More Merrion Messing

amp

DapperGent wrote:

If you can see a connection between the Merrion and Eircom's monopoly on telephone lines you're looking far deeper into the issue than I.

Well. Ireland Offline was a collection of people dissatisified with terrible service from a company. They complained. Things got better. I think it's a fair comparison if simplified.

In fact one could say you're looking so deeply into the issue that you're in fact looking through the issue and arriving at a mystical issue that exists only inside your head.

Wow, I'm seeing shit now. Cooool.

Obi-wan Kibobi: There wasn't any fuck up here... These arn't the problems you are looking for.

Adam I can't talk to you when you're like this. I'm going to play poker. Wish me luck!

Good luck man!

mewso

Interesting discussion. People need to calm down perhaps. There have been discussions before now about the merrion with very blinkered views on both sides. It's dissappointing to see cetain people attempting to devalue opinions based on length of experience playing poker.
I have always prefferred the Fitz for various reasons. I have played in both many times, including I might add, tournaments during the Irish Open festival and the Winter festival. I wonder does that qualify me to comment on the merrion with more authority. I hope not.
While some people here have been a bit too heated in their criticism of the merrion in my opinion, it is at the end of the day just criticism and any casino will improve business if they pay heed to that criticism. Of course some of it is unfair criticism, again in my opinion.
The last Monday night tourney was a strange experience for me. The events have been pretty well talked about. An attempt to force the winner to take a voucher to a tournament he had already expressed no interest in taking. This despite an apparent agreement that all winners would have a choice on the matter, which I confirmed as the final table began.

Why not advertise the event in the room so 50 players could see them and consider attending?
Why ask SA to do this during the tourney?
Why try and make the winner feel like scum for not taking a voucher?

These questions have been discussed and I believe we can put them behind us. In truth some persons in the merrion may share the opinion of some of their supporters here, that we are newies who can be manipulated but I think they are in the minority.

As has been said regarding the next Monday night tourney. We may give vouchers as part of certain payouts but this will be known and announced here or on our site in advance. The merrion will provide us with a dealer for the final table, and continue to provide drinks service, food etc. as before. It's important to note that finger food could not be provided last time because the chef was ill and indeed the final table players did get finger food in the end. The chips and tables will be the same, which as far as I'm concerned are fine. At the very least if you have any issues with the venue then give it another chance, attend next monday and if it's not a good experience let us know.

DapperGent

amp wrote:

Well. Ireland Offline was a collection of people dissatisified with terrible service from a company. They complained. Things got better. I think it's a fair comparison if simplified.

No, it was a collection of people dissatisfied with a company and having nowhere else to go.

Maybe they negotiated instead of complained, things certainly did get better. Hmmm maybe it is a better comparison than I thought.

amp

Hmmm sobering words. Not that I've been drinking. I may have overreacted a little in this thread partly due to being patronised by a certain arrogant elitest melonfecker above.

*ahem*

I also may have been underestimating the negotating powers of SA as I don't know what happened at the meeting so I may have been talking out of my arse. I'm sure SA will run a good event no matter where it is. I won't be attending the Merrion hosted ones but what's one less muppet eh?



P.s. Sorry for re-editing my posts Hyzepher. I have replaced your changes to reflect my opinion, which I believe to be correct.

DapperGent

Please attend!!! You're +EV!!!

amp

lol! thanks, but no, somebody in the Merrion will recognise me tear me apart limb from limb while screaming GET THE NOVICE! GET THE NOVICE!!

MadsL

What have I started?

Can everyone please calm down - I'd hate to see a fist fight break out the next time we play poker together. :eek:

Couple of points:

First of all the length of time someone has played poker is absolutely irrelevant, people come to poker from all walks and some of those people have a very good sense of how things should be done, if not through the experience of playing in tournaments, then through thier own experience of management, hospitality or customer service. Those comments are valid. They may not be the way you see things but they are valid. Dismiss them as newbies and you'll simply miss a lot of good points made.

