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I hate SOE
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22-09-2004 11:00pm#1
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Have to agree with Memnoch here. Having played both BH and Jedi along with some FoTM toons, and in SWG the more time and effort it takes you to level up/master a profession the weaken you character is when finished.
Jedi is a dreadful grind. Not even taking into account the amount of time and effort and sheer boredom as grinding out class's in the hope of opening your FS slot is bad enough but the Jedi grind is just painful. It takes forever to level up, you MUST hunt alone and that gets so boring its makes you rather watch paint dry than log into SWG due to the insane amount of exp needed to fill the later boxes. The penalty for dying is so unfair. 200k was a kick in the teeth but this 400k is a click of the cancel subscription button and no mistake.
The Jedi class is quite good vs ranged combat class's but get owned by most if not all melee class's. Its a complete joke that a TKA or Master Swordsman which take 3 days max to level up to Master can take apart a Jedi character that takes 6 months + to master. Swordsman is the easiest to level and one of most powerful class's in the game and the mobs I could solo with non uber gear was shocking. With my uber gear I was unstoppable. I could rant on more about how Jedi suck but until you have experienced the class you can never understand how weak a class and how unfun to play a Jedi character.
As a BH I found it sad at how easy I could take out a Jedi 1 v 1. The element of surprise is always with the BH and once you play it cool and wait for the Jedi to be there speeder and fighting a few eyes shots from a good Scatter pistol = 1 dead Jedi. BH while a class that needs some lovin should never be able to take apart a Jedi with such ease but should kick major ass vs other combat profs.
To sum up, only in SWG can you not only take a knife to a gun fight and win but you win with ease against superior numbers
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There is a delay yes, but the helmet is the only piece you really need and that goes on first in the macro.. so the effective delay is only a second or two. When I was PVPing with my TKM no BH had a chance against me, they suck.
Anyway, since you're pissed at SWG what are you playing now? Planetside is good fun.. :P
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Well jedi don't seek revenge. If you were a dark jedi a perm TEF on rebel BHs would be good I guess.
Though i've seen a guy on farstar taking 100k-1mil bounties out on people. He puts it in his bio how much he'll pay for the death screenies saying "This is from <insert name>". Not a bad idea really - that's how REAL bounties should work. Not some mission terminal
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You suck! But yeah, there are an awful lot of people leaving the game atm - mostly the really top players who've put a lot of time in and realise how crap things have become. Most of the best players of my old guild KDS have left in the last two months.
Why not try Star Wars Battlefront for some SW-based online ownage?
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1. Bounty Hunter payouts
Bounty Hunter Payouts Have Been Adjusted Based on the Level of the Jedi - Non-Force ranked Jedi will always be worth at least 25k credits. Force Ranked Jedi will always be worth at least 50k credits.
A Jedi mission will be worth 1000 credits per skill point of the Jedi. However, there is a 3 day timer associated with it. AFTER a BH completes a mission that Jedi's mission will go down to 25K for non FRS Jedi and 50K for FRS Jedi.
wrong, this is broken, if you die to a BH you will be BACK at FULL value on the bounty hunter terminals within 20 minutes. So you are worth 300k, u die, 20 minutes later its the SAME AGAIN. Also the "examples" above are kind of misleading. I'm a very low level Padwan jedi, and have hardly any skills, even so i'm worth nearly 100k, the reason for this is that the lowest level Padwan skills cost 8 skill points, so are you climb up the tree the skill point costs decrease. the end result is that even low/mid level jedi are worth a lot of money and loose a lot of EXP when they are killed. Again to reiterate, this is NOT working, it IS broken, and you WILL end up back on the terminals at full value within 20 minutes.Jedi Experience Loss:
That has not changed. However, it always has been twice the bounty amount, not a flat amount of 30K.
