Online Poker experiences

Imposter

What online poker rooms do you guys make the most money on?

I've only being playing hold'em (and all of that online) for the last 2 months. Previous to that I hadn't played much poker at all but I did know the general rules and whatnot. Basically I played draw poker about 5 or 6 times and never came out on top.

So with this online malarky I am now in profit for my activities. I have accounts at PartyPoker, Ladbrokes and GamingClub. I find Ladbrokes is the easiest place to win and GamingClub is next easiest. maybe it's the structure of the games at PartyPoker but it is the only one of the 3 where I am making a loss.

I seem to do quite well in tournaments (under 20€ freezeouts or under 15€ rebuys) on both Ladbrokes and GamingClub (especially GamingClub), as well as the Ladbrokes S&G turbo tables. Also playing ring games in the .25/.5 PL or NL tables in Ladbrokes has been good to me. On these tables on GamingClub though I am not doing so well. I think this might be because GamingClub has cheaper tables so the punters at these tables are better betters.

So what sites and what type of games are most profitable for you?

Batbat

Imposter wrote:

What online poker rooms do you guys make the most money on?

I've only being playing hold'em (and all of that online) for the last 2 months. Previous to that I hadn't played much poker at all but I did know the general rules and whatnot. Basically I played draw poker about 5 or 6 times and never came out on top.

So with this online malarky I am now in profit for my activities. I have accounts at PartyPoker, Ladbrokes and GamingClub. I find Ladbrokes is the easiest place to win and GamingClub is next easiest. maybe it's the structure of the games at PartyPoker but it is the only one of the 3 where I am making a loss.

I seem to do quite well in tournaments (under 20€ freezeouts or under 15€ rebuys) on both Ladbrokes and GamingClub (especially GamingClub), as well as the Ladbrokes S&G turbo tables. Also playing ring games in the .25/.5 PL or NL tables in Ladbrokes has been good to me. On these tables on GamingClub though I am not doing so well. I think this might be because GamingClub has cheaper tables so the punters at these tables are better betters.

So what sites and what type of games are most profitable for you?

I kept losing on the cash holdem tables in pokerstars, however I make a profit on the sit and go tournaments, only started playing this weekend.

DeVore

I have just GOTTA get me some of this online action. Making profit in the real life clubs is hard work! I've made about 2-300 a month profit from the Fitz over the last 6 months but reports from players who play online sound like its taking candy from babies...

I'm gettin' a credit card soon so then I'll have a go myself!

DeV.

okidoki987

I've been playing Pokerstars and Paradise for a year now and find Pokerstars
is the hardest to win on the cash games.
Make small money on the S 'n G's.
Tried Party Poker but didn't like the graphics or the fact the site kept crashing
on me.
Anybody know how to get the dosh back if you deposit with a CC.
(I think they can't refund to a CC?).

andersde10

Played PartyPoker and Paradise and easily prefer paradise, wider choice of games - can play from as little as $0.02/0.04 games if your still learning up to the larger no limit games. Prefer the graphics on paradise too, there's just too much going on with party's graphics for you to concentrate. Paradise also has a big buck tourney, for $1 you can enter and play up to 700 people, its a really good way to learn full online tourney games, winner would take home about $140 which isn't bad considering its only costing you $1 to play.

Imposter

I haven't had any reason to investigate how to withdraw money from PartyPoker but I presume if you go into the Cashier section and try to withdraw they'll give you the options.

I know with gamingclub you need to withdraw to a click2Pay account (or some other option provided) and then from there withdraw to your CC.

Ladbrokes make you move the money into your main ladbrokes account and then you can withdraw it direct to CC.

Hectorjelly

DeVore wrote:

I have just GOTTA get me some of this online action. Making profit in the real life clubs is hard work! I've made about 2-300 a month profit from the Fitz over the last 6 months but reports from players who play online sound like its taking candy from babies...

I'm gettin' a credit card soon so then I'll have a go myself!

DeV.

