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06-10-2004 12:35pm#1
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Dr_Teeth wrote:Yeah I cancelled a couple of months ago, right after their combat balance announcement. They've just sent me a reg-code to play the beta but I can't be arsed as I'd have to reinstall and patch everything and then sign-up to test it.
Teeth.
does that mean you will be getting rid of your character then teeth?
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Memnoch wrote:hehe bigears, u don't need Teeth's char, ok it has a lot of cash on it, but as far as mastering proffs goes, u can pretty much master any combat proff in 1-3 days, and the same goes for crafting proffs (if u have the money for grinding resources)
its pretty easy on the level curve for "normal chars" perhaps thats why people run out of things to do quickly..
anyways I won't go on another rant about the game as i've washed my hands of it for good :P
it takes months to unlock now, of which it dosent involve grinding professions anymore but instead doing "phases" in the village where you have to unlock 6 trees (24 boxes) of FS (force side) xp
i have no eagerness to really go for jedi and have always done what i enjoyed ingame consisting of bounty hunter and my 12pt master weaponsmith alt
the game is what you make it to be really, pvp in gcw i didnt really enjoy, but pvp jedi vs bh i enjoy very much so and its more of a challenge and 1 on 1 which is the way i prefer. and well ive really took a shine to crafting in the past few months which is when i got an alt and grinded upto master ws, opened a shop and have now moved into a mall making a steady supply of all guns in the game, and recently got 12pt to match it
the money dosent bother me much, its just fictional money really when you think about it and i think i spent about 35million alone getting to 12pt and i never really have a problem credits wise
but if there was a jedi there to play i suppose it would take intrest :P0 -
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' wrote:[cEMAN**']Please Memnoch, you said you washed your hands of it - so leave it alone. Stop tainting other peoples possible new experiences of this game (which either way you look at it when you first start it's brilliant!) with your own bitter stories.
Not everyone wants to PvP. A lot of people don't PvP because it's not twitchy. So stop harping on the same tired old cries about the game! You've cancelled your account, so just leave it well alone.
I know a lot of people who have now tested JTL and think it's fantastic. In their opinion it's well worth getting SWG just for this.
please iceman, leave me alone, i have just as much a right to express my opinion on the forums as you do, and i'm not breaking any rules in the charter.
I'm not tainting anyone's opinion, i'm providing truthful information, and if you have logical reasonable arguements to present that counter what I have to say then feel free to do so, obviously you don't which is why you constantly attack me at a personal level.
Did I say everyone WANTS to PvP? no i didn't say that. So if someone doesn't want to PvP my PvP stories won't "taint" their experience will it? In which case it doesn't matter at all. While those who DO want to PvP might wanna know what its like.
This is the way I am, if I go to a resturant and the food is great, I will go there again and again, take my girlfriend, take my friends, and recommend it to everyone I know.
If i go to a resturant and the food/service is crap, then I will stop going there, and advise people I know to do the same. If you can't deal with it, then too bad for you.
Feel free to add me to your ignore lists so you don't have to read my "bitter" stories. But everything I have said about the game is true, and as I said before, your welcome to post counter arguements at any time.
I also know a lot of people who said JTL is crap, but TBH i'm not intersted in commenting on JTL since I haven't played it, just as those who haven't played through a Jedi shouldn't try to pretend they know what its like 0 -
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' wrote:[cEMAN**']For a profession to be broken it would need to have been intended in another way. 8 hours to grind a profession? Which one? I managed fencer in 18 hours and I pushed it damn hard - i'd love to know how you master in 8 hours.
the broken intended arguement is rubbish. There are countless instances where devs say its "working as intended" while professions/classes are broken. Remember wookies not having armor was "working as intended". This is a really weak arguement. Swordsman can be mastered in 8 hours, there was a post on SWG forums from a guy who did it. But even if we say 18 hours for an average profession taking you're figure, thats still PRETTY DAMN FAST in comparison to any game.Groups still happen. Things you need to consider here.....though it's an MMO, a lot of people don't want to group together. When they do you generally find them in PvP - yes there are huge groups of people who do this - they're called GANK SQUADS.