Secondly I am trying to be balanced (I genuinely have no axe to grind about the Merrion, it's just they have irked me on three occasions now) - I welcome discussion about whether or not things are right or wrong. Seems to me that is the whole point of a discussion board - and specifically boards.ie - I would hate to see this poker forum turn in to a collection of bad beat stories and announcements. Please do not forget that this site is part of boards, and here we rant, rave and sometimes call each other melon****ers - shortly followed by size 9s. If people feel I am being inappropriate by starting threads telling of my experiences in either club - then ban me now - personally I think it is fairer to players to let them know what problems have arisen so they can look out for themselves. Next time they sit do to play, asking what the prize structure is for instance. Now you, actiondan, would probably consider that second nature and I have just learnt that lesson. Now we are two players who know that, by posting it on boards there are now lots more of us that will know to ask and not simply trust what was advertised or is usual.

pokertroll

Amp, I agree with you for once you are a muppet.
Dappergent, Muso and Hyzepher - common sense and fair comment as always.

The blinkered opinions are mainly on one side. I have tried to be fair and objective in all my posts. ActionDan is getting a hard time in this thread but I gotta say I agree with most of what he has said. It sounds to me like he is coming from a similar perspective to myself.

I now realise that this is the wrong forum for such discussion as it is more a newbie support group than anything else.

If you are looking for serious discussion, forget about freerolls etc. Its not poker - put it in a newbie section maybe because it is not a true reflection of what poker is about in Dublin. The standard of play is abysmal, no dealers...

When people go to a non-event like a freeroll and use that as the basis for judging the club, I am never going to agree. It just strikes me as very juvenile.


Note
Yes I know the boards people love freerolls but It is not the only way to start playing - better to start in a proper event with professional dealers and good players. You learn more playing with good players than bad.

MadsL

pokertroll:
1. Money changed hands
2. A ruling was incorrect
3. The terms of the tournament were changed AFTER the bet was made.

Now, are you seriously telling me that players can expect that in a 'non-event' and then should not judge the club by it???

I now realise that this is the wrong forum for such discussion as it is more a newbie support group than anything else

So you'll be leaving then?

Hyzepher

Ok - This thread is going to have a ton of bricks decending on it from a height if people are not willing to discuss things without resorting to personal insults.

I would have thought that we were all old enough to be able to respect other people's oopinions regardless of how right or wrong we think they are. Surely people are intelligent enough to argue their case withoout name calling.

Are we?

Hyzepher

Iago

I'm going to see if I can get the last word in here before this thread is locked, it's inevitable that it's going to happen, just a question of when.

amp & madsl have had some bad experiences with the merrion, as a result they are voicing their concerns so that others have full information for when they are choosing which club to play in. I appreciate that information as I'm sure others do, I've had some experiences in the merrion which have led me to beleive that the Fitz is the better club for me, that doesn't mean that the merrion doesn't have a lot going for it, just that I personally prefer the fitz. Had I not played in the merrion before I would still go and check it for myself regardless of what was posted here and I'm sure that most people are the same. To be honest I think it's a particularily Irish phenomenan " So you tried jumping off that cliff there, and you broke your leg?, Jesus but I'll have to do it meself to be sure" a broken leg later and finally we're convinced!

Pokertroll & actiondan, you obviously like the merrion and will obviously defend it on that basis, and that's fine as well. It's good to have a balance between what's good and bad in everything people have an interest in. If you were going to a restaurant you would want people to tell you their experiences good and bad wouldn't you?

Up to this point it's a good healthy debate, but then it descends into farce as one side accuse the other of being childish and inexperienced and the other side accuse their accusers of being blinkered and elitist........and anyway my daddy is bigger than your daddy and my uncle would kill your uncle..

Everybody has an opinion and is entitled to express it, to be honest I'm glad to have heard both sides of the story, but a little dignity from all concerned wouldn't be amiss..

DeVore

pokertroll wrote:

I now realise that this is the wrong forum for such discussion as it is more a newbie support group than anything else.

A support group for newbies who kicked E-muse's ass in the Business league if I recall.



If you cant hear me on your high horse I'll shout a little louder


DeV.

actiondan

In response to musician's post I'm not trying to devalue other players opinions because of their length of experience, I may have been a wee bit sarcastic but I feel that experience is an importent issue here because if you are new to the game its very easy to jump in and criticize a casino and say thats crap and it should be done like this because you read it in book. But while constructive criticism is a good thing I think a lot of you guys need to look at the bigger picture and realise that constantly putting down one casino can only damage the game it certinley does noting for it.

DeVore

if you are new to the game its very easy to jump in and criticize a casino and say thats crap and it should be done like this because you read it in book.

