How many of you do drugs? - You should be all shot

Canis Lupus

Wertz wrote:

Of all the drugs I've done and experiences I've had on them, my one "time" spent in a K-hole was the single most weird thing I can recall: that's coming from someone whos run the gamut of LSD, psilocybin mushies, speed and all the other crap.
Meself and a busload of mates were sold K and told it was E: the sheer hilarity of 40-odd people stood in the middle of a club not fit to stand, let alone drink, dance or much else had to be seen to be believed.
I've never really went looking for it again. Still recall it enough to know that it anaesthatises the parts most beers don't reach

a jaysus that brought a smile to my face im sitting in work and ppl are staring at me cos im still giggling

dendenz

So if you all have menial little lives and feel the need for drugs to "enjoy" your weekend fine by me. I have a point of view obviously that a lot of people do not share and I will stand by what I said.



Have a look there, its all you yuppies with your attitude like you have that ruins society so much. Leeah Betts probably had the same opinion as most of you lot, she ended up paying for that with her life, maybe if it happened to one of your friends or family you might think twice.

As for not believing the media hype of whats in ecstacy, I take it you all take the word of your dealers then? So you take the word of some <unt who will tell you some ****e is 100% ecstacy just so he can pawn it off to some poor <unt who should be halfway between the gutter and the sewer? You should all take a good long look at yourselves and see what your lacking in life, I have a very good friend of mine who got ruined by drugs, just make sure you lot dont too

Canis Lupus

shut up man... if thats a real photo then thats a shame but its likely no one forced that person to take drugs.

dendenz

whats the fact she was forcet to take drugs or not go to do with my point Lupus, re read what I posted...SHE PROBABLY THOUGHT THE ONE TABLET WOULD NOT HURT HER

I am MAN

HAAHAHA den denz,

its been proven that leah betts the son of a law man consumed too much water and died. You are digging yourself deeper and deeper.

You media whore.

dendenz

and that was as a result of taking..............

god this is a vicious circle.........

I am MAN

As a result of her been foolish enough to consume excessive amounts of water, E does not make you drink water.

adjodlo

dendenz wrote:

whats the fact she was forcet to take drugs or not go to do with my point Lupus, re read what I posted...SHE PROBABLY THOUGHT THE ONE TABLET WOULD NOT HURT HER

No no that wasn't her first e tablet. That's just what her friends tell the parents to cover their asses.

dendenz

Ecstacy does affedt the oestrogen levels in women and one of the causes is water retention you ill educated boy...

Wertz

dendenz wrote:

So if you all have menial little lives and feel the need for drugs to "enjoy" your weekend fine by me. I have a point of view obviously that a lot of people do not share and I will stand by what I said.

Yet you and many like you have the need for alcohol to "enjoy" your w/e, while sitting back in your high stool and criticising people who decide to alter their brain chemistry in different ways? Like I say, sheer hypocrisy: your choice. You're entitled to your point of view, but you're not entitled to enforce it on those who have a differing one than you, and you're certainly not entitled to shoot them...

Have a look there, its all you yuppies with your attitude like you have that ruins society so much. Leeah Betts probably had the same opinion as most of you lot, she ended up paying for that with her life, maybe if it happened to one of your friends or family you might think twice.

Leah Betts was the anti-drug poster girl of the tabloids, hell bent on scaremongering society into this misconception that drugs are this all encompassing evil affliction on the youth of the 90's.
She had the misfortune to go out and do pills with her mates and took an adverse reaction: it could have happened to anyone, but it happened to her. I'm very sorry for her parents and friends loss. She could have died in a car accident, or caught meningitis, but no, she died from a reaction to a drug that at the time was the media's favourite topic. The fact that her father was a policeman only added to the fact that her death would be turned into the circus it was.
Us "Yuppies" (boy haven't been called that before) won't stop doing E or any other drug simply because of this: how many people of Leah's age died that year as a result of alcohol, diet, environmental factors, accidents? but no, that doesn't make good sensationalist front page "news" on the comics that pass themselves off as newspapers.