Its not the fact that any specific game is easier, it can & cant be, its the choice and speed of games that make the difference. To play an offline tournament you have to head into town, wait round for it to get started and then spend the entire evening listening to Joe sing bits of the same song constantly. You can get very experienced very quickly online, because of the speed of play, and the ability to play multiple games at once.

You are also very limited in your choice of games offline, its very hard to get a proper hold em ring game in Dublin. Either the stakes are miniscule or your playing half hold em & half omaha.

I think offline you are also more dependant on luck for any one paticular tournament, as you tend to play about half as many hands.

DeVore

All of that is true. No argument here. But I have heard some players who's play is ropey at best talk of making quite a bit of money online. I have to think that the standard online must be pretty poor because in a tournament in the Fitz I'd consider these players dead money. (No offence to anyone!).

I guess my question is, is the standard in an online 20Euro tournie worse then the standard in the 20-euro in the Fitz?

DeV.

Imposter

DeVore wrote:

I guess my question is, is the standard in an online 20Euro tournie worse then the standard in the 20-euro in the Fitz?
DeV.

I can't comment on what the Fitz is like but once you get to the last 10%ish of players the game really tightens up. The blinds are not all that substantial once you have an average stack but the players betting are better and the bets they place really put a lot of people off hands they would have gone for earlier in the game when the bet put in weren't as good.

Final table then is generally all-in or nothing unless it's only guys with top stacks. At least this is what I have seen from relatively low cost tournees (20$ max but usually 5$ or 10$)

Batbat

DeVore wrote:

All of that is true. No argument here. But I have heard some players who's play is ropey at best talk of making quite a bit of money online. I have to think that the standard online must be pretty poor because in a tournament in the Fitz I'd consider these players dead money. (No offence to anyone!).

I guess my question is, is the standard in an online 20Euro tournie worse then the standard in the 20-euro in the Fitz?

DeV.

Its not that the online standard is worse (which it can be), its that you play more hands, the blinds last longer, so you have more of a chance to play the odds and measure people up, but Im just a beginner, just my opinion

bohsman

People saying theyre making money and people actually making money are two completely different things Tom, I am up online it just requires a lot of patience, no offence but you may have some problems cos its all speed poker only ten seconds or so to act and people will complain if you take too long

Hectorjelly

DeVore wrote:

All of that is true. No argument here. But I have heard some players who's play is ropey at best talk of making quite a bit of money online. I have to think that the standard online must be pretty poor because in a tournament in the Fitz I'd consider these players dead money. (No offence to anyone!).

I guess my question is, is the standard in an online 20Euro tournie worse then the standard in the 20-euro in the Fitz?

DeV.

To be honest there is no answer to this, my blood always boils when I hear players in the merrion (older usually) talk about online games, there is such a huge variety of games available that making blanket statements about the standard for online/offline play is a bit silly IMO.

I dont think there would be much difference in standard for that type of stakes, but the whole nature of the game is very different. This might explain why someone who is seen as a weaker player can do well online.

There are some places online where the standard is extremely poor, but these tend to be for very low stakes and as such is not really a fair comparison.

Fathead

any of you guys play on victor chandler poker. If so what do you think and what others do you recomend

Imposter

Hectorjelly wrote:

There are some places online where the standard is extremely poor, but these tend to be for very low stakes and as such is not really a fair comparison.

And these would be where?

Hectorjelly

Imposter wrote:

And these would be where?

Low stakes limit at Party Poker, and low stakes no limit at Party Poker!
(2 4 limit, & the 25nl games)

Hectorjelly

Fathead wrote:

any of you guys play on victor chandler poker. If so what do you think and what others do you recomend

I play mainly on VC. Only major gripe is the lack of hand histories, but apparently these are on the way. Party has the weakest players of all the sites (IMO) but I really hate the software there. What stakes/games are you interested in?

Juan Pablo

For all you Omaha lovers out there I would reccomend Ultimate Bet. An Omaha tourney at 7 every evening, what a nice way to unwind from a days work....