So, if a bounty is worth 65K, then the Jedi will lose 130K experience, when the bounty goes down to 25K, then the exp. penalty will be 50K. This helps prevent exploits and of course should make most Jedi think twice before heading to POIs etc., where they will get on terminals almost instantly.
wrong again, this has EFFECTIVELY changed. Before this, if you died you lost 30k on death and only lost more IF you had to clone, you could be ressed by a doctor and avoid this painful experience. Now, however WHEN you die you take the FULL exp loss, and an ADDITIONAL 200k when you clone. This helps griefing, and as it stood jedi didn't really like hanging around POI's.All bounty TEFs should now be cleared correctly upon death from a bounty hunter.
also broken, BH are keeping TEF's and missions even after death blows.A Jedi must perform a death blow against a bounty hunter to cause the hunter's mission to fail, instead of just incapacitating them.
this makes no difference whatsoever. Even if u kill the BH and DB them, you MAY cause their mission to fail, but they will take no real loss, retake the mission on u and this time bring friends to help kill you, the only alternative is to run away.2. Visibility
Jedi should now be able to completely clear their visibility after 3 weeks if they don't do anything else to increase it during this time.
Visibility is gained when drawing your lightsaber or using force powers for each NPC or non allied PC within range (32m).
Equipping a lightsaber, starting combat with a lightsaber and every Jedi action (powers and lightsaber specials) all have a visibility modifier. Each PC or NPC (non-animal) that observes a Jedi performing one of those actions based on their faction will increase the Jedi's visibility. An opposed faction member will increase visibility by the full amount, an allied faction member will increase it by 1/4 the amount and any neutral will increase it by 1/2 the amount."
All PCs and all non-animal NPCs that observe a Jedi performing any of the above stated actions (observed as defined as within 32 meters) will contribute to an increase in the Jedi's Visibility Value (JVV).
An opposing faction member who views this action will add the full value of the action to the Jedi Visibility Value.
A Neutral PC or non-animal NPC will increase the JVV by 50 percent of the action's Jedi Visibility Modifier.
A same-faction PC or non-animal NPC will increase the JVV by 25 percent of the action's Jedi Visibility Modifier.
Being grouped with a PC or non-animal NPC who is viewing this action has no influence on how Jedi Visibility is obtained.
3 weeks - thats 3 weeks of NOT playing your charecter AT ALL
the rest of the stuff posted is again NOT true. there are people who haven't played the game for 2-3 weeks, and log in to find themselves on the terminals and dead within minutes of logging on. People have been following ALL the above rules and STILL ended up on the terminals. One of the devs even hinted that using any force at all causes "vader" to sense you. And the fact is that this is the most likely explanation. So essentially, as long as you are playing your jedi, you WILL end up on the terminals and your visibilty WILL increase, even if you follow ALL of the above steps, I know because this is what I've done.3. Tips and advice
Have the radar enlarged to approximately 1/6 of the screen and on 128m range.
Have the combat-window separate so you can quicky see if you are attacked by a player. When you are surrounded by red dots you sometimes miss that one of them actually is a player.
while this is a "good tip", the fact is that people won't see a dot on their radar till it is at 90m, and due to server delay. Your speeder WILL be destroyed b4 you get a chance to mount it atleast if the BH is any good at what he is doing.As soon as you see a dot on the radar, abort combat, jump on the speeder and get away without looking back. Try contacting a friend who have access to a bh-terminal to see if your name is listed.
Have a macro like this:
/target speeder;
/mount;
/macro mount;
First click targets, second click mounts.
Hide speeder in lair.
Have multiple speeders in inventory. 3 minimum.
