Fitz Mid-Month Madness 18/9 - 4:30pm

Hyzepher

Next month's Fitz game will be in a Shootout format - Info Here - this should bring a little variety to the game.

What did people think of the €25 entry (freezeout) or would you prefer to have a €25 + one €25 rebuy/top-up?

Hyzepher

DeVore

I love the idea of a shootout, but the rebuys I'm not so sure about. Dont get me wrong my favoured structure is a single, expensive rebuy but with the shootout rules I'd prefer no rebuys this time... On a table where everyone rebuys the winner will have twice as many chips as the winner of a table where noone rebuys (unlikely alright).

The winners are taking their chips to the final table right? Or do they all start again from scratch??

DeV.

henbane

Rebuy would get my vote.

DeVore

Last 2 from each table makes sense as I think we'll have about 50 people and therefore 2 from each table of 10 fits nicely for a final table. We'll just have to hope we dont get more then 55!!

DeV.

Marq

With a regular tournament format, I would like to see a €25+€25 game. With a shootout I think it defeats the purpose somewhat, as DeV said above. The whole point is trying to keep the stacks somewhat even at the final table. I like the idea of starting the final table with the same stacks, irrespective of the chip outcomes of the tables, although some might argue that it negates the good work of those that have made the final table. It does allow you to start the blinds from scratch and have a really decent battle at the end. In a strict shoot-out (like the WPC event) there is only one qualifier per table (and one from the runner up table) and they start with the same chips. Perhaps this should be considered.

Hyzepher

DeVore wrote:

The winners are taking their chips to the final table right? Or do they all start again from scratch??
DeV.

They take their chips with them.

Hyzepher

Hyzepher

There are lots of possibilities but we do have some time restraints as we cant really clash with the regular 9pm tournie.

I think the first shoot-out game will be a freeze-out but since we are likely to have 5 tables with 2 from each, we are not going to be able to have a complete even chip count at the final table. Although I bet it wont be far off for most.

Hyzepher

DeVore

some benefit should be given to the first placed finalist from each table (ie: the chip advantage). Its also fair for the tables where second and first were fighting it out for first as then second will have more chips then a very conservative second place who just crept into the final having left the big stack to do all the work.

This is gonna be fun!

DeV.

Hyzepher

I see the tables ending once there are 2 remaining and the chip count for each player going forward to the final table. I dont see 1st and 2nd playing on against each other - I think this would take too long and no real benefit

Hyzepher

Iago

typical, I'm playing a football tournament in belfast that weekend, guess you'll have to do without my money

Iago

great idea though, like the format.

Is there going to be a €50 game next weekend??

DeVore

Hyzepher, aye thats what I was thinking you meant too. I think they should just pick up their chips when the third guy is knocked out and head to the final table where they start with that many chips. There was some confusion that perhaps the final table would start with all players equal, which I think is unfair on those who played well and got first on their table.

Iago, yes there will be a game on Monday 6th of Sept, first monday of the month as usual in the merrion for 50 freeze-out.

DeV.

Lafortezza

The shootout format will mean the the first tables will be finished quite quickly. And people can then go for their €10 SnG's, and the low-limit cash games.
I can't see the first round of games in the tournament lasting more than an hour if they finish when there's two players left.

Hyzepher

So what type of interest do we have in this Saturday's Fitzwilliam tournament?

Hyzepher

bohsman

What happens if the winner of a table knocks out 2nd and 3rd in one hand?

Lafortezza

bohsman wrote:

What happens if the winner of a table knocks out 2nd and 3rd in one hand?

Of the players who were knocked out the one that had more chips will be considered to have placed 2nd.

Marq

and he's out of the tournament and the final table is one person short, right?

karlh

im up for it.

what time you think we'll be kicking off? would be nice if a bit earlier to keep the night free.....

bohsman

Yea I know that luke but are they out or do they get a set amount of chips having qualified for the final table

Waylander

I'll be there

Juan Pablo

Count Juan Pablo in. I'll see if I can get some others off Team "El Syndicato" in. Or I might hold off till the team event to let them loose........

Hyzepher

The format of the shootout will be determined by the number of players we get. I am hoping that we can organise it so that one from each table goes forward but there maybe 2 - in this case we will make a ruling regarding what starting chips the final table has.