PvE groups rarely happen. MMO's are all about social interaction and interactivity, thats the general basic design, different classes are supposed to work together and complement each other in a group, to achieve goals. Thats what made MMO's hugely popular in the first place. If there is no grouping, you might as well play a single player game, i mean if you're not going to interact with people does it matter if they are people or NPCs? And yes gank squads are a problem. But thats because of the zerg fest related nature of SWG PvP.I frequently group with my friends and my guild mates. We do krayt hunts with non riflemen/cms because we want to do it for fun. But I wouldn't complain that I could manage to kill a krayt myself, if that is, I didn't ever want to play with other people.
but you shouldn't be able to kill a krayt yourself, its silly, maybe MAYBE a very powerful Master Jedi should be able to kill a krayt on his own, not some pesky fencer Doesn't that go against your star wars role playing ehos? But even barring that, it just doesn't make sense in an MMORPG context.Master ID? I know 2 in my city alone, nm outside of that. You haven't looked hard enough.
were none on my server when I was looking.As for Jedi, I never claimed to know anything about playing the jedi, I simply stated that being a jedi or getting to jedi wasn't the only thing in the game.
sure it isn't I never said it was the ONLY thing. But it IS the only thing that has kept this game going. Take player jedi out completely tomorrow, and watch the game collapse.50% of the server population want Jedi? I'd love to see where you got this statistic? Isn't it a fact that 96% of all statistics are made up? hehe
there have been numerous surveys on stratics etc. In fact Before the game launched there was a huge survey on the official forums, and something like 76% of people said they wanted a jedi. Even SOE have admitted that a large proportion of players are striving towards this goal. I picked 50% to err on the side of caution, i'd venture its probably a fair bit higher than that.Look, simply put, I know loads of people who play the game because they like it, and not because of Jedi. Loads who love to go BH just to kill jedi.
Griefers? cowards? people who enjoy ruining someone else's fun in a game. Who are too affraid to go Overt and PvP on the real battlefield but happy to take 80k mission on low level jedi that haven't a hope in hell of fighting back. Sure its fun to be in a win win situation, who wouldn't enjoy it? Makes me sick.Loads who play for the ROLE PLAY ASPECT OF THE GAME (which as you admitted yourself is non existant with jedi). Loads who play for the MMO side of it. Loads who play now because they came back for JTL and enjoy it.
really? how many role playing guilds are there? is there a role playing server? I played DAOC and most servers had role playing guilds that had huge memberships. There are even pure role playing servers. Is there ROLE PLAYING in SWG? sure I don't deny that, but its few and far between. Again thats largely a fault of the dev's not implementing role play like jedi play instead they made it a boring grind.If you just want to be a jedi in a multiplayer sitatution, go buy Jedi Academy - they're all jedi. If you want to play a mmoROLE PLAYING game, and not role play, then don't complain about how others play or don't play it.
I'm not complaining about how others play unless they are griefing, in which case I have every right to complain. Other than that I don't care how others play, they can enjoy the game however they want to. I fail to see where I was complaining about others enjoying the game? (again the exception being griefers). You want to SOLO play be my guest. But if you're going to go solo krayts in an MMO you might as well do it single player? Why pay a monthly sub for a glorified chat channel if you don't wanna play with others? As for wanting to play jedi, I want to play a jedi in a living star wars universe, SWG was supposed to give me that, it didn't I wasn't the one that made promises to the player base.And understand this - nomatter how much you say you bought the game for jedi, and even considering I originally bought it to TRY to get a jedi, the game was not designed for everyone to attain Jedi. Hence it taking nearly a YEAR for the first jedi to appear in the game. And I remember the day - it was the day I started playing. And everyone was in awe - and it was at that point that everyone started copying the way that player had reached it. Even down to creaturs they had killed, number of deaths, places they'd visited - fecking food they had eaten.