As for not believing the media hype of whats in ecstacy, I take it you all take the word of your dealers then? So you take the word of some <unt who will tell you some ****e is 100% ecstacy just so he can pawn it off to some poor <unt who should be halfway between the gutter and the sewer? You should all take a good long look at yourselves and see what your lacking in life, I have a very good friend of mine who got ruined by drugs, just make sure you lot dont too

You have outlined in that paragraph the main arguments in favour of decriminalisation: do I trust some idiot on a street corner selling me anonymous white tablets? Not a chance, but what choice do I have? If I'm that worried I can go but an test kit online and test the pills. Even if it comes out as pure 100% MDMA there's still a chance I will die. But for f**k sake, there's a better chance I'll die every morning I get into my mates car and travel to work, there's a better chance I'll go out drinking some night and get murdered by some bunch of drunken f**ks who decided to kick the sh*te out me cos they felt like it at the time.

I've been "ruined" by drugs in the past: most drug takers will tell you similar stories. But it's not the drugs that ruin you: it's the personality behind the drug taking: if you abuse them and let them control you, they WILL ruin you. But so will drink, cigarettes, et al.

dendenz

/When it comes to alcahol we know one or two pints is not going to cause to retain water and kill us. The fact is with drugs you know the risks are higher of dying than getting into a car. A car is useful, ecstacy? erm alters you biochemistry and can cause untold damage . You dont know the long term affects of it.


Adjodlo, thats pure bollocks and you know that, were you there that night? No , was I no... I am basing my argument on my opinion and the media.

I suppose if the media were lying then did they also make up a story about 9/11 in order to make a couple of million. So your a conspriacy theorist now as well as a yuppie

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

dendenz wrote:

Ecstacy does affedt the oestrogen levels in women and one of the causes is water retention youill educated boy...

rofl

I dunno, you can't be serious. No one can be that far up their own arse.

impr0v

dendenz wrote:

Ecstacy does affedt the oestrogen levels in women and one of the causes is water retention you ill educated boy...

You can't call somebody "ill educated" at the end of a sentence as badly constructed as the one above, you cretin.

And learn to think for yourself before you try to lecture the masses on subjects about which you are clearly ignorant.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

/When it comes to alcahol we know one or two pints is not going to cause to retain water and kill us. The fact is with drugs you know the risks are higher of dying than getting into a car. A car is useful, ecstacy? erm alters you biochemistry and can cause untold damage . You dont know the long term affects of it.

um..
did you read *any* of the links I posted into the last thread?

seriously.. even one? how on earth can you expect to be taken seriously if you don't even make an effort to learn about what you're talking... about.

Dancing_Priest

you know, if everyone on this thread put dentez on their ignore list this could be a very good discussion

bringitdown

god above, dendenz, more people die everyday from countless other tragedies with sweet FA to do with drugs. If drugs were legal would you have this problem? Seeing as you don't seem to be as vehement in your opposition to alcohol or smoking or aspirin or <insert arbitrary legal pastime / product that can accidently cause death in certain circumstances>?

I know the risks I am taking when I smoke a joint or I drink a pint, thanks to the prevalance of material fed to me in secondary school. However it still stands that I am at more risk walking down the street than I am enjoying a joint (unless I am walking down the street at the time)

Isn't a more mature approach to legalize such drugs (cannabis, ecstasy etc.) regulate them and tax them like cigarrettes and alcohol and continue with education so people can make a choice not have it made for them. We could then concentrate more resources on the drugs that really render lives useless - heroin for example.

And before you say it I know the consequences of taking ecstasy took Leah Betts life, it is a tragedy but I refer you back to the start of my post, you can surround yourself in bubble wrap or you can go on and enjoy life on your own terms (just so long as you do your best not to hurt anyone).

Am I just egging him on...?

dendenz

Alright excuse me for the point I made on the ill educated bit,my fault
.

