep them. why study them, we can not cure them so ask them what do they want. Too help mankind or be put to death. After all it the taxe payers money. Lets face it the law as got worst over the years. some off the sentences these people get are some time hard to believe. we keep them for ever. :mad:

Zulu

df001i6876 wrote:

why study them, we can not cure them

How do you know? We don't have the ability to cure them now, but we didn't have the ability to treat other mental illnesses until reciently. That dosen't mean we should strive to create a better society.

df001i6876

to zulu
the way thing are today its free for all. open prisons, no tv no ctax no food to buy
its all done for you. normal people have these thing too pay every week or month.
a prisonaire has no response ability. just do your time and your out. back to society

all the payments are made by soft joe pulic out off the taxes off the land.The only cure is to let these crooks do real time bread and water like the old time. But o no . The con vics have more rights than joe pulic. Who knows we may put a tag around there leg.s this should make them safe. We can keep them out of jail.
Now i am all for this tag maybe we could say make it so and Beam them up when they do wrong. Or give them a 1000000 volts . of eletricity in the legs.mm
or we could give them some sweet so they can get closes too our kids.
or give them a good job within the government. who knows it might catch on.

Zulu

df001i6876 wrote:

to zulu
the way thing are today its free for all. open prisons, no tv no ctax no food to buy its all done for you. normal people have these thing too pay every week or month. a prisonaire has no response ability. just do your time and your out. back to society

Have you read what you have written? WTF is ctax? Are society is hardly a free for all :rolleyes: Prisons tend to be closed/locked. That's the principle. I'd hardly say giving 10-12 years of your life isn't a price to pay.

df001i6876 wrote:

all the payments are made by soft joe pulic out off the taxes off the land.The only cure is to let these crooks do real time bread and water like the old time. But o no . The con vics have more rights than joe pulic.

Nope - they just have human rights. Most of society agrees with human rights for all humans. Some don't. These people are considered extremists, and everyone prays they don't get any sort of power.

df001i6876 wrote:

Who knows we may put a tag around there leg.s this should make them safe. We can keep them out of jail.
Now i am all for this tag maybe we could say make it so and Beam them up when they do wrong. Or give them a 1000000 volts . of eletricity in the legs.mm

Are you for real here? "Beam them up", and what's that - a million volts!?! What sort of ampiture would you have with the million volts then? Would they get this (potentially fatal) bolt of electricity for jay-walking say? Would you consider attaching said anklet to all civilians in an effort to prevent crime outright?

df001i6876 wrote:

or we could give them some sweet so they can get closes too our kids. or give them a good job within the government. who knows it might catch on.

Super argument. :rolleyes: To lower myself to your level here - are you advocating that criminals shouldn't be allowed to buy sweets? How old are you exactly?

df001i6876

:rolleyes: [ctax council tax] tv licence rent money for food they do not pay for anythink.

its a hoilday camp. the poor prisonaire, there allowed to have a tv even radio +
dvd , they even get days out to walk around. don,t you read papers. i say lock the gate. they might come down your path. just jokeing. be ware the law is soft too day.
? the list goes on +on we pay for them.

Zulu

df001i6876 wrote:

its a hoilday camp. the poor prisonaire, there allowed to have a tv even radio +
dvd , they even get days out to walk around.

...if they are deemed safe. I have no problem with tha if it's part of a rehabilitation program.

df001i6876 wrote:

don,t you read papers.

Well I don't read the Sun or the Star if thats what you mean. Funnily, the papers I read don't hold these fanitical opinions.

df001i6876 wrote:

i say lock the gate.

The gate is locked.

df001i6876 wrote:

be ware the law is soft too day.? .

I don't agree.

df001i6876 wrote:

we pay for them.

We pay tax. The tax is reinvested in the society. I have no problem with that.

blobert

Went back and read original post and a few that followed.

It occured to me...

People are capable of change. If you do not believe this then there is no point in prison or any attempt to rehabilitate people.

Similarly, coming up with cruel and unusual punishments won't really solve anything either.

I've met a lot of people through my work that have done terrible things in the past: murder, sexual offences etc. This does not mean that they are forever doomed to be bad people though, in fact some of them are incredibly nice and kind people now.