TwoShedsJackson

The standard on Party 2/4 is absolutely abysmal, it's worse even than the 1/2 - limit poker online might suit you Tom, being mathematically inclined, however it is incredibly mechanical and therefore not at all exciting.

Having said that, people will call to the end with any 2 and suck out on you regularly, so from a bad beat point of view it could be rough on your fragile psyche.

mewso

I'm a bit of a diehard vc man myself. The idea of a lower standard is more to do with the increase in numbers. With more players there are more bad players.
VC is not the most lucrative, Party Poker by all acounts being so popular is bound statistically to have more weaker players, but I'm very comfortable with VC and it's software. Second for me would then be Ultimate bet. Almost all the others are like some kind of cartoon poker and I just don't like it.
I find that STTs (Single Table Tournaments) are best suited to me for making money. Not huge money but I have been on VC for 2 years and I'm up. I 'aint rich but then I haven't got enough time to dedicate to it.
No matter what online site you play on to make money requires time more than anything else, which at the moment I rarely seem to have enough of.

Hippo

I can recommend mid-stakes (2/4, 3/6) limit on VC. If you're patient and have a large enough stack to surf the occasional suckout it's possible to grind out decent cash. I read on american sites like twoplustwo about making 1-2 BB per hour in the cash games. In my experience on VC you can do a lot better than this, many of the players are truly awful. There's been some tightening up recently, mainly as a result of posts like this one on some of the big forums and the consequent appearance of proper cash players hunting for fish. I've not played in a while because I cashed out to pay for the summer holiday and found the grind of waiting for the killer hands too tedious. If you're looking for a part-time job while watching tv you could do worse...

richie17

are there any sites where you don't have to download software? I haven't got the net at home, but would love to play poker online. So that means an internet cafe, or after hours at work. The latter would be ok, but I can't download stuff.

Thoughts/recommendations?

Marq

Pokerroom.com have both a downloadable client and a java applet which means that you can play in internet cafes without having to download the software. I was excited about this until I discovered that I'm behind a big bleedin' firewall here in work, so I can't connect to their server. Reckoned with all the free time I have in work playing online poker I could have doubled or trebled my hourly wage. and get fired. ah well, we can still dream.

Imposter

I'm just after discovering that I can't withdraw money direct to my CC from gamingClub (or Click2Pay which is one of their ways of withdrawing). How does anyone else who uses this withdraw money, preferably direct to CC or bank account (Click2Pay can send me a 'Check' but I'd prefer the other ways)?

Marq

I always get the money sent direct by cheque from the online cardroom. I prefer that to any of those "online payment account" type thingies such as NetTeller or Click2Pay (you can't trust anything that uses a digit for a word). good to get cheques cos you can let them build up and it's easier to resist the temptation to spend it all when it goes back on your card.

Evil Genius

The reason why you cant get money paid back into your credit card is because you have a Mastercard. Mastercard dont allow payments into an account from third parties. Visa on the other hand do, which is why i have recently changed my card to a Visa Card, and can withdraw money into it without any problems.

Imposter

Evil Genius wrote:

The reason why you cant get money paid back into your credit card is because you have a Mastercard. Mastercard dont allow payments into an account from third parties. Visa on the other hand do, which is why i have recently changed my card to a Visa Card, and can withdraw money into it without any problems.

Actually that's wrong on a few counts. I have a Visa card and GamingClub does not allow people to withdraw directly to any credit card.

Healio

I use betfair poker not too bad, i lost about €40 tonite, but went to the womans tennis and put the balance of the account(€167.35) on jenny capriati after she went a set down, im smiling now!!

its also the end of my online poker days for a while.

Juan Pablo

I get a cheque sent from UB, usually takes around 5 days. Visa or Mastercard matters not, they just dont offer the service to us overseaers. They use something called Firepay. Of which I have no idea whatsoever. Oscar was saying he gets his Betfair poker money at the cash desk in the merrion. Which seems handy.

