Suited Aces and The Merrion

MadsL

Talking of the Merrion, which you weren't. I played the Weds tournie - and they were advertising a charity tournie which took place tonight to benefit Make A Wish foundation - thing was they were charging €10 registration! Now, to give them the benefit of the doubt, maybe this was donated too, but if it wasn't...........

mewso

The charity tourney in the merrion, which I had planned to play when I first heard of it, was as far as I know €150 with €50 going to charity. So any reg. fee presumably was to cover merrion costs.

Iago

Iago wrote:

I would like to third this motion, just a pity DeV won't be able to experience it first hand seen as how he has BSOP hoodoo! Don't worry DeV, I'll send you a photo of it

Wow I got -7 Rep points for this post - if I cared I would be very upset ~ probably...

anyway I think I'm going to start a poll and a campaign to get rep disabled, it's obviously just being abused by people who are jealous of my BSOP ranking

DeVore

lol.... wasnt me!

DeV

amp

Iago wrote:

Wow I got -7 Rep points for this post - if I cared I would be very upset ~ probably...

anyway I think I'm going to start a poll and a campaign to get rep disabled, it's obviously just being abused by people who are jealous of my BSOP ranking

But obviously you're not going to, cos you don't care, right?

Iago

yeah pretty much although I just got another -2, soon I will be in the red ~ which is probably fitting all things considered!

at least I know I'm getting to people, now if that can carry onto the tables I'll start making easier money

Iago

ok so now I have a total of -11 for my post from 4 different users ~ none of which were kind/brave enough to leave their names.

see Davey, you've been requesting people give you negative points without success, all you have to is show a sense of humour and you'll be slated

all fun and games until someone loses an eye!

Drakar

Hmm, I gave you +ve rep as I thought it was a funny post. Wonder is it working correctly... I don't think people pay that much attention to it though (I've never checked anyone's rep)

Iago

Drakar wrote:

Hmm, I gave you +ve rep as I thought it was a funny post. Wonder is it working correctly... I don't think people pay that much attention to it though (I've never checked anyone's rep)

cheers Drakar, you will be justly rewarded don't doubt, and thanks to all the other believers we will defeat the infidels and rise up again and so on and so forth..

on a related note I see DeV unfortunately didn't qualify for this months final (sorry about that Dev, although it justifies my initial post so in a way I'm happy, while being very sad...) and yes I do realise that my rep will take another hit because of this but I can't help myself

MadsL

musician wrote:

The charity tourney in the merrion, which I had planned to play when I first heard of it, was as far as I know €150 with €50 going to charity. So any reg. fee presumably was to cover merrion costs.

Which was really my point...why were they not 'donating' their costs, seems a bit tight, however if they ran spot prizes etc... (anyone know?)

bohsman

it was 150 with 40 for charity and 10 for the merrion

MadsL

Did the Merrion donate anything Oscar???

bohsman

Not that Im aware of.

Obscure

Hyzepher wrote:

Suited Aces would like to continue the relationship with the Merrion as it gives everyone a better choice and more tornaments for everyone to enjoy. There are things that we need to sort out and we hope to do this tonight.

Hyzepher

Did SA get to talk to the Merrion and what came out of it? Are they doing their own 50 freeze-out from now on?

pokertroll

I notice they are in fact advertising a monthly monday night 50 freeze out.
Maybe they are assuming it is the SA event but if it is not endorsed by SA, it is their prerogative to run such an event if they think the demand is there.

Maybe SA should get on to them about it but why should SA care? Not trying to be controversial here, but great as the last tournament was, would there be any difference if the club ran the tournament itself? They only difference I could see was the clientele - It wasn't far removed from a regular Merrion tourney only the prize fund was lower. SA were looking for a 50 freezeout so maybe now they have one without having to do any of the work.

They are also advertising a new monthly 200 Euro Freezout, starting on Saturday October 9th with feeder satellites on Mondays (freebie) and in the hours preceding the event itself.

Which was really my point...why were they not 'donating' their costs, seems a bit tight

Why the hell should they? - I don't think it is anybodies business whether or not they donated their registration fee or other monies to charity. Personally I don't know, but c'mon, get off your high horse and stop looking for another excuse to criticise, they are a business and if they did take any money, it would not nearly cover the costs of running such an event. It might cover food and refreshments though.

Hectorjelly

What is the point in the post poker troll? Why are you so desperate to defend the merrion against every percieved slight? Nobody said that the merrion wasnt free to run its own 50 Euro FO.

pokertroll

Sorry for upsetting you hector, I've been away for a while and was just responding to comments made at the start of this thread.

What is the point in the post poker troll?

