Men's 5000m - Irish reps.

ecksor

What are you basing that on? I've never heard of any differences in territorial representation between the Olympic games and other IAAF championships (although I have heard of differences in eligibility criteria, e.g. Wilson Kipketer in 1995 and 1996).

Check out http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Great%20Britain

In Munich in 2002 the stadium commentary began by referring to the GB team as "Great Britain" but quickly changed to "Great Britain and Northern Ireland". I was told that this is a common occurance. However, the point is not so much the name as what you mean exactly when you don't include Northern Ireland as being represented by the GB team.

iasc

ecksor wrote:

What are you basing that on? I've never heard of any differences in territorial representation between the Olympic games and other IAAF championships (although I have heard of differences in eligibility criteria, e.g. Wilson Kipketer in 1995 and 1996).

Check out http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Great%20Britain

In Munich in 2002 the stadium commentary began by referring to the GB team as "Great Britain" but quickly changed to "Great Britain and Northern Ireland". I was told that this is a common occurance. However, the point is not so much the name as what you mean exactly when you don't include Northern Ireland as being represented by the GB team.

Yes, Munich 2002 wasnt the Olympics was it?
There is no real difference because if your Northern Irish you can represnt Ireland or Great Britain..like Brizzel and Kuerten
So it doesnt make a difference. Except thats just the way its done

In every other non olympic events, they are referred to as team GB and Ni, on-screen titles, commentators etc...Have you heard them referred to GB and NI at all during the Olympics?

iasc

http://www.olympics.org.uk/press/pressdetail.asp?boa_press_id=286

ecksor

iasc wrote:

Yes, Munich 2002 wasnt the Olympics was it?

I was making a particular point about the naming and why I think you're confused.

iasc wrote:

There is no real difference because if your Northern Irish you can represnt Ireland or Great Britain..like Brizzel and Kuerten
So it doesnt make a difference.

This seems to contradict what you're saying originally about what territories are represented.

iasc wrote:

Except thats just the way its done

I don't know what you mean by that.

iasc wrote:

In every other non olympic events, they are referred to as team GB and Ni, on-screen titles, commentators etc...Have you heard them referred to GB and NI at all during the Olympics?

No, but considering what I posted above about Munich I'm still asking what you're basing the claim that there's a difference on.

The CBS website seems to think you're mistaken btw: http://cbs.sportsline.com/olympics/summer/nations/country/GBR

The BOA seem to think the following:

The British Olympic Association (“BOA”) is the National Olympic Committee (“NOC”) for Great Britain and Northern Ireland

From http://www.olympics.org.uk/press/pressdetail.asp?boa_press_id=196

ecksor

iasc wrote:

http://www.olympics.org.uk/press/pressdetail.asp?boa_press_id=286

I'm not and never was disputing that.

When you posted this

The teams at the Olympics were Great Britain And the team of Ireland
Great Britain consisted of England, Scotland and Wales and The Ireland team consisted athletes representing the Isalnd of Ireland

it seemed to imply that Northern Ireland were not represented on the GB team.

iasc

ecksor wrote:

I'm not and never was disputing that.

When you posted this



it seemed to imply that Northern Ireland were not represented on the GB team.

Eh..CBS, I'd need a better link than an American Site, as for your second link, as you cans ee by the date, it preceeds my link...

The Irish team sent to the Olympics represents the whole Island Of ireland
Team GB represents, England Scotland And Wales, althought if your from Northern Ireland, you can choose to represent them, your not representing Northern Ireland.

ecksor

iasc wrote:

Eh..CBS, I'd need a better link than an American Site, as for your second link, as you cans ee by the date, it preceeds my link...

Your link is more recent but I don't see where it says that the name or the nature of the representation had changed in anyway.

iasc

ecksor wrote:

Your link is more recent but I don't see where it says that the name or the nature of the representation had changed in anyway.

Well, alot of the olympic events we partake in, boxing, swimming...
have all-ireland governing bodies, now the athletics and others have a great britain and northern ireland body, however when the Olympics come round it cant work like that, so you either represent Team Great Britain Or Team Ireland

Pherekydes

iasc wrote:

The Irish team sent to the Olympics represents the whole Island Of ireland
Team GB represents, England Scotland And Wales, althought if your from Northern Ireland, you can choose to represent them, your not representing Northern Ireland.

I'm afraid you're wrong, IASC. The Olympic Council of Ireland represents Ireland. The British Olympic Council represents the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Anybody born in the 6 counties can elect to represent either the UK or Ireland.

iasc

Slow coach wrote:

I'm afraid you're wrong, IASC. The Olympic Council of Ireland represents Ireland. The British Olympic Council represents the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Anybody born in the 6 counties can elect to represent either the UK or Ireland.

Can you back up that the British Olympic Council represents NOrthern Ireland...

iasc

http://www.olympics.org.uk/press/pressdetail.asp?boa_press_id=283


have a read of this while you're loking aorund

ecksor

That link seems to back us up.

Unbeknown to each other both the OCI and BOA have constitutions approved by the IOC acknowledging territorial responsibility for Northern Ireland.

They talk about maintaining the status quo and the other more recent link you put in confirms the status quo.

iasc

Dear xxx,
In reply to your e-mail of 30th August, 2004, the Irish Olympic Team in
Athens was representative of the 32 counties of Ireland.

Yours sincerely,
Barry Holohan,
Administrator.

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Original Message

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From: <xxx>
To: <admin@olympic-council.ie>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:42 PM
Subject: Question


> Hi, I'd just like to have something clarified.
> Is the Irish team in the Olympics representing the Republic Of Ireland or
> the island of Ireland...since alot of sports in Ireland are goverened by
> All-Ireland bodies I was just wondering...thanks
>
> rgds xxx
>
>

ecksor

I don't see anybody disputing that. The disputes have all been purely about who the GB team represents. You yourself showed us that there are two teams with claims of representing athletes from Northern Ireland, Team GB and the Irish Olympic Team.

The Rooster

The fact of the matter is that the 6 Counties of Northern Ireland are represented by both Ireland and Great Britain. Any athlete can choose who to represent, and that's the way it been since the 1920's e.g. Wayne McCullough represented Ireland, Mary Peters represented GB.

For all recent Olympics, when GB have been doing up the Olympic doucmentation, flyers, accreditaiton badges etc., the team has always been called "Great Britain". However, for the Athens Olympics when they produced the documentation the team was called "Great Britain and Northern Ireland".

Pat Hickey had the proverbial canary about this, and sent letter of complaints to both Britain and the head of the Olympic movement. The reason I know all this is that Hickey was on both George Hook's radio show and Matt Cooper's radio show ranting about it (a number of months ago). I've no idea whether he was successful or not in getting the name changed back to just GB.