Quinn shames Clare & hurling in Thurles v Kilkenny

kilkennycat2004

CLARE hurler Gerry Quinn could be facing a lengthy suspension after television pictures identified him as the culprit behind Henry Shefflin's eye injury in Thurles last Saturday.
Thankfully everything is okay with Henry for the future , no permanent damage, & from our maybe kinda selfish point of view we all look to-wards him being in his number 11 shirt next Sunday.
Saw Henry in the tunnel watching first half of junior football match Saturday. Signing autographs etc.. a credit to sport generally, our county & the sport in general. In other words everything that Quinn is not.
In the past there was a well remembered incident when a Cork player hit Nicky English in the mouth. To their lasting credit the Cork management ensured that individual never saw a Cork jersey again. If Clare hurling is to recover any dignity the same punishment should be dealt out to this guy who shames our sport. Henry Shefflin, a model person & sportsman could have lost his sight permanently in one eye by this tramp. Yes tramp

Flukey

It was a disgraceful action. It was a rash swing and Henry was unfortunate that it made contact where it did and maybe lucky it wasn't straight in the eye. Quinn will have to take what's coming to him. We all wish Henry Shefflin well, as we do Brian McDonald and Joe Higgins, but I hope his team lose next Sunday. My ticket is already ordered and I should have it later in the week along with my ticket for Saturday.

stevemac

yeah, it was awful.

was quinn the clare player who had his arm broke a few years ago by a waterford player?

Flukey

Gerry Quinn was involved in some sort of incident a few years back alright. I forget the actual details.

stevemac

yeah waterford player broke his arm off the ball and he was never named. Even though most people who saw it knew who it was.

kilkennycat2004

stevemac wrote:

yeah waterford player broke his arm off the ball and he was never named. Even though most people who saw it knew who it was.

This was KenMcGrath then Deise centre forward, but not any form of excuse for what the tramp Quinn done to Kilkenny players Sunday.

Ironically Ken is now Waterford centre half back & will be marking the Kilkenny number 11 Sunday.
Now whose the Kilkenny number 11 - please God Henry Shefflin.

(Let me add that I have never seen Waterfords's Ken McGrath conduct himself like Quinn the last 2 games)

Darren

Kilkennycat2004, I agree with you 100%. I was at the game on Saturday and saw what that dirty tramp did. We all know that there can be needle in these games and Kilkenny Clare was always going to be a physical match but to go for a man's eyes is something no decent human being would ever do. I would like to see Quinn outcast by the Clare county board but this just will not happen. Hopefully the GAA will show a bit of backbone and ban him for life.

BTW, there seemed to be a lot more than 28000 people there to me. hand over your 35 euros and no tickt, no receipt and no mechanism counting the number of people going in. All seems dodgy to me.

kilkennycat2004

Yes on the secondary issue Darren of course there was more than was stated in ground.
I payed 50 euro in for three kids & myself but he allowed us all in same style.
Whose to say how many got in at 5 euro & how many at 35 euro.
Found that one very strange.

ciarann

Lads what he done to sheff was disgracefull and he should get life me Da thinks he should go to jail.Joe Mac nally got a dig of the little toerag P O Se
years ago and the Dubs go beaten>Armagh like to throw a few digs about the place but hitting somebody in the face or eye is out of order.i hope the players who go the bad injuries recovery knowbody deserves that crap and beano and sheff are good lads.
Dubs Fan and haf cat

cruiserweight

Does anybody have a link to video of the incident, I did not see it so cannot comment but if it was malicious then Gerry Quinn should know better afterall he did miss an All-Ireland final due to a dirty off the ball incident!

Waylander

I am not convinced it was intentional although I have not had a proper look at the incident. But Quinn seemed to be looking a different direction when the strike took place. You would need to be pretty accurate to get the butt of a hurl through a face mask while you were looking in a different direction.

Kelter

As ever Waylander comes in with the honest and balanced response. Kudos to you my friend.

By the way I am reminded somewhat about a tread on John Mullane some months ago when the views of the masses were quite different.


I’ll wait to see footage before I draw the long knife

cruiserweight

Waylander wrote:

I am not convinced it was intentional although I have not had a proper look at the incident. But Quinn seemed to be looking a different direction when the strike took place. You would need to be pretty accurate to get the butt of a hurl through a face mask while you were looking in a different direction.