Er... I fail to see:

a. Where anyone said they read anything in a book.

b. How length of time playing poker makes you more or less aware that harrassing someone to take a ticket is REALLY poor manners or that the tables shake (do they not shake for top pros?). I'm sorry, I learned that when I was 9.

Do top pros get knocked out in the chip race (You may need to reread the original thread, he had to rebuy after the chip race put him out)?

There are many good things with the Merrion but there are a number of things that are wrong too and until someone stops putting up smokescreens and gets a couple of REALLY SIMPLE things fixed, people are going to feel angered that nothing is being done about it. I mean, how much does a load of new chips cost? Cos I can tell you they are the same chips that are used in the 110 game!

DeV.

bohsman

ActionDan Im guessing youre one of the top tourny players in the Merrion, Roy Brindley or Noel Furlong maybe? but they both play in the fitz aswell so for you to be able to stay on your high horse youd have to be liam flood.

pokertroll, your a newbie yourself, we were just discussing it in the 100 freezeout that your game is really coming along, youve a good aggresive game and your getting there, now that was mainly Vivian and your mammy talking

actiondan

DeVore why do you even bother going into the merrion ? it seems that every time you or some of the other boards players are in there you have a new complaint about the place. Maybe you would be better of playing exclusivley in the fitz seen as its the utopia of poker.

DeVore

Sorry but what sort of response is that to my post?

And you have the gall to call other people childish? Thats about the most petulant response I've ever seen here.

DeV.

Iago

actiondan wrote:

DeVore why do you even bother going into the merrion ? it seems that every time you or some of the other boards players are in there you have a new complaint about the place. Maybe you would be better of playing exclusivley in the fitz seen as its the utopia of poker.

Dan, do you not see that this ultra defensiveness looks a little ridiculous?

DeV has simply quoted the things that are wrong, thay everyone must believe is wrong.

Can you honestly say that you think being knocked out of any professionally run tournament in a chip race is correct?

Do you beleive that all poker tables should be shaky?

Do you believe that players should be harrassed to buy a ticket for an event they have no interest in?

Do you believe that changing the prize structure mid tournament is ok?

I think all of these are valid cause for complaint, I don't play in either the Fitz or Merrion enough to have formed a lasting bond for either one, but I do prefer the fitz from my experiences and I think that the causes of complaints are valid whether it's the fitz, the merrion or any other casino for that matter

actiondan

bohsman if you looked at my other posts you would see that I play in both the fitz and the merrion the reason I'm posting here is because I have a problem with people on this forum constantly running down an excellent casino, as for the insults in your last post what type of an idiot are you?

Hyzepher

Right

I have about enough of this. I am reluntant to close this thread as it actually has merits important to Dublin poker. However, if people are going to be childish about thier views then either they will be banned for a week or I'll close this thread.

You have been warned

Hyzepher

amp

pokertroll wrote:

Amp, I agree with you for once you are a muppet.

Y'know, maybe there's more to your nick than I first realised. Did you come in here just to piss people off? Or do you really believe yourself to be superior because you've played for... well we don't know how many decades you've played for but I'm sure you know Brunson intimately :rolleyes:

I know all about tournaments, I have watched 100's, played a fair few, and have even dealt at a major open. I do not make my criticisms by reading a book or because I felt this was a nice bandwagon to jump on. I called a spade a spade.

I do not make these comments in order to put the Merrion out of business. I've made them so hopefully things will change, which is the whole point of competition. Both clubs should be bending over backwards to be profesionals at helping these tournaments run smoothly.

However if anything, you're and actiondans comments re-enforce my belief that when I am a veteran player I will go out of my way to help new players (off-table of course ) and not become a snobby elistist moron you both have become.

Now I don't think I'm the only player here that thinks that so why don't you leave this newbie support group and find some elitist forum where you'll feel more at home?

DeVore

ActionDan If you play in both casinos then you probably know me.

*stands up with hand raised*

Hi, I'm Tom Murphy and I'm willing to be associated with my opinions and the way I conduct myself.

So Mr Mystery Man, care to stand behind yours? You can Private Message me off-thread if you like.


I dont think anyone here WANTS to run down the Merrion? Why in Gods name would we want to run down one of only two places we can play tournies in?
What I *DO* have a problem with is that I and others feel unlistened to occasionally when these issues are raised.
Instead of "yeah ok, we know those things are a problem, we're working on them" we get ultra-defensiveness and high handedness from people like you.

