b*ttorrent speed cr*ppy

SlayerIRL

The files I want are very common too. I've tried azureus,bittornado,bitlord and others and still the same crap speeds. The problem has to be on IOL or €ircons end.

BigO

Ok i'm pretty good with pc's (doing comp sci ) and have tried all the usual stuff to get BT working:

Port Forwading, (I get a green smiley) Changed port as well, A different Client, A diffrent tracker, various upload configs, etc.

Now i'm trying to download an extremely popular (*legal) torrent from filerush.com as a test, and i can't get speed over 25-30 the speed usually creeps at under ten then randomly jumps to over 20 then straight back down this happens me with all torrents and trackers , I'm yet to see anywhere near the 100kb/s+ mark i'd expect with, well i'd probly be happy with 50kb/s.
I'm on eircom home plus.
I first tought it was the upload thing but after trying nearly every possible setting It's safe to say its not that.
All the ports are grand and there is no firewall active.
I have a linksys wrt54g hooked up to the netopia and its seems to work fine for all other p2p, I've even followed other guides for the linksys box and bitttorent of the web but all have been fruitless.

If anyone has any suggestions at all let me know, (and don't say reinstall XP! cause i did that for other reasons and it didn't help )

Bodan

There seems to be a few of you with this problem , so i will chip in with my piece of advice . Im using Bittornado on iol with a sygate firewall

First thing to do is setup your broadband router for port forwarding on ports 6881 - 6999 . Then in Bittornado , click prefs and change your port range from 6881 - 6999 .

Now all that needs to be done is to setup your firewall . Theres so many of them i cant go through . So go here Bittornado's forums and go into the fixing firewalls section . You should find yours in there and how to set it up properly .

Lastly if you got WinXP with service pack 2 apparently it limits the amount of concurrent connections you can have at any time . It has affected alot of p2p software badly , it might be worth a look for the patch if the above does not work for you.

SlayerIRL

My firewalls (hardware + software) are setup properly. My bittorrent clients are setup properly, Trackers are working properly, status lights are green and connection checkers tell me everything is fine. The problem must be on the isp's end. I know it's not affecting everyone but maybe they only have this anti-p2p crap active on certain exchanges? I might e-mail IOL tomorrow and ask them wtf are they doing. I pay for a 2meg connection so I should be able to use it how I please. Bittorrent can be used legally so they really have no right to stop us from using it, and if you think their not all using it themselves think again. I suggest everyone having problems e-mail them and post their reply's up here.

oscarBravo

Bodan wrote:

First thing to do is setup your broadband router for port forwarding on ports 6881 - 6999.

119 forwarded ports?? What civilised application uses 119 ports?

radiospan

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but DON'T upload at your maximum connection speed.

If you have a 128kbps upload like most of us, then uploading at the maximum 12kB/sec will adversely affect your download speed. I usually set my upload speed to somewhere between 7 and 9kB/sec.

oscarBravo

SlayerIRL wrote:

I pay for a 2meg connection so I should be able to use it how I please. Bittorrent can be used legally so they really have no right to stop us from using it

They own the network. You pay them to let you use their network. Seems to me they have every right to decide how you use it.

SlayerIRL

They own the network. You pay them to let you use their network. Seems to me they have every right to decide how you use it.

I pay for a 2meg connection and I can't dl at 2 mb, so I won't be paying them for too much longer.

Bodan

oscarBravo wrote:

119 forwarded ports?? What civilised application uses 119 ports?

There the recommended default bit torrent ports .

aidan_walsh

SlayerIRL wrote:

I pay for a 2meg connection and I can't dl at 2 mb, so I won't be paying them for too much longer.

The stated maximum possible is NEVER the actual throughput, for a number of reasons.

SlayerIRL

The stated maximum possible is NEVER the actual throughput, for a number of reasons.

I know that. Normal http/ftp downloads are fine, but bittorrent dl speeds are worse than I had on 512k because eircom or IOL are throttling them.

oscarBravo

SlayerIRL wrote:

I pay for a 2meg connection

Got a leased line, have you?

SlayerIRL wrote:

and I can't dl at 2 mb, so I won't be paying them for too much longer.

That's your prerogative.

Bodan wrote:

There the recommended default bit torrent ports .

Yeah, I gathered that, but what the hell does it want with 119 incoming ports? The entire world's email shuttles cheerfully to and fro on port 25 alone, not to mention all the http traffic on port 80.

119 ports??

And people wonder why I'm down on P2P?

nadir

doodle_sketch wrote:

The stated maximum possible is NEVER the actual throughput, for a number of reasons.

I max my connection constantly, I was wondering how you came to the above conclusion? cause my ntop logs eem to think otherwise.

OscarBravo wrote:

Yeah, I gathered that, but what the hell does it want with 119 incoming ports? The entire world's email shuttles cheerfully to and fro on port 25 alone, not to mention all the http traffic on port 80.