I would agree that it would be very difficult to land a blow intentionally though a face guard! However I have not seen the footage and will reserve final judgement until I have seen it! Any player found guilty of striking another player with a hurl should face serious consequences be it Gerry Quinn(who has not been found guilty of anything yet), John Mullane or whoever

Mighty_Mouse

Think yer being very quick to react here lads. I haven't seen the incident but apparantly "intent" is not clear. It was a hurling clash of two big players going for the same ball.

Even if G Quinn intended to hit sheflin theres no way he was aiming for his eye. Again I havent seen it. If he intended to hit Sheflin then he'll get a good long ban. 6-8 months?Lifetime bans/jail!!

scargill

Mighty_Mouse - I saw the incident and in fairness it think its unfair to say "intent" is not clear. He DEFINITELY swung the butt of the hurl in the direction of Shefflin's head. It was impossible for him to know he was going to hit him in the eye - but should that matter ? Is it OK to hit someone in the head/face just because they are wearing a helmet ?
Tough 50/50 tackles are acceptable - sneaky hurls to the head are not !!

stevemac

from what i saw intent was very clear.
he pushed back with his left arm, as if to get his range.and then came back, reached up as if going for the ball and swung down into henry.

The only thing is that he probable didn't mean to hit him in the eye. And it was probable meant to be on top of his helmet.

But there definatley was intent there.

Waylander

They were both leaping up with arms and hurls high tussleing for the ball. I know Henry Shefflin was very upset and clearly felt it was deliberate, but I am not so sure. I think it could easily have been an unintentional knock. Has Anthony Daly or Gerry Quinn himself said anything about it since the game ended?

stevemac

it can't have being unintentional.

stevemac

just saw on the independent site that its doubtful if henry will play this week. They'll have to wait till the end of the week to know for sure.

country_gurl

Quinn gave 2 hits and the 2nd was the fatal one. Maybe not deliberate in getting him in the eye but why else would someone try 2 hit twice without it being intentional?

kilkennycat2004

If there was ever any doubt as to what a gentleman Henry Shefflin is this story shows it. The double striking action with the handle of Quinn's hurl almost cost Henry his eye.
However, in a phone call to Shefflin on Monday morning, August 2, Quinn explained that the clash was purely accidental.
“The two of us were contesting a high ball, jostling for position,” he said.
“When I looked over at Henry on the ground afterwards, I thought it was his hamstring. I didn't think I caught him at all. It wasn't intentional and completely accidental.
“Hands were flying all over the place and I'm annoyed that people would think I'd do something like that deliberately. I wouldn't do that to any player because I know how it feels. Henry knows that, we had a good chat and he was sound about it.”
(this is only the latest in a series of Gerry Quinn wrongs as I'm sure Tipp, Waterford & other hurling fans will already have noted. He's a tramp full stop).

cruiserweight

kilkennycat2004 wrote:

(this is only the latest in a series of Gerry Quinn wrongs as I'm sure Tipp, Waterford & other hurling fans will already have noted. He's a tramp full stop).

For example? Maybe I am displaying my ignorance here but I cannot remember any other incidents like this involving Gerry Quinn. But if you have links I would be interested to read about these incidents!

Waylander

Well I think it was unintentional, like I said they were just jostling for the ball, and Henry seems to have accepted an apology from Gerry Quinn, so I guess he agrees with me.

Kelter

"kilkennycat2004 If there was ever any doubt as to what a gentleman Henry Shefflin is this story shows it. The double striking action with the handle of Quinn's hurl almost cost Henry his eye.
However, in a phone call to Shefflin on Monday morning, August 2, Quinn explained that the clash was purely accidental.
“The two of us were contesting a high ball, jostling for position,” he said.
“When I looked over at Henry on the ground afterwards, I thought it was his hamstring. I didn't think I caught him at all. It wasn't intentional and completely accidental.
“Hands were flying all over the place and I'm annoyed that people would think I'd do something like that deliberately. I wouldn't do that to any player because I know how it feels. Henry knows that, we had a good chat and he was sound about it.”
(this is only the latest in a series of Gerry Quinn wrongs as I'm sure Tipp, Waterford & other hurling fans will already have noted. He's a tramp full stop). "



That is the most confusing thread I’ve read in quite a while. The first half of the post and the second don’t seem to match.