I think I've been very even handed in general and criticised the Fitz for their prize structure and late starts before. The difference is that when I've approached Luke about such things (usually over a friendly sit and go) he's gone and actually DONE something about them.

DeV.

pokertroll

bohsman,
LOL, I'm so honoured that you were discussing me in the tourney last night -
I don't think I'd call myself a newbie on this forum as I have been playing competively for about 20 months now which is a lot longer than most of the players here! But yes, I am a relative newcomer on the scene.
With whom did you have this conversation? My mammy? sure she wasn't playing last night, she's not even in the country at the moment! - Vivian? I've played him a bit on Tuesedays alright but he is mainly a Fitz player. I have had all of my success in Merrion tournaments so I wouldn't say he is the best authority on how I play but it is a fair enough assessment as I am still trying to improve my my game (like most players I guess)

BTW, How did you fare last night? Derry (aka Dropsy) won it outright in the end. Viv came 3rd (he shouldn't have been there after making a questionable call for all his chips against me with 2 tables left)

karlh

sorry if this seems a little simplistic lads but why not just play where you prefer!?

i personally prefer the fitz and only got to the Merrion for the SA games. the merrion obviously know they have gooey chips and shakey tables, i've heard people comment on them each time ive been in there. maybe they just cant/don't want to spend the money at the moment.

it is very important for the dublin scene to have both clubs open but i would never go to a place i don't personally like just to lend support. would be like me going to a gig in the music centre (a hole among holes) to see a band i don't particularly like, just coz i like gigs. (well kind of.)

no reason for this thread to turn into a slagging match. we all have our preferences and i can see the +side of the merrion, just not enough for me to go there.

economics will dictate these things, not a heated argument on boards. if enough people are willing to put up with the merrions problems, they will be successful and may even correct the problems. if enough people side with 1 club, then the other may be in trouble - a damn shame and bad for the scene but that's bizness fellas!

badly run tournaments are a different matter however and i think i know which side im on in that department.....

Hyzepher

When i mentioned that i thought it was important for us to support both clubs I wasn't inferring that we should blindly play in a club that we didn't like or prefer. What I meant was that we should be trying to raise the standards at both clubs without actually kicking them while they are down. We need to give the clubs a reasonable amount of time to try and rectify their problems - things like this don't improve overnight.

By all means openly criticise either club but don't go so far as too make it sound that either club isn't worth the visit as neither are. I know that both cluns read this forum - no official postings as of yet - but you can be sure that they take things like this very seriously and we need to at least give them to opportunity to make things better

Hyzepher

bohsman

read my post again it wasnt last night we were discussing you it was a monday a month or two ago. I honestly didnt get a hand last night got antied away before going all in for my last 1000 with KTs hand before the break.

Dan fair enough saying mammy instead of bernie to ptroll may have been an insult but i was just trying to be mock condescending anyway i dont know who you are so i dont want to argue with you cos i reckon youre just a wind up merchant. a real keyboard warrior

dirkey_wynne

actiondan wrote:

Joke: Why are the merrion cash chips so shiny?

Cos theyre never used!

Thats the idiotic type of childish crap that I have a problem with.[/QUOTE]In response to a joke? No offence mate but get a life....or a sense of humour!

Iago

there are currently 32 people logged into the Poker forum, never seen it this high before.

See how invigorating a good debate with a little mud slinging can be

amp

pokertroll wrote:

bohsman,
LOL, I'm so honoured that you were discussing me in the tourney last night -
I don't think I'd call myself a newbie on this forum as I have been playing competively for about 20 months now which is a lot longer than most of the players here! But yes, I am a relative newcomer on the scene.

20 months? yeah, that's a whole lot longer than my 8 months. When are you writing your Super System? How many tournaments have you run? :rolleyes:

actiondan

DeVore I don't really give a sh*t who you are or who anybody else here is. The point I'm trying to make is that I enjoy playing in both the merrion and the fitz. I have small criticisms about each casino but I'm unhappy about the way the merrion is constantly been run down over a rickety table or two I don't think it gives a fair repersentation of how importent a role the merrion has played in Irish poker, for example it has held more major tournamnents than anywhere else. As poker players we are lucky to have two excellent casinos a couple of hundred yards apart from each other. You may try to say that you are only making fair criticisms againist the merrion in order to improve the place but lets call a spade a spade here there is definetly an anti merrion feeling amongest the boards players. I think that is unjustified and unfair and its not good for promoting poker in dublin.

