New EU member state workers flock to Ireland

DublinWriter

arcadegame2004 wrote:

But if the trend continues at the rate of 92,000 per annum in the longterm, then the Irish people could be outnumbered in our own country.

So?

What are you afraid of? That we'll loose our national language? *cough*

Oh yes, Irish culture will be at stake, won't it? And what exactly is Irish culture these days? Westlife, The Lyrics Board and ringing in sick on a Monday?

The days of comly maidens dancing at the crossroads are in the grave with Dev my friend.

Ireland for the Irish smacks of Germany for the Germans. Ein Reich Ein Volk Ein Taoiseach!

Just remember that we have a rapidly aging population and someone will have to pay for your heathcare when you retire (before you even start, VHI and BUPA don't cover you for long term retirement home placement).

You're really just a flea bitching about who should own the dog.

Personally I think the more foreign workers come here the richer we all become.

Vive la difference!

DeVore

The days of comly maidens dancing at the crossroads are in the grave with Dev my friend.

:eek:


DeV.

gandalf

arcadegame2004 wrote:

But our determination to remain the majority in the land of our forefathers, who fought for 800 years for an Irish Ireland, is undiminished.

The question is what is Irish. Irish people of today are a mongrel mix of Celts, Norse, Anglo Saxon, Norman, Spainish !!!!

So whats the solution, genetic testing, if your not Irish enough your shipped back to Norway, Spain, England, France etc etc.

I prefer to see my country as an open country that values what people from other cultures can bring to the table and realises that allowing others come here and mix is actually healthy and makes the country stronger.

Whats the alternative a pack of inbred fools in Aran Sweaters sitting in pubs going on about "800 Years" etc, I know what option I would prefer :rolleyes:

arcadegame2004

So?

If that's your attitude to the possibility of Irish people becoming a minority in their own country, then it seems extremely unlikely that you believe in the very concept of a "county" or a "nation state" at all.

Am I right? If so then what do you think Michael Collins etc. fought for?

MadsL

Oh God, here we go again..
Arcade you seem to think that the only way to preserve this concept of "Irishness" is through weight of numbers. If it is such a strongly important cultural heritage, then surely it will survive anyway. Aren't there plenty of people around the world who call themselves Irish. They are generally not in the majority where they live, yet thier sense of being Irish survives.

what do you think Michael Collins etc. fought for?

The chance to shag Julia Roberts?

Meh

arcadegame2004 wrote:

what do you think Michael Collins etc. fought for?

My recollection of Junior Cert history is a bit hazy now, but I'm pretty sure he didn't fight to kick the Latvians out of Ireland.

ecksor

St. Patrick fought to kick the snakes out, perhaps that's the confusion?

AngelofFire

arcadegame2004 wrote:

Am I right? If so then what do you think Michael Collins etc. fought for?

Michael Collins fought in the GPO in 1916, doing so he endorsed the 1916 declaration which states that we should cherish all children born of the nation equally. He did not fight for xenophobia.

arcadegame2004

Aren't there plenty of people around the world who call themselves Irish. They are generally not in the majority where they live, yet thier sense of being Irish survives.

They call themselves Irish because of the descent from ethnically-Irish people. This demonstrates the link between identity and ethnicity, something that the opponents of my views (and mostly the opponents of the Citizenship-referendum coincidentally) try to deny. To deny such a link is to deny human history, and to deny the whole point of the ancient nation states of Europe.

Michael Collins fought in the GPO in 1916, doing so he endorsed the 1916 declaration which states that we should cherish all children born of the nation equally.He did not fight for xenophobia.

Agreed and I am not a holder of xenophobic views, and you and I are not in agreement on precisely what constitutes "children of the nation".

ionapaul

arcadegame2004 wrote:

then what do you think Michael Collins etc. fought for?

Come on, everyone know that Collins fought the Dark Lord of the Sith in the Alamo during the summer of 1798 , to reclaim the earth from those damn, dirty apes...

gandalf

Well then what do you think constitutes "children of the nation" and please be specific

AngelofFire

arcadegame2004 wrote:

They call themselves Irish because of the descent from ethnically-Irish people. This demonstrates the link between identity and ethnicity, something that the opponents of my views (and mostly the opponents of the Citizenship-referendum coincidentally) try to deny.


Agreed and I am not a holder of xenophobic views, and you and I are not in agreement on precisely what constitutes "children of the nation".

I consider children of the nation to be those born here, and im sure connolly, pearse, etc would agree, children of the nation also applied to Irish immigrants in america as outlined in the Declaration.Both my parents are foreign but i consider myself to be as Irish as the next person, and as an irish republican i believe that that part of the declaration should be upheld.

MadsL

They call themselves Irish because of the descent from ethnically-Irish people. This demonstrates the link between identity and ethnicity, something that the opponents of my views (and mostly the opponents of the Citizenship-referendum coincidentally) try to deny. To deny such a link is to deny human history, and to deny the whole point of the ancient nation states of Europe.

I'm trying really hard to understand what it is you are afraid of;

Do you believe in all seriousness;
1. that the nation of Ireland will suddendly go 'poof' and disappear 'if' and it is a big if, there are more immigrants than 'natives'
2. This will be the end of democracy
3. There will be mass p*ssing on Micheal Collins grave.
4. The world will end
Or is it more likely that the 'nation state' will continue and adjust to its new found make-up like most other countries have.






Oh and by the way talking about "the opponents of my views" in that grand manner sounds a teeny bit paranoid...I mean it is not like we hate yo...oh actually (/me looks at arcadegames reputation)...emmm....never mind.

monument

arcadegame2004 wrote:

and to deny the whole point of the ancient nation states of Europe.

To enforce kingdoms on people?

arcadegame2004 wrote:

Agreed and I am not a holder of xenophobic views,

Now you’re not fearful of people from other places coming here?

xenophobe: a person who strongly dislikes or fears foreigners, their customs, their religions, etc.

So, if you're not fearful and you don’t dislike customs, drink habits, or religions etc of people from other lands (oh, sorry… and other sperm pools too) you’re going to welcome (as colourfully put) our new overloards?

Hobbes

I can't remember the Irish person who said it but.. "You don't realise how much of a minority you really are until you have left Ireland".

mycroft

arcadegame2004 wrote:

Am I right? If so then what do you think Michael Collins etc. fought for?

I think you'll find one of the etc you refer to would be a certain James Connolly. And I think you'll find he'd object to your "down with socialism" comment on previous thread. I also think he and the men (and women) who followed him would find your touting that they died so that 90 years later so some ill informed pettie xenophobic little.... could hold their deaths as justification to support his worldview rather loathsome.

Workers of the world unite, etc...

Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go and do the 21st version of an old 19th form of non violent political action (created by Irishmen) by sending you to coventry. Minus reputation points and adding you to my ignore list.