My opinion is based on what I have seen from people who are on these drugs.

Mordeth I am reading your links mon ami dont worry...

Wertz

dendenz wrote:

Alright excuse me for the point I made on the ill educated bit,my fault
.

My opinion is based on what I have seen from people who are on these drugs.

Mordeth I am reading your links mon ami dont worry...

See, there's nothing wrong with approaching things with a slightly open mind: no-ones asking you to start doing cocaine 3 times a day, only to not form opinions wihtout being in posession of all the facts first.
I agree that seeing some people on drugs when you're not can be an eyeopener to say the least: I've often stood in a club after a load of drink laughing at people gurning and throwing mad shapes on the dancefloor. But till you've walked in those shoes you have no comprehnesion of what's going on at their end...

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

well then do you understand them?

the bit where it says "ecstacy is a relatively safe drug"?
the bit about sfa deaths from ecstacy even though MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people have taken it many, many times?

yes, ecstacy does reduce seratonin in the brain with repeated use and I believe they also found out that with repeat use it can have an effect on short term memory. There has been no evidence to suggest that it is a "killer drug" or a massive danger to anyone who takes it. If you want to say that it is a killer drug, provide links to back that claim up. You're talking bollox, and the only person who doesn't seem to realise that is yourself.

dendenz

OK someone pointed out a couple of websites and I waded through them, one of them dancesafe.org caught my eye. The new kits that are out there wll give you an indication of how pure your tablet is. I for one think that's an excellent idea but reading through it it showed a table of tablets and some had caffeine and other assortments of ****e in them.

However I also urge you lot to keep an open mind for if I dont know "all the facts" then surley you lot are'nt medical doctors? Thought not because I sure as hell am not. Science has not found much yet to prove it's side effects

http://www.clubscene.ie/ecstasy.htm

Now there is a very interesting site, look at the bottom where it mentions Safety.

Found an interesting link on New Scientist (one of Science's gospel)http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993431

The drug has been shown to kill people as they drink too much water...


And just to say yes I enjoy a couple of pints but one pint is not going to kill me straight away

BuffyBot

I am basing my argument on my opinion and the media.

And therein lies the fatal flaw in your "argument".

dendenz

so I should take the opinion of someone who takes risks and supports dealers ?

Wertz

The whole point about death-through-water-overdose is an intersteing side effect of the huge media scare revolving around ecstasy in the early 90's: so much "good" advice was given about drinking water to counteract overheating (the other big killer of E) that clued up clubbers started forcing the H2O down their necks as fast as they could. This used in conjunction with several pills isn't a good combo: many more clubbers died from this effect then they because of MDMA blood toxicity or overheating.

For the record I was never a big fan of water: it's overpriced. I'd stick to the pints while pilling (within reason) or a red bull or something. The only time I drank water was when it did feel like I was pushing the limits: tha was usually someone leses or out of the tap (assuming the club owner hadn't turned on only the hot tap in order to turn a profit). After 8 odd years I'm still here to tell the tale, but in fairness I was almost always conservative in my use of E: todays users think nothing of shoving multiple tablets down their throat, and with them costing less than a couple of pints, sure why wouldn't they?

pickarooney

You could also form an opinion by educating yourself about the subject from various sources. Kind of like writing your own song instead of badly covering a classic. Just an idea...

dendenz

OK I will be the first to admit, I should have investigated a couple more sources, I wouldnt go as far to say I am ignorant but it was no harm to read the sites and see what other opinions are and pickarooney hit the nail on the head. However what amazes me is why take the risk?

Wertz

dendenz wrote:

However what amazes me is why take the risk?

OK just while you bring that up, I was watching a docu the other night about some race that takes place in the Artic every year involving a 150 mile trek across frozewn wasteland. Why do they take the (much mire substantial) risk? It's all been done several times before: nothing is gained for humanity in genral. But the people or person taking part feels the need to go do this for whatever unfathomable reason. It's the same thing with drugs I suppose: it's all been done before, there's nothing to be accomplished as such except for the high of actually doing it. It's pretty hard to explain (especially since I don't do nearly as much these days) but it's human nature to take risks and to attemt to detroy ourselves in puruist of pleasure/fun.