Iago

I have an idea Dan, why don't you just click on the home icon on your browser and don't bother entering the url for boards again?

It's just a thought seeing as you've managed to alienate yourself on here by slagging off the biggest users of this forum, your complaints and points would have been better delivered had you stated them in a calm and logical way instead of going over the top to every response given. Most of us play in the merrion at least occasionally and as has been pointed out before, we are not running one club down, just stating a preference, this point seems to have escaped you completely.

I hope you're not associated with the merrion because it would reflect badly on them if you were, although as the saying goes "methinks the lady doth protest too much"

So see ya Dan, take care and write to us when you get back from that trip you're on and when the chip on your shoulder shrinks enough that you can see your screen again.

amp

actiondan wrote:

DeVore I don't really give a sh*t who you are or who anybody else here is. The point I'm trying to make is that I enjoy playing in both the merrion and the fitz. I have small criticisms about each casino but I'm unhappy about the way the merrion is constantly been run down over a rickety table or two I don't think it gives a fair repersentation of how importent a role the merrion has played in Irish poker, for example it has held more major tournamnents than anywhere else. As poker players we are lucky to have two excellent casinos a couple of hundred yards apart from each other. You may try to say that you are only making fair criticisms againist the merrion in order to improve the place but lets call a spade a spade here there is definetly an anti merrion feeling amongest the boards players. I think that is unjustified and unfair and its not good for promoting poker in dublin.

It would be unjustified and unfair if the criticisms of the Merrion were untrue. As it is I think it's fair. But I don't really care about your opinion as you are a newbie on these boards and I've been here since August 1999.

DeVore

DeVore I don't really give a sh*t who you are or who anybody else here is.

So that would be you declining to come out from behind your anonymity then... Ok thats cool. Personally, I prefer people who arent afraid to back up their big words with their identity. I guess maybe you dont really believe what you are saying enough to do that then.

Can you point out where I have been unfair to the Merrion?
I never said I hated the place or that noone should play there. I'm one of Suited Aces who have been bringing new players there for the last 3 months. Are those the actions of someone who has an agenda against somewhere?

DeV.

actiondan

No DeVore I'm just been honest I couldent give a fiddlers fu*k who you are. Don't get me wrong I'm fully aware of the work SA has done to attract new players to the game and fair to play to you. I'm just expressing my honest opinion that a fair repersentation of the merrion has not been given on boards. I am in no way affiliated to the merrion. We are going around in circles insulting each other and theres no point to that. Thanks for the discussion, talk soon.

dirkey_wynne

actiondan wrote:

No DeVore I'm just been honest I couldent give a fiddlers fu*k who you are. Don't get me wrong I'm fully aware of the work SA has done to attract new players to the game and fair to play to you. I'm just expressing my honest opinion that a fair repersentation of the merrion has not been given on boards. I am in no way affiliated to the merrion. We are going around in circles insulting each other and theres no point to that. Thanks for the discussion, talk soon.

I think DeV's point is he is willing to let everyone know who he is, and is quite happy to let everyone know his opinion. It seems to me, and obviously DeV if I'm reading his comments correctly, that you wish to anonymously post your opinions and insult people.

DeVore

When I read replies like yours Dan, it makes me think:



You havent the courage to put a face to your opinions, even though I dont entirely disagree with you. I think the Merrion has been poorly represented on this board and I dont think they have done themselves any favours in the PR dept. Thats not my problem. People have expressed unhappiness about the club and how some things are handled. Thats not my problem either. I dont work for the Merrion so their public relations are not my concern.

If they dont want these criticisms being aired they should either challenge them as false (even the management there have expressed frustration with the rickety tables) or put up with them as a consequence of not doing anything about them.

You are also entitled to put forth your opinion, thats what Boards is for and you have (and Pokertroll also has). I'm really not sure what your problem is, people are being critical but this isnt a facist state, people are allowed to complain and do so publically.

I think that the Merrion wouldnt thank you for your "defence" of them as I think you've made things a lot worse and making a mountain out of a molehill.
Once again... thats not my problem.

DeV.