By the way could I get you to quote your sources as I’d love to read the rest of this article.

Also I think you have far too much time on your hands, just a concern!

kilkennycat2004

Kelter wrote:

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Also I think you have far too much time on your hands, just a concern!

Hopefully Mr Quinn will have the kind of time on his hands you refer to. The hurling fields of Ireland will be a much safer place without him thats for sure.
No angel in the Croker drawn game either. Was obviously at both but maybe have a look at the video of both games in their entirity sometime

kilkennycat2004

Hi Kelter - heres the post in its entirity by the way
source -
wayhttp://www.hoganstand.com/clare/2004/august/080304.htm

As Henry Shefflin battles to be fit for Sunday's All-Ireland hurling
semi-final against Waterford, Clare's Gerry Quinn has insisted that he
did not intentionally strike the Kilkenny star in last Saturday's
quarter-final replay at Thurles.

Quinn, who himself was the victim of an off-the-ball incident when Clare
defeated Waterford in the 2002 All-Ireland semi-final, could be facing a
lengthy ban after television replays showed him shoving the butt of his
hurl through Shefflin's faceguard, causing damage to the Ballyhale man's
right eye.

However, in a phone call to Shefflin on Monday morning, August 2, Quinn
explained that the clash was purely accidental.

"The two of us were contesting a high ball, jostling for position," he
said.

"When I looked over at Henry on the ground afterwards, I thought it was
his hamstring. I didn't think I caught him at all. It wasn't intentional
and completely accidental.

"Hands were flying all over the place and I'm annoyed that people would
think I'd do something like that deliberately. I wouldn't do that to any
player because I know how it feels. Henry knows that, we had a good chat
and he was sound about it."

Immediately after the game, Shefflin was taken to Our Lady's Hospital in
Cashel before being transferred to Ardkeen Hospital in Waterford where
he underwent a minor operation on the eye. The former hurler of the year
was discharged on Sunday afternoon and is hopeful of being ready for
Sunday's showdown with Waterford.

stevemac

country_gurl wrote:

Quinn gave 2 hits and the 2nd was the fatal one.

fatal? has he died? :rolleyes:

thats a shame
quinn will be in trouble now :rolleyes:

Big Ears

to say it would be hard to hit him in the eye intentionelly is not exactly true .

Shefflin wears a Kilkenny guard (named this because Kilkenny players were the first to use this type of guard , but now days players from many counties wear this type of guard) where there is only 2 horizontal bars across the guard . one at the top and one in the middle . There is a huge area to aim at and once a player hits above the mouth he is likely to conncet with somones eye with this type of faceguard .

I didnt see the incident though so I cant give my own opinion as to what went on .

Waylander

to say it would be hard to hit him in the eye intentionelly is not exactly true .

It is exactlytrue. When you are leaping in the air contesting a ball you are looking at the ball not at the man jumping beside you. You would have to aim pretty accurately to get through the gap in the guard. Kilkenny Cat if Henry can accept the apology I don't know what your problem is?

gerire

I cant believe the tunnel vision at the start of this thread I was away for the weekend but spoke to people who were at the game and called it straight away that it was just pure blooded attack to the ball with an unfortunate incident involved.

The Rooster

Both players were standing when the incident happened, both looking skyward at the approaching sliothar. Quinn jabbed Sheflin in the head area with the butt of the hurl. He hit his helmet. He then quickly jabbed him again, got through the guard and got Shef in the eye and nose area. No question in my mind that it was a deliberate and filthy blow. He was even holding the hurl a few inches from the butt, to allow it to go through the guard.

In the game Quinn also gave Martin Comerford a belt on the head.

There was an incident from a few years ago that Quinn is famous for. As a game was about to start Mark Carroll of Cork offered Quinn the usual pre match handshake. Quinn swung the hurl and belted Carroll across the hand. He's a lovely bloke alright, our Mr Quinn!