Always carry vercupti, moun, pixie, KD- and sedondary mind- and dmg-reducing food.
these are all good suggestions, and i've tried them all, however, a good BH will still kill you, and 2 or more BH who BOTH take missions on u and attack together will kill you even faster.4. Template
Necessary template-boxes for engaging BH 1vs1:
LS 4004
Heal 4004
Enhance 4002
This gives you:
3rd generation mindhits - against BH,
flurry - area-attack for hunting
healself - heals health, action, mind in one delay
healstates - clears any and all states
cure poison
cure disease
stop bleed
forcespeed 1+2 - increases DoT
forcerun 1+2 - 1 for hunting, 2 for escape
channelforce - transers part of your ham to your force (excellent)
this is a great idea for a tempalte, and i was doing something similar myself, however, the way the current system is, new jedi will not get that essential 4004 light saber that they need to survive.4. Group-tef
If you are attacked by a bounty hunter with a posse, do this to avoid getting ganked and possibly griefed:
Stay away from melee range of the bh, in case he is a inv3/Tk. Run away and spam peace. As long as you dont hit the bh, his group cant attack you.
If the bh is imp, for support you could group with someone overt (if you are factioned yourself). The bh should then get a tef if he attacks you, allowing your group to defend yourself. This does not of course apply if the bh is neutral.
his group can't attack you as long as there aren't other BH there who ALSO have a mission on u. Remember there is NO limit to HOW MANY BH can take a mission on u, and in fact the SAME BH can take 2 missions on u at the same time.0 -
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I also Hate SOE. I had written a longer post regarding all my issues and problems with the game and why i left. But these forums screwed something up so when i previewed it i was redircted elsewhere. Ok here is the short version.
I agree with alot of what Memnoch said. But bottom line is if you dont like it dont play. Thats why I quit. After playing on Naritus for 1 year I canceled my account, my toon was a wookiee named Waccabacca(SWG forum handle funkywookies), guild was Watchmen, but after new year I mostly kicked it with SYN doing PvP. Having experienced the breakup of a good guild and the slow downfall until only afew members logged on, me mainly the only one due to time difference. The main problem with the game is it was too ambishious, plain and simple there is to many problems and bugs to fix without throwing something else out of whack. In my view the top issues when i left where 1)PvP revamp/armour/food/buffs/DOTs/exploits (used to PvP against a fella with a 600 action disease carbine, he was also a CM with 800 action poisions, he owned) 2) GCW revamp, 3) smuggler revamp paired with other proffessions to bring them into line with the GCW. 4) forget jedi seeing afew run around town every day swirling their light-sabers was no fun. jedi slot should be given to good RPers, its that simple. 5) why where 2 revamps given for jedi???????(by now you can see i have a problem with jedi) 6)JTL make it feasable, not just a PvP twich-fest in space( in which i would stand no chance due to lag). 7) Content, I know it is a RPG game but bringing in content from the EU is needed alot more, ie. smugglers run etc. While in Watchmen we had great RP events against afew imperial guilds, after which the guild leaders would write up a chapter about the event like a story. 8) Grinding, afew proffessions can be ground out in 3days from novice to master. Grinding should be made funny, not mindless.
Thats just afew things on my mind. I plan to return someday in 8-12months from now when the 4th beta phase is over
Where do i see the game going? downhill with so many other sound options in MMORPGs to suit everyones needs SWG will continue to lose customers rapidly.
Where do i want to see the game going? to add to the 8 points above I would love to have player commandable starships, not player driven, NPC driven but the owner/leader/second in command can given an NPC or control panel an instruction on what sector or location in space. The starhips should be dockable so weiry pilots can rest during long flights or before and after battles. Cantina's, med centers, vendors all on board. The starship would be a mobile HQ effectively allowing guilds to dynamicly move through space giving a sense of control and a higher-archy structure for the GCW. ie only the highest officer(surface marshall) can command a starship, likewise different class crusers would be commandable by different lower levels of rank according to their power/size. ie reb general/correllian corvert, or imp general/interdictor etc. Off course there is alot of work to be done to get to this point but it would be worth every cent in my opinion.
But for now I am looking forward to Wow, and hopefully a beta invite.
Anyone Know of any irish guilds looking to join WoW?
No irishmen in WoW beta as of yet, anyone complained or queried this to blizzard?
My plan is to import a copy of Us WoW and play on a PvP server with SYN, then when euro Wow arrives i will either start a new char providing I can, with the localized servers.0
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