Hectorjelly

best thread......ever

Marq

The way I see it (Note that this is my personal opinion and doesn't necessarily represent the views of my employers or affiliates):

Individual people come to Boards.ie's Poker forum. These people have found the forum independently of each other and have their own independent opinions on varying topics. Like other forums on boards, the poker forum is a place where people can express their opinions. they do that. Nobody else is influencing their opinions in a manipulative way.

Now, I will accept that it just so happens that many of the regular posters on this forum have had negative experiences of the Merrion, either in their own isolated personal experiences, or collectively during the Suited Aces organised Payday Monday €50 freeze-out tournament. These people express their opinions on the Merrion. Some are quite vocal about it. Many of the people that have no qualms with the Merrion are less vocal about their preference. This means that to someone who hasn't read every post that's ever been posted on this forum (as some of us have), and only read selected posts over the last few weeks, it may seem that there is a bias against the merrion. This, however, is not tantamount to a Boards.ie Poker Forum not giving "fair repersentation of the merrion"

Boards gives its members the ability to give a fair representation of their opinions without influence or impedence. But to suggest that there is some calculated attempt by the owners and operators (or even users) of this forum to attack the Merrion is ridiculous.

Think of it like this:
If a newspaper prints letters to the Editor which are critical in some way of a Card Club or some other such club, does that mean that that newspaper as an entity holds a view that is critical of said card club? No. Of course it doesn't. If the paper ran a front page article criticising the card club it would be a different story, but these boards are just like letters to the editor in a newspaper, allowing people to express opnions.

I think it's highly unfair to say that "boards" represents the Merrion in an unfair light. "Boards"doesn't represent the Merrion (or the Fitz, for that matter) in any light. Its users certainly do - but again, that's their opinion, their choice, and their right.

If you feel that you don't agree with the opinions expressed here, nobody cares. You're free to state your own opinions, yes, but at the cost that you have to accept the opinions of others too. This, as they say, applies to both camps. Having said that, if Actiondan and Pokertroll feel that this forum is for worthless newbies who don't hold the same opinions as they do, perhaps they should consider not bothering to read these boards, as unless they have a professional affiliation with the Merrion and they feel they need to defend it publicly in some way, there's often no point in reading something which so obviously infuriates you. (I know Mark doesn't have any professional connections, and he rightly doesn't attempt to hide who he is either, which I respect. I don't know who Dan is...).

In a crude analogy, there's nothing wrong with preferring Man City to Man Utd, but perhaps you might want to consider not watching a derby in a pub that seems to be full of Utd supporters. You're only liable to bring unneeded stress on yourself.

A lot of people on boards don't like the Merrion. Lots more people who don't post on boards (and some who do), do like the Merrion. There's nothing any of us can do about it.

mewso

Can we stop defending boards users' rights to expressing opinions while at the same time telling certain posters to sod off and stop reading boards if they don't agree with it.
I, for one, welcome pokertroll and actiondan's comments. I may not agree with them but they are perfectly welcome to express their opinions. If you think they are unreasonable fair enough but how about I said some of Amps comments were unreasonable and insulting. Evens it up a bit.

magpie

Nice website there musician.

actiondan

I would agree with you to a certain extent Dev with regards to as you call it my "defence" of the merrion I think I strayed a good bit from my original post which was meant to question the seemingly endless criticisms againist the merrion and not to get into a row with anybody on boards. However some of the responses I got were hardly fair. Even pokertroll who in my opinion makes excellent points on boards without getting into a slagging match with anybody got unfair criticism on this thread. However I don't agree with being goaded into giving my real name , its not a lack of courage in not saying who I am I'm perfectly entitled to post here without giving my name, and its wrong to pressure somebody into doing so. Also this is about the fourth time I will say it on this thread Marq I have noting to do with the merrion. I happen to play in both clubs but thought that the merrion was getting an unfair repersentation on boards but as Dev saya a mountain was made out of a molehill.

later

Juan Pablo

MARQ wrote:

In a crude analogy, there's nothing wrong with preferring Man City to Man Utd, but perhaps you might want to consider not watching a derby in a pub that seems to be full of Utd supporters. You're only liable to bring unneeded stress on yourself.

As a city fan, I agree with this. However, EVERY pub in Ireland will be full of ManUre "supporters". And the sheer effort of supporting City brings unneeded stress.

As for the Merrion vs Fitz discussion, it has kept me entertained all day!

dropsy

Well put Marq.