Hyzepher

DeVore

If 2nd and 3rd get knocked out by the winner of a given table then:

a. What sort of retards was the guy who ALSO joined in all in when he could have just sat and gone to the final table. Duh.

b. There will be only one person going to final table with ALL the chips from that table. The others are TOO STUPID to sit with the winners. Sorry.


Think of it this way, the top player (with all the chips) and the second player (the one who had the most chips of 2nd and 3rd before they both went out) both go to the final table and the second player can look at cards (but not call since he has no chips) until the blinds get around to him and then he'll be asked to leave.

If you want to embarrass yourself in this humiliating manner then ok but we reserve right point and laugh and offer you loans etc.

DeV.

careca

Realistically, I wouldn't be able to make it til 5.30. Is that way too late ? Match Sat afternoon. Unless we are about 4 or 5 up and then I could leave early. But if you saw our team you would realise that is highly unlikely. I would love to play would not like to arrive in and see 60% of my chips anted away. What do SA think ?

bohsman

two all ins into you youve got aces win this hand you treble up and go onto the final table with a monster, or you get outdrawn. Maybe it would be a stupid call but id be willing to gamble with aces

DeVore

Yeah I suppose you could concoct a situation... though my recent experience against two players with aces hasnt been good! I think the odds drop to less then 60% that you will win against two random hands if memory serves??

Dev..

DeVore

careca wrote:

Realistically, I wouldn't be able to make it til 5.30. Is that way too late ? Match Sat afternoon. Unless we are about 4 or 5 up and then I could leave early. But if you saw our team you would realise that is highly unlikely. I would love to play would not like to arrive in and see 60% of my chips anted away. What do SA think ?

The club opens at 4, we'll be registering people until about 4:45 at the latest. If you can get there before 5:30 we'll put a stack out for you and you should only have lost a couple of blinds. If you want to do this, let us know as its different then a late entry.

DeV.

Hectorjelly

DeVore wrote:

Yeah I suppose you could concoct a situation... though my recent experience against two players with aces hasnt been good! I think the odds drop to less then 60% that you will win against two random hands if memory serves??

Dev..

This is right in theory, however unless your playing a cash game with Mr Pudding you are very unlikely to be up against "random hands" but against good hands that you dominate.

AA vs Ako vs QQ: AA wins 76%
AA vs KK vs QQ: AA wins 67%
AA vs QQ vs 10Qo (the devore special): AA wins 79%

Worst case scenario is something like:
AA vs 10Js vs 67s: AA wins 58%, but luckily very few people go all in with these hands (expect when short stacked and then you have to call anyway).

DeVore

Thanks HJ. Knew we kept you round here for a good reason

But when you say:
AA vs QQ vs 10Qo (the devore special): AA wins 79%

what are the odds of BOTH hands beating the AA ?

I dont know about you but most of those look like either 2:1 or 3:1 at best shots, not sure I'd play them in that situation. Dunno, depends on the difference between the three stacks and a few other things. If I was sitting pretty and reasonably stack and the smaller stack had gone in first and been pounced by the bigger stack I'd let it go.
If it were the bigger stack being jumped by the small stack I might play to try and stop the smaller stack doubling through which is relatively bad for me.

Its a very specialised situation. Like in my bad beat I was hoping for another caller because if I lost the first and won the second I would be back where I started.
If I had gone all in it would have been heads up and I'd have lost 11k but thats poker!
DeV.

Hectorjelly

DeVore wrote:

I dont know about you but most of those look like either 2:1 or 3:1 at best shots, not sure I'd play them in that situation.

In all those situations you are 2:1 or 3:1 to triple up, so except in v exceptional circumstances you should allways call. The only time you should fold is where winning the hand will not materially affect your chances of moving up the pay ladder. If you can fold the hand and reach the final table anyway, with the same stack, then there isnt much point in calling; provided that the two people are even enough that whoever loses is crippled.

Hectorjelly

DeVore wrote:

AA vs QQ vs 10Qo (the devore special): AA wins 79%

what are the odds of BOTH hands beating the AA ?

After some rough back of the envelop calculations, I give it less than a 4% chance.