Anyway, I just wanted to point out that even people that have comitted awful crimes can, over time change to the point where they utterly regret what they have done, and will not reoffend again.

df001i6876

I forgot to mention in the papers a few weeks ago, a prisonaire won the lottery

he was a rapist he won £2000000 , it makes you wonder . whose side is the law on. the crooks side . they should be in jail too in fact maybe we should all book a hoilday in jail wow. theres more aftercare in jail. than there is in hospital,.add lease theres a bed ready when your ill, theres a long waiting list for a bed in the hospital. human rights it a joke+ so is the law. i hope you have finished .
because im off to book a holiday. In a german pow camp. now thats what i call a jail.

df001i6876

blobert wrote:

Went back and read original post and a few that followed.

It occured to me...

People are capable of change. If you do not believe this then there is no point in prison or any attempt to rehabilitate people.

Similarly, coming up with cruel and unusual punishments won't really solve anything either.

I've met a lot of people through my work that have done terrible things in the past: murder, sexual offences etc. This does not mean that they are forever doomed to be bad people though, in fact some of them are incredibly nice and kind people now.

Anyway, I just wanted to point out that even people that have comitted awful crimes can, over time change to the point where they utterly regret what they have done, and will not reoffend again.

just a thought can you find me a bed for free.

df001i6876

df001i6876 wrote:

just a thought can you find me a bed for free.

just jokeing its just that all the jails are book up

Zulu

df001i6876 wrote:

I forgot to mention in the papers a few weeks ago, a prisonaire won the lottery he was a rapist he won £2000000, it makes you wonder.

There was a thread on that. You can read it for my opinions on that matter - suffice to say, because he was a rapist does alter the fact that he can enter a competition. If he didn't win - I'm sure you wouldn't be complaining that the £X a week he spends on lottery tickets goes, in part, to charity.

df001i6876 wrote:

whose side is the law on. the crooks side

That is simply a ridiculous, unsubstantiated comment. The law is evidently on the law abiders side :rolleyes:

df001i6876 wrote:

they should be in jail too in fact maybe we should all book a hoilday in jail wow. theres more aftercare in jail. than there is in hospital,.add lease theres a bed ready when your ill, theres a long waiting list for a bed in the hospital.

This is just a rant. What is your point - that medical care shouldn't be provided to prisoners, or that we should use the spare beds in prisons for sick people? put them in with the prisoners till there better??

df001i6876 wrote:

human rights it a joke+ so is the law.

Yes, lets get rid of human rights altogether, and the law while we're at it.

df001i6876 wrote:

i hope you have finished .

...debunking your ranting - nope I'm having too much fun.

df001i6876 wrote:

because im off to book a holiday. In a german pow camp. now thats what i call a jail.

Super - I recommend the showers for you.

df001i6876

only if you will wash my back

are you a prison officer.

hec . we havent met but the law is a joke, were it not for them were would we be today, lost for words.

Zulu

df001i6876 wrote:

only if you will wash my back.

Nope, I'll be outside in a well ventilated area.

df001i6876 wrote:

are you a prison officer.

:eek:

df001i6876 wrote:

hec . we havent met but the law is a joke, were it not for them were would we be today, lost for words.

Well, you'd most likly have plenty to complain about - if you were still alive - but chances are your burnt down house wouldn't have a PC in it for you to vent your issues. As opposed to just calling the law a joke - would you care to propose a better solution? Or a better alternative? Or, better still, describe how society would survive in the lawness alternative. (I'll give you a clue: Afganistan)

df001i6876

Ive never needed the law in my life ive all ways sort it out. Ok, you ring them and they turn up when they feel like. mmm. I would hate haveing to rely on them turning up. We will all end up like tony martin. and as for afganistan i leave that to the army.

Zulu

df001i6876 wrote:

Ive never needed the law in my life ive all ways sort it out.

Law is what hold society together around you. Do you work? The law ensures you get paid.

df001i6876 wrote:

Ok, you ring them and they turn up when they feel like. mmm. I would hate haveing to rely on them turning up. We will all end up like tony martin.

You are refering to a police force, not the law as a concept. Please be clearer. I don't particulary like the Gaurdai either, but thats not what the argument is about.

df001i6876 wrote:

and as for afganistan i leave that to the army.

