Are Fianna Fail on drugs.

clearz

Yes that’s right. I think that our government have become victims of some mad acid craze that swept through the Dáil without anyone noticing. They have gone completely TAX mad. These latest taxes on chewing gum and ATM receipts are going too far. First of all the 5 cent extra that is going to be charged on already overpriced chewing gum is not going to make people dispose of it properly. If anything it will make people throw it on the street, and why not they are paying for it to be cleaned up.
ATM Receipt Tax. What in Gods name is that about? We already are being ripped off by the banks and been totally ripped off by the government on our bank and credit cards. What next. Pressing the ATM buttons tax. The sound that the machine makes before giving you your money tax.

I am a student and am paying 3 times more in fees than when Fianna Fail got a second term not so long ago.
Bag tax. Ok we all could handle the bag tax.
Bank/Credit Card. 40 euro tax a year on a credit card and 10 euro on my bank card. How dare they take my money because I decide to avail of these services? What do I use these services for anyway. Buying goods. And what do I pay on goods TAX.
So they tax me on my wage I get from work. Then they tax me on the way I withdraw the money from my account and the receipt if I use an ATM machine only to be taxed more on the things I buy.

One other thing I would like to mention is the banning buzz the government also seem to be on. I think they see us as their children that need to be controlled. If it is bad for you are not allowed do it. If they bring in the ban on nite-clubs opening late. I am outta here. There is no way im living in a qusai-communist society.

Fianna Fail is so out of touch with reality it’s unbelievable. It seems to me that their mission is to get themselves voted out at the first opportunity. They are spending so much time licking up to the big boys in Europe that they can’t see what they are at.

I really am mad at the way this country is going. So much so that I can’t see myself living here when I am finished college.

mike65

I think you'll find the rationale for the tax is that the polluter pays....

Mike.

Zombienosh

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sorry
i seen drugs and got excited

segadreamcast

ATM receipts are fairly ridiculous anyway... nobody holds onto them. If you want a print out - walk into the bank and get one of those proper A4 ATM printouts which detail your last months transactions.

Chewing gum is a foul habit - so really I have no objections to any of this.

daveirl

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Barry Aldwell

To paraphrase a very old line: "No representation without taxation"

If you don't like it then all you can do is either run for office and lower taxes, or go live in a tax haven, such as Monaco. After all, they're the elected government, they make the decisions

clearz

daveirl wrote:

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I don’t know I might just give the auld globe a spin and drop the finger at random. Just hope I don’t get Iraq or North Korea. All I’m saying is that TAX seems to be the governments answer to everything these days. We live in an expensive enough country as it is. Who was it that said that we don’t shop around enough for the bargains? The only thing is you can’t shop around to avoid the ridiculous amounts of tax on some things.
I think another reason for it is, we were getting so many handouts from the EU in the 90’s that when they stopped the money had to come from somewere.

Barry Aldwell wrote:

After all, they're the elected government, they make the decisions

Very true indeed. But when I voted for Fianna Fail in the last election I never considered that within three years my college fees would triple, I would be paying taxes on all the things I stated above. I would have to leave a nite-club for a cigarette only to probably have to leave at 1:30 anyway if this new law comes in.

Victor

daveirl wrote:

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Well the plastic bag levy heralded the resurrection of the reusable bag, so maybe reusable chewing gum?

clearz

The latest tax: Toilet Roll tax to encorage us to reuse our toilet rolls. Could work

lucernarian

There was an article in Time magazine (I think) which talked about Europe's high tax rates. Ireland and one or two other countries were the only countries on the map which were coloured purple (which represented the lowest tax rate on the legend).

I cant understand how a tax worth a small copper coin on chewing gum will persuade you to emigrate.

billy the squid

Chewing gum tax - Chewing gum is the most disgusting thing ever invented and should be BANNED, if you want something to chew get a baby's dummy.

ATM Receipt Tax - A good idea, nobody ever keeps those receipts but i would be coscerned about machines giving out receipts when the wrong button on the machine is accidentily pressed.

Credit Card and Bank Card Tax - This should be gotten rid of, 40 Euros on a credit card is outrageous in my opinion, and charging me 10 euros a year so I can get my own money is a rip off.

Skr4wny

To_be_confirmed wrote:

There was an article in Time magazine (I think) which talked about Europe's high tax rates. Ireland and one or two other countries were the only countries on the map which were coloured purple (which represented the lowest tax rate on the legend).

I cant understand how a tax worth a small copper coin on chewing gum will persuade you to emigrate.

Firstly I think you'll find that we have a lower PAYE rate however I don't think other countries suffer nearly as much with stealth taxes as we do. Also you'll find most other European countries have far better health services and public transport so they probably don't mind the higher tax. Also there seems to be support here for the chewing gum tax which is absurd. If the government as so worried with the litter problem why don't they put more litter wardens out on the street and start handing out fines to the countries litter bugs and not punish everyone who buys chewing gums or gets an ATM slip.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

because of the hundred or so atm slips you see outside practically every atm around the country?