Flukey

Let's take a more neutral analysis of this. Obviously Gerry Quinn would not have wanted to inflict the injury in question on Henry Shefflin. Both players have their eye on the ball throughout. Quinn does not even slightly turn his head towards Shefflin. The two were jockeying for position, with Quinn slightly in front of Shefflin and trying to secure his position. Quinn certainly deliberately swung his arm back, so there was intent, but I do not think it was intent to injure Shefflin as he did. It is the level intent that is the real issue. He should be punished, but I dont' think there was a deliberate intent to do exactly what he did. 9 times out of 10 the hurley would not have gone clear through the face guard.

He made two efforts to get Shefflin away from him, with the second one having drastic and unfortunte consequences, not ones Quinn intended. I am not defending him, but trying to give a more realistic analysis of what happened based on seeing the video several times now. According to the papers today, Quinn has made contact with Shefflin over the incident and they spoke at length. Kilkenny are not making an official complaint as the video evidence is clear enough and they are leaving it to the GAA to take action.

cruiserweight

According to the Independent today Gerry Quinn is not happy with RTEs coverage of the incident.

Clare's Quinn to pursue legal action against RTE
Thursday August 12th 2004

CLARE hurler Gerry Quinn is considering legal action against RTE over the Sunday Game coverage of the incident that left Henry Shefflin requiring an operation to repair a tear duct.

Legal representatives are understood to have despatched correspondence to the station seeking a retraction of the comments made on the show on the Sunday night after Clare's Qualifier defeat to Kilkenny.

The incident, for which Quinn categorically stated there was no intent, was captured by RTE cameras and placed under the microscope by the Sunday Game team on the Sunday night.

Shefflin, who was left with blood streaming down his face, and Kilkenny officials were irate after the match but left it to the GAC to decide what action to take.

Quinn and the Clare County Board are deeply unhappy at the comments of the Sunday Game panelists that night, former Cork hurler Tomás Mulcahy and Larry O'Gorman who retired from Wexford earlier this year.

It is not clear what particular comments Quinn has based his grounds for seeking a retraction on.

But feelings in Clare continue to run high over the coverage of the incident, something that was referred to in a statement issued by Board officials together with the Clare squad last weekend.
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Does not sounds like the actions of someone who purposefully went out to injure somebody, if he had he would probably stay quiet and wait for it to blow over! Obviously he is not happy with being demonised and does not want gain a reputation, although some people are more than happy to give him one!

kilkennycat2004

Smart move by the Clare publican.
Maybe the licensed vintners will foot the bill as they do with other lost causes like the reversal of the smoking ban

Flukey

Flukey wrote:

Gerry Quinn was involved in some sort of incident a few years back alright. I forget the actual details.

he pure made s**t of Mark O learys hand with a chop before the throw in back 2001. seen o leary in thurles in a pub almost a year and a half later. his hand was pure buckled. later got an operation but has not been the same player since said that he scored 2 something in ai final in 2001 so he could not have been that bad

Big Ears

Big Ears wrote:

to say it would be hard to hit him in the eye intentionelly is not exactly true .

Shefflin wears a Kilkenny guard (named this because Kilkenny players were the first to use this type of guard , but now days players from many counties wear this type of guard) where there is only 2 horizontal bars across the guard . one at the top and one in the middle . There is a huge area to aim at and once a player hits above the mouth he is likely to conncet with somones eye with this type of faceguard .

I didnt see the incident though so I cant give my own opinion as to what went on .

shefflin actually broke his tear duct in that game. Had to get stitches there and then and later got an op in waterford regional

Big Ears

Deleted User wrote:

he pure made s**t of Mark O learys hand with a chop before the throw in back 2001. seen o leary in thurles in a pub almost a year and a half later. his hand was pure buckled. later got an operation but has not been the same player since said that he scored 2 something in ai final in 2001 so he could not have been that bad

I am a far off relative of Mark O'leary , what that has to do with you're post I dont know .

Waylander

Was it not the Clare player Brian Quinn that did that?

Big Ears

Big Ears wrote:

I am a far off relative of Mark O'leary , what that has to do with you're post I dont know .

I am just making the point that Gerry Quinn and i am sure twas gerry has a malicious streak in him and would stoop to deliberately harming a player. Suppose we do not know for sure at the end of the day