I'm just stating my opinion of the matter in question (the subject of this thread) and some of the comments that have been made about the charity event. Isn't that what these bulletin boards are for?

Okay my comments may not have been unfavourable to the club (unlike a lot of the comments that have been made) but should they therefore be construed to be defensive? I don't think so.

karlh

please not this again......

pokertroll does not work for the merrion.

everyone is not out to get pokertroll.

back to the event in the merrion:

any news on whether SA are running another payday monday freezeout or have they nicked it?

mewso

I've generally agreed with alot of what you have said Poketroll in the past in defence of the Merrion. I'll have to talk to you about why last months SA €50 tourney is one time I will not agree with any defence. I'm not going to go into details on boards. I've been very careful not to express any opinion on the events that occurred.
I also think it's very important to realise that the demand for a €50 tourney on a monday night exists because the interest has been generated here. Boards & SuitedAces effectively brought the crowd to the game and I strongly think that if it wasn't endorsed here it would not succeed but that just my opinion.

pokertroll

Fair point Muso - yes you brought the crowd to the event and it would be unfair on SA if they were to push you guys out. As I said before, I don't know at all whether or not they are going on their own on this one. It is possible that they are just expecting an SA event but you know more about this than me. If you need any help dealing with the management of the club give me a shout and I'm sure I can help to turn things around in your favour.

BTW stop calling me poketroll! It is downright offensive!

Waylander

I agree with Muso there, and I have generally agreed with your previous psot Pokertroll. I think the underhanded manner in which they are trying to usurp the SA tournie is well out of order. If they want to set up a Freeze out for €50 on a differnet night that would not clash that would be fine, but they essentially got SA to do their market research to see if the demand was there, then tried to shaft them last month and are now trying to steal the entire tournament. If this is true, I will not be entering the tournament at any stage and I am sure most of the posters here would be in the same boat. So with a bit of luck if they do try to set it up they will fall on their faces and lose a few regular\semi regular customers.

mewso

pokertroll wrote:

BTW stop calling me poketroll! It is downright offensive!

Sorry I'll stick to Mark then it's easier to spell. Anyway I'm sure Hyzepher will post here at some point but I think I should curb any Merrion bashing by saying that to the best of my knowledge things are sorted. As I say Hyzepher will probably fill ye in on the details.

MadsL

Why the hell should they? - I don't think it is anybodies business whether or not they donated their registration fee or other monies to charity. Personally I don't know, but c'mon, get off your high horse and stop looking for another excuse to criticise, they are a business and if they did take any money, it would not nearly cover the costs of running such an event. It might cover food and refreshments though.

A little more than a business, they are a casino for god's sake - does it not strike you as bad PR to ask players to give €40 each to the charity, and then ask for a registration-fee from each player. Surely this should have been waived or donated...I don't like the idea of businesses, as you point out they are, taking in money on the "but it's for charity" thing.

It's My lovely horse and I don't care how high it is.

'Why the hell should they? - I don't think it is anybodies business whether or not they donated their registration fee or other monies to charity'

If they are in fact taking the reg fee etc, they are making a profit, and thus it is not a charity event ini reality. But yet they are claiming its a charity event to get players in. Thats pretty low form I would say, ethically
~once again, the merrion shows its love for the player and the public~~

~el rifle~

DapperGent

Things are all hunky dory between SA and the Merrion, in case anyone is worried.

Payday Monday will be going ahead as normal on the 4th of October, if I have my dates right.

I'm sure Herr Hyzepher will be along to add anything if he feels the need.

DeVore

Hang on, none of us know whats going on or what happened so its a bit unfair to put the boot in without evidence.

DeV.

DapperGent

Deleted User wrote:

If they are in fact taking the reg fee etc, they are making a profit, and thus it is not a charity event ini reality. But yet they are claiming its a charity event to get players in. Thats pretty low form I would say, ethically

In fairness the reg fee (for any casino) does barely cover the costs (and a lot of the time doesn't even) of a given tournament, when you bear in mind the cost of paying the dealers, free drinks, snacks etc.

Any charity event has to cover it's logistical costs. If the merrion pocketed a reg fee from a charity tournament they'd be perfectly within their rights to do so (and we don't even know if they did) as it would only be for the purpose of covering their costs. Plus at the end of the day money was raised for charity which is all to the good.

At the end of these charity things some players give their prize money to the charity, some don't and keep their winnings. The player who gives his prize money away is doing something over and above any expected donation, the player who pockets money is doing nothing wrong.

As far as I'm concerned anyone who organises a charity event and then covers their costs is doing nothing wrong. Their contribution to the charity is measured in the effort they put into organising the event not in sticking their hand in their own pocket after they've already done the work. But that's just me.