Ahh marshal law - its great!

df001i6876

give = take that the law

df001i6876

df001i6876 wrote:

give = take that the law

put your hands up your under a rest.

amp

df001i6876 wrote:

put your hands up your under a rest.

Dude, I don't know what you're on but do you mind not doing it in here? Cheers

df001i6876

A soap box. Its against the law [ drugs] hoildays are made in heaven.

amp

I'll take that as a no then. You can come back to Humanities when you've mastered the art of constructing readable sentences.

MrNuked

Castration after a male has reached sexual maturity will not remove sexual impulses and sexual frustration.
So castration will not remove the problem.
It may, however, prevent the problem.
Elizabeth I force fed some prisoners their own testicles. Sounds like an idea in cases like this. Then they should be looked in a cell and left to starve to death (cheapest way probably).
The judicial system in this country is a joke because there are not enough resources to keep offenders in prison long enough or often enough as they deserve. The death penalty, and brutal physical penalties, would be strong deterrents.
I hate the IRA, but I have heard that communities in which they are the primary law-enforcers suffer very little crime. Because people in those areas equate crime with swift and brutal punishment.

Pet

MrNuked wrote:

Castration after a male has reached sexual maturity will not remove sexual impulses and sexual frustration.
So castration will not remove the problem.
It may, however, prevent the problem.
Elizabeth I force fed some prisoners their own testicles. Sounds like an idea in cases like this. Then they should be looked in a cell and left to starve to death (cheapest way probably).
The judicial system in this country is a joke because there are not enough resources to keep offenders in prison long enough or often enough as they deserve. The death penalty, and brutal physical penalties, would be strong deterrents.
I hate the IRA, but I have heard that communities in which they are the primary law-enforcers suffer very little crime. Because people in those areas equate crime with swift and brutal punishment.

Castration will stop the production of testosterone, reducing sexual desire to almost nothing.

But it will also reduce violent impulses by the same amount, because testosterone is the leading cause/spur of aggression.

So, castration would be effective for these people. And it would deter people from rape too.

All that remains is the question of morality.

Zulu

Pet wrote:

Castration will stop the production of testosterone, reducing sexual desire to almost nothing.

...of course you're making the massive leap of faith here the rape is caused by sexual desire, and not power.

Pet wrote:

But it will also reduce violent impulses by the same amount, because testosterone is the leading cause/spur of aggression.

This is just made up.

Pet wrote:

So, castration would be effective for these people. And it would deter people from rape too.

As already discussed - it would not deter rapists, just as cutting off peoples hands for theft dosen't stop it; just as stoning people to death for adultry, dosen't stop adultry; just as the death sentence dosen't stop murder.

Pet wrote:

All that remains is the question of morality.

Arguably the most important.

pretty-in-pink

I dunno, testosterone is related to aggression.For normal people you remove the largest contributing factor, yuo remove the problem. but normal people dont do this sort of thing anyway. The people who do this have an anger already, and a few screws loose, so how effective would such measures be on people who have lost contact with their humanity?answer equals not at all.

Proven fact by physcologists:such offenders graduate through crimes, and lose the self disgust that is there for the first few offences. They can turn from a peeping tom, to smash and grab, to violent assualt/robbery, to sexual assualt, to rape, to violent rape, to murder. Its scary. these perps are not nice people who screwed up. It becomes an addiction, and that needs help. You give them more reason to be angry at society, and they get more dangerous. It really is death or rehab, or life behind bars (proper life NOT 20 years). in the next decade some of the most aggresive, sexual, cold blooded men in Ireland are gettting out of jail. Why? "Good behaviour" and we dont have consecuative sentencing. Physcologists have said that these men and oters liek them can "fake" being good, they show no remorse, and because our system sucks they get out.

Two of these men are most likely to be responsible for all those women who dissappeared, when they went down, the dissappearences stopped. They were caught after brutal assualts on women were stopped before tehy could kill. one of them kidnapped, beat and raped the women for several hours in every way, with himself and using devices such as hammers, he got caught before he finished the job so to speak. when told the woman was really screwed up over him, he said "well she's alive".

Two more will pick up where they left off.raping and killing a woman a week.every week.

So go society, we are letting physcotic killers out again. Our entire system needs to change. god help me for saying it, but we need a system like the english or americans have.

***source of info above, "frozen blood", a book about irish physco + serial killers. very interesting, very sad, but an excellent read