(on a sidenote, oneof the competitors in that race was forced to retire after having come down with frostbite of the penis. A follow up subtitle informed the viewer that the guy later lost 3cm from the top of his lad: now THAT is risk taking...)

dendenz

However risks like that benefit them by giving them personal fulfilment and no long term damage to their health etc. Of course there are risks, but with ecstasy there is the risk of long term health damage, I might be wrong no reasearch has been done on it?

Canis Lupus

dendenz wrote:

However what amazes me is why take the risk?

It's called human nature, you knob. People experiment.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

and no long term damage to their health

HE LOST 3cm OFF THE TOP OF HIS GOD DAMN KNOB

Canis Lupus

dendenz wrote:

However risks like that benefit them by giving them personal fulfilment and no long term damage to their health etc. Of course there are risks, but with ecstasy there is the risk of long term health damage, I might be wrong no reasearch has been done on it?

Dendenz... whats yur point? plenty of research has been done on how cigarettes happily kill ppl everyday.... does that stop ppl smoking???? doesn't seem to.

dendenz

as the old expression went curiosity killed the cat. I admit it probably has something to do with curiosity

Wertz

dendenz wrote:

However risks like that benefit them by giving them personal fulfilment and no long term damage to their health etc. Of course there are risks, but with ecstasy there is the risk of long term health damage, I might be wrong no reasearch has been done on it?

yeah...hang on, what part of "lost 3 cms of his penis" did you not understand? These people go out racing in temperatures of -40 oC for their "personal fulfilment". What about the people who rescue these guys when they get into trouble? If their copter was to crash on the way out to resuce these guys that are themselves risking their lives for "personal fulfilment" what then?

If somebody decides to go out and pop a pill at the w/e for their own personal fulfilment, the only person they are directly harming is themselves. Sure, if by some chance they die, then they are harming themselves and their family, but up till that point they are doing no harm and as has already been stated in this thread, they could just easily die from any one of a multitude of cuases that have nothing to do with drugs...

dendenz

My point is if there is nothing known about the long term health risks then people are;nt aware, hey I cant argue with you about smoking. But remember DDT the pesticide it was banned once they found what it done, same with thalidomide, doctors used it and only then found out it causes defects to foetuses in the womb so you have plenty of examples to learn from

dendenz

Wertz wrote:

If somebody decides to go out and pop a pill at the w/e for their own personal fulfilment, the only person they are directly harming is themselves. Sure, if by some chance they die, then they are harming themselves and their family, but up till that point they are doing no harm and as has already been stated in this thread, they could just easily die from any one of a multitude of cuases that have nothing to do with drugs...

The risk with drugs is higher than going out in your car is it not? I mean imagine your father/brother/mother/sister/son/daughter collapsed and died due to ecstasy compared to being killed in a car accident.Same goes for drink in this case. If anyone dies from over dosing on drugs like ecstacy, heroin they deserve it full stop. You affect your friends and family in a different way if yoiu died from drugs. You have one life , why take risks with drug taking?

Its the same old adage IMO curisoity killed the cat

Canis Lupus

ppl werent snorting ddt or popping thalidomide to get high tho, they were used for entirely different reasons

dendenz

OK you missed my point there, people used those drugs/chemicals without knowing what the long term risk was. Why not wait and find out what the long term risks are and then go out and screw body up to seven ways to Sunday.

Wertz

dendenz wrote:

The risk with drugs is higher than going out in your car is it not? I mean imagine your father/brother/mother/sister/son/daughter collapsed and died due to ecstasy compared to being killed in a car accident.Same goes for drink in this case. If anyone dies from over dosing on drugs like ecstacy, heroin they deserve it full stop. You affect your friends and family in a different way if yoiu died from drugs. You have one life , why take risks with drug taking?

