Rule about showing 1 or 2 cards

Mr. Flibble

A mate of mine insists that if you show one of your cards that you must show the other one too. I don't mean at a showdown, but after all the other cards have been mucked and you have won the pot. Is this true?

Lafortezza

I've heard various conflicting rules about this but I think in the Fitzwilliam, if you show one card after the pot is considered yours, anyone may ask to see both your cards. Its considered a bit cheeky to ask since people usually show a card that indicates they weren't bluffing, like flashing an Ace in their hand when the board shows AAxxx.

It depends on where you're playing of course, I'd say different casinos have different rules, and if its a home game then its house rules.

cormie

That rule applies in both Fitz and Merrion.

Personally I think it's a petty, stupid rule. Maybe there is a deeper, meaningful reason for it that I'm ignorant of this early in the morning, but hustling/cheating comes to mind. But in general I think it's terrible, especially when people don't know it applies and they have to show the other one too.

Waylander

I think I have seen that rule enforced on Late night Poker or WPT also. I have never used it, but I am not sure I agree with you Cormie. Seeing the second card can give you some information for the future hands.

Krusty_Clown

I'm not too fond of the rule, but if it's there, I will make use of it. There were quite a few grumblings about it last night.. Seems to have been a recent revelation.

One player in particular was revealing his Ace/King on a number of occasions, and trying to stuff his second card into the muck in order to avoid revealing it..

careca

Krusty_Clown wrote:

One player in particular was revealing his Ace/King on a number of occasions, and trying to stuff his second card into the muck in order to avoid revealing it..

Ya, I was at that table too Krusty. Was that you two to the right of the dealer (made final table) ? I was the small stack that managed to sneak on to the final table.

I personally don't agree with the rule and its the opposite in the US (show one doesn't mean you have to show the other card). It should be the same rule everywhere, not dependent on the casino you are in. I can see a right argument some night over it.

Hectorjelly

AFAIK, this rule came into being as a minsunderstanding of the other rule, show one show all, which means that you if you flash your cards to somebody at the table, you must show them to the rest of the players as well.

Theres a few times in the wsop coverage where a player shows the irrelevant card, making it look like hes bluffing.

Marq

This is not in fact the case: the rule actually evolves from showdown situations in Omaha, where when there is a showdown you must show all of your starting hand cards. This isn't that strictly applied unless it needs to be, but the "show one, show both" idea comes from that. Why it has come to apply to situations when a player has won a pot and flashed a card I do not know, but I do know that it's much more common in European card-rooms. As was said above, this rule does not apply in America.

I disagree with the rule myself, but I will enforce it at the table because it's just that - one of the rules. When you play in a card-room you have to accept that it has its own house rules. Even the Merrion and the Fitz have very different house rules in certain situations - coming in on the big blind being one of them (ridiculous, missing two hands, what a joke, ahem). A european body is currently working on a standardized set of rules, whether they will be universally adopted remains to be seen.

Unfortunately if you're playing in a card-room with this rule you show a card at your peril. I personally think that seeing as noone has paid to see any of your cards, they shouldn't complain when they get to see one for free. It can be frustrating when someone shows you an ace and you really want to know what their kicker is, but I think you should have to pay for that information, so stop whinging. Of course, if I'm dealing, and you ask, I'll force the other player to do it. go figure.

Must say I hate when people show one card. You're cowards, every last one of ye.

Krusty_Clown

careca wrote:

Ya, I was at that table too Krusty. Was that you two to the right of the dealer (made final table) ? I was the small stack that managed to sneak on to the final table.

Yep, think that was me Grey shirt. You're the guy off to the Chelsea V Liverpool game, right? (bastard! )

Krusty_Clown

Marq wrote:

Of course, if I'm dealing, and you ask, I'll force the other player to do it. go figure.

I asked one player to reveal his other card, based on the rule I'd heard earlier at one of the other tables. I don't really like it, but it would be a mistake not to use every piece of available information to hand..

careca

Krusty_Clown wrote:

. You're the guy off to the Chelsea V Liverpool game, right? (bastard! )

Yep, thats me. Been to see them (Liverpool) about 10 times. Never beaten. That could be about to change!!!!

Krusty_Clown

Maybe you shouldn't go! Tempting fate

Corben Dallas

this pretty much is a hse rule theres no hard and fast do/dont on this.
Suited Aces should make their own Hse rule for all their tournies.
As in you can reveal one only or both only.

Also seen a few players delibrately fire their cards into the dead card pile denying players (even the ones who've paid to see em) so they use the 'cards have been mucked' line so they dont have to show.
This sails very close to the area of unfair play imo.

Anyways SA should make a hse rule on the reveal one only or reveal both, its often left to a kangaroo court of players who demand to see the cards where u woundnt have a chance in hell of seeing theirs if roles reversed.

Mr. Flibble

So far I haven't seen any good reason to enforce the rule of showing both cards, so my house rules won't include that one, as much as I hate to side with the Americans

Lafortezza

Hectorjelly wrote:

Theres a few times in the wsop coverage where a player shows the irrelevant card, making it look like hes bluffing.

I love doing that, it really annoys people sometimes. The board showing AAKxx and you flash the 3 of clubs or something after everyone folds.