Skr4wny

You are punishing everyone who uses an atm machine for the actions of a few, I fail to see why I should be made to pay for someone elses littering. I'm shocked that so many people here seem to be for the tax. It's just an excuse for the government to bring in another tax, even though there is a much better way of dealing with the problem.

Victor

Mordeth wrote:

because of the hundred or so atm slips you see outside practically every atm around the country?

Theses receipt are identifiable - why don't they go along on Sunday morning, pick up all the recipts in town and fine everybody (OK, yes it would mean getting your details from the bank, but if the banks get iffy, just fien the banks instead)

toxic_angel

and this better way is????

Skr4wny

Far more litter wardens and on the spot fines for littering, after awhile especialy in Dublin, if they have a visible presence and everyone hears of someone having been fined, people will eventually wise up. Taxing everyone isn't the answer.

Skr4wny

But punishing me with a tax because of other peoples littering isn't gonna do anything except piss me off and make me less likely to vote for the government again. My solution hits the litter-louts themselves and not everyone else where it hurts. You are hurting them far more financially than you are with the tax.

therecklessone

NoelRock wrote:

ATM receipts are fairly ridiculous anyway... nobody holds onto them.

ATM receipt = proof of transaction. But sure throw them away, we all know banks don't make mistakes... :rolleyes:

billy the squid

Taxing the receipts is fair enough but what about taxing the cards them selves. 10 euro for an ATM card and 40 euro for a credit card. This is really unfair in my opinion.

lucernarian

It's quite shameful of the Government to put this tax on ATM cards. It isn't worth keeping it in financial terms as interest won't nearly cover the cost. At the same time they encourage students to use ATM based bank accounts? Sounds like a money-making scam to me...

cleansingfire

Evoting is thrown out because of a lack of a paper trail. Speeding tickets likewise thrown out because of lack of printout from radar guns. And now for wanting a paper record of transactions which we already pay for we have to pay the stealth tax bombers more?
This tax is not about litter: its about making a few euro more for the govt. under the guise of an anti litter campaign. Its about distracting from anything important in the arena of public debate and cluttering them with issues such as this. And yes all you wonder analysers and parsers of forum comment I am aware of the irony. This tax will enable banks to make even more money out of overcharging and will deny consumers the records they need to keep track of their transactions. It is anti consumer. It is more of the slyness that is the characteristic mark of Bertie Ahern in govt. Stealthy Bertie, reshuffling the pack for the next three card trick.
The recklessone has hit the nail on the head.

simu

I would be very scared if a drug existed that made people act like Fianna Fáil TDs.

ferdi

yeah, bertie is coked up to his eyeballs half the time, hairy marney sticks to the special brownies

sceptre

Careful now ferdi, walking the thin line

ReefBreak

Regarding the chewing gum tax: walk across the Millenium Footbridge in Dublin and take a look at the chewing gum all over that bridge. I mean, the dirty prícks that leave their gum on it don't even have the decency to throw it in the river (not a good solution either), let alone deposit it in a bin. So I agree with the gum tax.

Boggle

Chewing gum tax? Can be argued for I suppose because of the specialised nature of the machines needed to clean up.

ATM receipt tax? ..... Anyone who thinks this is a good idea really has to be short a few screws. Dont mean to be insulting but its such a ridiculous tax that I'm taken aback that anyone could support it. What next? get taxed on the receipt at a shop? A receipt is proof of transaction and as far as I am aware a customer is entitled to a receipt. These messes are outside the banks cos not one of them provide a decent bin to put them in so go after them or put a warden standing beside watching people if its such a problem. But to tax you, me and everybody for the laziness of a few pr1cks is a joke.

AngelofFire

Fianna Fail/PDs have some arrogance to call themselves the government of "low taxation". More PAYE workers are paying tax at the higher rate than ever before plus another significant portion of their income is gobbled up by stealth taxes. I worked in canada for a year on the average industrial where income tax is several percentage points higher than that of ireland, but i actually ended up having more disposable income at the end of the week than i would have over here.

sceptre

AngelofFire wrote:

More PAYE workers are paying tax at the higher rate than ever before

Worth remembering that our working population is now the highest it's been since PAYE was introduced so it's not really a fair comparison.

ionapaul

Meanwhile, Charlie topped-up funding to the tune of €300 million for the Horse and Greyhound racing industry just before he headed off. But don't worry, Joe Idiot will bring FF back again next election, sure, his house is now worth €1.5 mil (won't ever see that money, of course) and his father's father was a Dev man, why would he ever change his vote?

Hmm, what is it I like to quote in these situations....oh yeah: DEMOCRACY DOESN'T WORK. We need a benign dictatorship. As always, I nominate myself. I promise to only kill half of you damn hippies and pinkos.

therecklessone

billy the squid wrote:

what about taxing the cards them selves. 10 euro for an ATM card and 40 euro for a credit card. This is really unfair in my opinion.

Agreed.

Is it even possible to bank without an ATM card?