Its the same old adage IMO curisoity killed the cat

Now see right at the minute I'm too half cut to bother going looking for statistics but I'm quite sure you'll find that if you cross reference the amount of people who died in Ireland last year through ALL drug taking (not just ecstasy) it would pale in comparison to the figure that is our nation's astounding death record caused by road accidents.
Traffic fatalities are topped only by suicide stats: now I'm sure you could probably pawn a few of the obscenely high number of suicide victims off to having commited suicide through drug abuse, but the combined total still wouldn't total the amount killed on the roads. Are the gardaí allowed to hold drink driving suspects for 7 days without charge? Sh*t they can't even hold terrorists for 48 hrs but add drugs to your arrest warrant and they can hold you for a full 168 hrs without extension...

dendenz

And how many people take drugs compared to drive, that might explain why figures are lower...

Wertz

dendenz wrote:

And how many people take drugs compared to drive, that might explain why figures are lower...

You might be surprised by that figure , but I'm pretty sure conclusive figures are unavailable at this time...

Canis Lupus

and yur missing my point. ppl will still take it. If a person approaches ANY drug with the assumption it is safe then they are muppets, christ ppl overdose on aspirin cos they never read the instructions... plenty of ppl die yearly because of it. But yur forgetting that a person who takes drugs invariably knows that "I don't know what this will do to me". What argument have you got against any person taking a drug when they approach it with that attitude?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

anyone eating a bar of chocolate approaches it the same way

there could be heroin in that chocolate bar.. you just don't know

dendenz

they're too ****ing stipid to exist in the first place. thats the attitude I take. Hey I mean there could be no long term affects at all, it might be like having a cup of tea and scone. You could pop down to your local for a couple of pints to watch the match, why not pop ta tab while your at it?

dendenz

Mordeth wrote:

anyone eating a bar of chocolate approaches it the same way

there could be heroin in that chocolate bar.. you just don't know

and do you see the key ingridients on your e tab? Oh look just under the MDMA there it says may cause short term memory loss. Thats like comparing Bertie Ahern to Adolf Hitler two completley different things...

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

actually tea has caffeine in it, which is a pretty dangerous drug when abused to the extent that the Irish love to
why don't you just list out your argument in nice bullet points, and then we can go through them all and tell you why you're wrong.,

they're too ****ing stipid to exist in the first place. thats the attitude I take.

Canis Lupus

heh heh heh.... in fairness DD so far u might have noticed yur arguing the point against the use of drugs on yur own.... or maybe alot of boards member are drug users???.... should start a poll on that

Wertz

dendenz wrote:

You could pop down to your local for a couple of pints to watch the match, why not pop ta tab while your at it?

Well I know a lot of people who'd take E at any given opportunity and in the distant past I'd prolly have joined em, but believe me outside of a party/club atmoshere there's very little fun to be had from them. Taking a ill and sitting watching soccer is possibly more dangerous than taking the pill and going out dancing for 6 hours: I know I for one would most likely throw something at the TV and probably get meself killed: so I suppose drugs are dangerous

dendenz

I noticed I was on my own but I am the only one with this attitude or opinion so be it

Canis Lupus

no yur not. personally i go as far as smoking hash and thats it. Its my view that I don't need to take anything stronger and hash does me fine (as does drinking my arse off from time to time, but im not an angry drunk btw). I'll also agree strongly against the use of hard drugs like heroin and so forth and will admit that my view of hard drug users would be somewhat unkind but ultimately I accept that if ppl wish to do these things in a responsible manner (ie u can use [insert drug here] just dont leave yur baby in a running bath while u get high and so forth) then why bother them and why stress about it?

Canis Lupus

and screw this, im off to watch "saw" in the cinema....

dendenz

Well at least I got a decent discussion out of this, anyways I am off to pack me bags for me holidays... and get a film off Box Office...