Email is nice and co-ordinated, leeching shiloads of stuff from hundreds of people at the same time isn't.
Emails arnt fragmented into thousands of pieces and sent separately from different peers, torrents are.
I could easily have 10 torrents running at the same time, each making on average 20 connections, not to mention the torrents ran by my flatemate whose routing through my machine.
torrents work really really well, thats all that matters.

oscarBravo

nadir wrote:

Email is nice and co-ordinated, leeching shiloads of stuff from hundreds of people at the same time isn't.
Emails arnt fragmented into thousands of pieces and sent separately from different peers, torrents are.
I could easily have 10 torrents running at the same time, each making on average 20 connections, not to mention the torrents ran by my flatemate whose routing through my machine.

No offence, but that sounds like a handwaving layman's explanation than anything grounded in technical reality.

Take web browsing, for example. A web page can be fragmented into hundreds of pieces and sent separately from several different peers. I could easily have 10 web pages loading, each making several different connections, not to mention the web pages being browsed by the other machines on my home network.

Granted, there's a slight difference of scale, but it all runs on port 80. Not only that, but all the web browsers of all the PCs on our community network run on port 80, all through one firewall.

What is it about P2P that requires a swathe of ports to be opened?

nadir wrote:

torrents work really really well, thats all that matters.

It may be all that matters to you, but keeping a network running is what matters to a network administrator. As a result, torrents don't work at all on my network.

Hecate

What is it about P2P that requires a swathe of ports to be opened?

This is obvious - It would be bugger all use if it didn't.

If a P2P protocol used the same port, always, no matter how it was implemented. Then ISPs would just throttle traffic on that port or block it outright.

oscarBravo

Hecate wrote:

This is obvious - It would be bugger all use if it didn't.

If a P2P protocol used the same port, always, no matter how it was implemented. Then ISPs would just throttle traffic on that port or block it outright.

Right, so it uses a wide range of ports to make it difficult for the owner of the network to control how that network is used?

There's a point that's being missed here. If a protocol is designed to rape and pillage a network, it will be controlled. If that can't be done by identifying ports - the way all well-behaved protocols have worked since the birth of TCP/IP - it will be done using packet inspection tools like IPP2P.

Vadrefjorde

********* does not allow clients to use ports commonly associated with p2p protocols. The reason for this is that it is a common practice for ISPs to throttle those ports (that is, limit the bandwidth, hence the speed).

The blocked ports list include, but is not neccessarily limited to, the following:

Direct Connect 411 - 413
Kazaa 1214
eDonkey 4662
Gnutella 6346 - 6347
WinMX 6699
BitTorrent 6881 - 6889

In order to use use our tracker you must configure your client to use any port range that does not contain those ports (a range within the region 49152 through 65535 is preferable, cf. IANA). Notice that some clients, like Azureus 2.0.7.0 or higher, use a single port for all torrents, while most others use one port per open torrent. The size of the range you choose should take this into account (typically less than 10 ports wide. There is no benefit whatsoever in choosing a wide range, and there are possible security implications).

These ports are used for connections between peers, not client to tracker. Therefore this change will not interfere with your ability to use other trackers (in fact it should increase your speed with torrents from any tracker, not just ours). Your client will also still be able to connect to peers that are using the standard ports. If your client does not allow custom ports to be used, you will have to switch to one that does

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OscarBravo is correct in what he's saying, having 119 ports open is pointless as can be seen from above.
SlayerIRL, before you go complaining to IOL maybe you'd like to try the following;
1. Install ABC
2. Check if you've got service pack 2 installed. If you do then you'll need to apply the event ID 4226 patch. (google it)
3. Use port settings as recommended above.
4. Double check your firewall settings are correct.
5. Try a few torrents from various sources/trackers.
Some trackers are configured to recognise your upload speed and throttle you accordingly.

SlayerIRL

Vadrefjorde thanks for the suggestions. I've double/triple/quad... Basically I've checked everything a gazillion times. I haven't tried yabc for a while though so I might try that again. Actually I'm downloading something at the moment and although it kept spiking at the start its not going below 80 and it's doing 127 at the moment so I'm happy again. Looks like it's finally back to normal. I didn't change any settings either. Anyone else getting better speeds all of a sudden?

Anarchist

I just lowered up upload and my downloads were much faster, does fck up the ratios though

SwampThing

Could someone point me to a 'popular' torrent - anything really - no porn. I'm just not convinced I'm ruing at 100% here and I'd like to see what spped it downloads at.

I've made the NAT changes described earlier, but you know that niggling feeling all is not well? Well I have it. Thanks.

|Referee|

SwampThing wrote:

Could someone point me to a 'popular' torrent - anything really - no porn. I'm just not convinced I'm ruing at 100% here and I'd like to see what spped it downloads at.

I've made the NAT changes described earlier, but you know that niggling feeling all is not well? Well I have it. Thanks.

just search for popular tv show and get latest episode, usually get up to 1000 seeders for those,
strictly legal of course!

heliguy

JB123 wrote:

Hi guys been trying 4 a while to get good speeds.Im on a netopia caymen (eircom)and iv opened the ports needed .Some times i get 55k mostly its 7k.Can somebody give me the exact settings 4 this router these are the settings im using to create the pinhole in nat.

Protocol Select tcp

External Port Start 6881

External Port End 6999

Internal IP Address 192.168.1.0

Internal Port 6881
Tanx guys

your internal ip is 192.168.1.2
this is stated on eircoms broadband support site