I for one, am a fan of the Merrion, warts (tables, chipe etc.) and all. Having said that, I've played in the Fitz and enjoyed that too. Undoubtedly, there is room for improvement in both clubs and I agree with others on this forum that constructive criticism should always be welcomed by either club - it's bad business for them not to listen.

The one other thing worth remembering is that we are very lucky to have 2 clubs that we can play poker in at all. There's another thread just started from a guy in Limerick who has nowhere to play and we've got people coming down from the North every week to play tournaments in the Dublin clubs - from an Irish perspective, we are spoilt by having a choice of where to go.

There have been other past threads here discussing whether either club makes money from the poker tourneys they run and I think it's fair to say that the tourneys simply are not profitable (or, if they are, then very marginally so) and that both clubs make their money from tables games and possibly cash games. It strikes me that if we want to continue to have a choice regarding where we play our tourneys, we have to do whatever it takes to ensure that both clubs stay around.

So, criticism and suggestions for improvement are good and healthy to a point. On the other hand, it's self defeating to have criticism to the point where people will not go to one of the clubs because of what are, after all, minor irritations (chips, tables etc.).

Dropsy

amp

musician wrote:

Can we stop defending boards users' rights to expressing opinions while at the same time telling certain posters to sod off and stop reading boards if they don't agree with it.

There's a large difference between one person defending the Merrion but only backing up that defence with "you're too new a player to understand" and me suggesting a user to go somewhere they'd find a little less infested with newbie players.

I, for one, welcome pokertroll and actiondan's comments. I may not agree with them but they are perfectly welcome to express their opinions. If you think they are unreasonable fair enough but how about I said some of Amps comments were unreasonable and insulting. Evens it up a bit.

Please let me know which of my comments you find unreasonable and I will alter them to be reasonable.

Hobart

musician wrote:

Can we stop defending boards users' rights to expressing opinions while at the same time telling certain posters to sod off and stop reading boards if they don't agree with it.
I, for one, welcome pokertroll and actiondan's comments. I may not agree with them but they are perfectly welcome to express their opinions. If you think they are unreasonable fair enough but how about I said some of Amps comments were unreasonable and insulting. Evens it up a bit.

What muso said. I don't like the Fitz, for no particular reason. I play in the merrion, that's my preference, I like poker.

DeVore

What I find unfair is that I get it in the neck for things said on Boards. I've had a pretty cold reception in the Merrion the last two times I've been in there which hasnt helped me to return it has to be said.

What would you have me do with the criticisms?

Delete them?
Why should I do that, freedom of speech is what the site is about. If they were untrue or liabilous then I would but even Mags admitted she hated the way the tables creaked and would like to get new chips.

Counter them?
How can I? I dont even work for the club. They asked me to convey the message from them the last time that the club wasnt going out of business. Now every player in town had heard that rumour but as soon as its on Boards, I get it in the neck.
If the club wants to correct incorrect claims then I will gladly do it for them.

Tell them to shut up?
I dont think they'll listen to me and I dont think I want to do that, for anyone or any company.

So exactly what do you want me to do? You've made your point and said your piece and we've debated it here. There are difinitely people who are still angry about the debacle of final table last time, who dislike the tables and chips and lack of dealers etc and who want (and are going to) complain about them.

Dismissing them as children, newbies and poor players isnt really helping them me you or the club. Sorry that you felt I was harrassing you into revealing who you are but like I said, I'm willing to put my face/name to my opinions. Its a little like harrassing someone to take a charity ticket at the end of a tournament.

DeV.

Hectorjelly

best thread......ever

MadsL

best thread......ever

I thank you.

Hobart

DeVore wrote:

What I find unfair is that I get it in the neck for things said on Boards. I've had a pretty cold reception in the Merrion the last two times I've been in there which hasnt helped me to return it has to be said.

What would you have me do with the criticisms?
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I'm sorry DeV but TBH, it goes with the territory. I know you did not invite this crap on yourselve but as Admin and Owner of this site your are (indirectly) responsible. And, yes I know everybody owns thier own opinions and words, but that will not wash when it comes to representation.

DeVore

I think this situation isnt helped by the fact that the clubs management cant seem to be able to *tolerate* so much as each others names in conversation. All players I've ever heard of in either club refer to the other club as "around the corner" to avoid actually saying "Jehovah".

DeV.