Samba

Online play differs to live, one is not easier than the other, the difference with live play is the ability to play a large number of tables at once and thus increasing your chances, I would be the first to admit that my live play is considerably worse than my online play as quite naturally i play far more online games, i've never played Tournament in my life bar the freeroll and home games.

I think in order to learn how to start making decent money online, when starting you probably lose money but it's a learning process.

Play a cash game online like you would a tourney in the Fitz and i am afraid to say you would get eaten alive for numerous reasons, to make money needs extreme patience, self control and a strict set of rules, The style of play in the Cash games is very different from Tourney play, play the Tournaments as you would in the Fitz online and yes you can do well.

I know of quite a few guys who i am friendly with on various different programmes who have never won a live tournament in their life, yet have been playing online professionally for up to three years.

It's a different ball game, do not be under the impression that it is as easy as taking candy, some days i Will not see a C. for up to 2-3 hours of play, Patience Pays......

Personally I think Live and online suit certain people, personally i'll play online over a casino any day, probably because at this stage I am so used to seeing 4 hands in the space of 1-2 minutes, whereas in live play I will see ine hand what every 5 minutes. (I literally can't sit and play one online game at time, it's a minimum of three to keep me happy, anything less and I am bored)

There are alot of very tight players in online cash games who demand respect and rightly so, talking mainly about ladbrokes here.

If you want to make serious money, play on sites that allow American Players, they are bold dangerous and big risk takers, problem with this is that you run in to serious bad beat territory.

I Recently opened an account on Bet 365, its the same program as ladbrokes but they allow American Players.

Heres one, Dealt AA, bet 7, eveyone folds to bb who raises 14, I call, flop brings A56 Rainbow, i go all in (had 150 on 25.50 table) guy calls, Im thinking maybe he has KK, turn brings 4s and the river 8hs.


the guy turns over 72o............ How would you react to a hand like?

Yes this player was American and possibly the worst player i have ever seen but luck can kill you some times..

After that i withdrew my cash from bet365 and have yet to return to their tables.

It's idiots like this that can sometimes be the most dangerous players.

DeVore

Something very very similar to that put me out of the SA game last Monday when there was 14,000 chips in the centre. runner runner to form a straight for someone holding an inferior pair. I just wanted out of the room as quickly as possible.

DeV.

Iago

I'm convinced that online sites are rigged for bad players, I was playing last night in a couple of single table games on VC 15 and 25 $ tables, as well as a 2,500 freeroll later on.

On the $15 table in the first hand I was dealt A8o and was first to act, I raised from 50 to 250, next player folds, following player raises 500, next player goes all-in, fold around to the BB who also goes all-in. (This is the first hand!) needless to say I fold, and the player that raised to 500 also goes all-in...cards turn over

P1 4h 8h
P2 2s 2c
P3 Ad As

Flop comes down Kh 10h 2d Turn is 5h and river was a rag. The guy who went all-in with 4h8h wins with a flush!! With AA finishing 3rd.

this continued throughout the game, players would go all-in with nothing and invariably hit cards. Culminating in the hand I went out on..

I had QQ and about 1,200 in chip, blinds were 100-200, and there were 5 players left. I was last to act and everybody had folded to the SB and BB, so I raised all-in, SB calls and BB folds..so I'm thinking I've walked into KK or AA or at the very least A with a strong kicker, SB turns over 22.......great I'm going to double through, flop was rags and I'm miles head, turn put a pair on the board but I'm still miles ahead with only the river to go and of course the river is a 2 to knock me out.

Out of morbid curiousity and to stop myself smashing the laptop I continued to watch as the game went on. In every hand where there was an all-in the worst hand going into it won out, at least 20 times this happened...

My personal theory is that the random number generator is set up to favour the players with the worst hand. My reasoning is that the good players will continue to play anyway believing "I'll get him in the long run" and the weaker players will continue to play because they think it's easy.

On the other hand if the strongest hand won every time invariably it would be the better players who had it and the weaker players would stop putting money in therefore reducing the profit of the site...

Maybe I'm just too cynical, but i'm rapidly getting sick of being beaten by rubbish time and again..