the problem you don't realise, is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to have "jedi" in game AND to have them be "Rare". Quite simply Jedi are THE MOST desirable aspect of Star wars, seeing as how most games are based on them. So no matter how "rare" the system is, there will always be many jedi, because such a large proportion of the player base will do anything to get one. Your above example illustrates it. The only way to make jedi rare is to make jedi "unfun" to make being a jedi completely opposite of what the whole idea of a "Jedi" is. That is the route SOE have gone down unfortunately. THey have single handedly destroyed the concept of Jedi through in this game, which is self-defeating. Remember no one pays to play a game to not have fun.All of the little statistic whores cramed in all the facts until the next jedi appeared.....then the next..and the next....
and this is how it will be as long as Jedi exist in SWGs. And don't think that removing jedi entirely would fix things, the day jedi are removed is the day the game collapses in on itself, though i'm not sure it won't do that anyways.I remember the first day she appeared - it was such a rare occassion and a celebration. That was the way it should be! Now it's just "have you got your jedi yet?" "Nope....should have it by next week" "Cool". Where's the mystery in that any more?
and thats because SOE have made attaining jedi a "formula" a "grind", instead of role playing the way it should have been.0 -
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the broken intended arguement is rubbish. There are countless instances where devs say its "working as intended" while professions/classes are broken. Remember wookies not having armor was "working as intended". This is a really weak arguement. Swordsman can be mastered in 8 hours, there was a post on SWG forums from a guy who did it. But even if we say 18 hours for an average profession taking you're figure, thats still PRETTY DAMN FAST in comparison to any game
Yeah wookies not having armour was intended - if you recall, when the game first came out they were much MUCH tougher than every other profession. Giving other professions armour was to even this out. It wasn't until buffs were increased to such a high extent that armour was necessary for them, and accordingly the devs brought it in (albeit late).
If you're comparing this to other games then you're wrong. You can't compare it because it's not meant to be the same. If it was the same as another game I would go play that one and might stick to it if I liked it more than the star wars setting.PvE groups rarely happen. MMO's are all about social interaction and interactivity, thats the general basic design, different classes are supposed to work together and complement each other in a group, to achieve goals. Thats what made MMO's hugely popular in the first place. If there is no grouping, you might as well play a single player game, i mean if you're not going to interact with people does it matter if they are people or NPCs? And yes gank squads are a problem. But thats because of the zerg fest related nature of SWG PvP.
Ah now hold on. PvE groups? OK you're specifying again. You don't have to PvE to group, and the social aspect of MMORPG can be achieved just by actually SPEAKING to people in the game. You don't have to group and kill hordes of creatures for it to maintain its purpose as an MMORPG. Infact if it were just about that, go play CS - you group with people to beat the other team.
Interaction with NPCs and real people is slightly different. If you can't TELL the difference I wouldn't think your social skills were very good. It's nice to talk to people who can think for themselves.but you shouldn't be able to kill a krayt yourself, its silly, maybe MAYBE a very powerful Master Jedi should be able to kill a krayt on his own, not some pesky fencer Doesn't that go against your star wars role playing ehos? But even barring that, it just doesn't make sense in an MMORPG context
OK firstly you can't solo a krayt as a fencer. You'll go splat
. You can solo a krayt as a rifleman purely because of conceal shot, and you're screwed in anything larger than a baby krayt (some people can solo canyon). I do agree that it shouldn't happen, but this is 1 thing. A TKM however, managing to kill a squill (originally not meant to be solo'd either when the game FIRST came out) on his own at same height and even lesser build - that makes sense. It's a case of knit picking now.were none on my server when I was looking
How did you search? Did you ask in planet chat where only maybe 1-5% of the planet poluation ever look? Or checking name tags? whereas not everyone wears their tags? Did you /tell people and ask every one? Or did you just guess that after never having seen any while leveling your jedi in remote areas, that it must have meant that there were none on the server at all?sure it isn't I never said it was the ONLY thing. But it IS the only thing that has kept this game going. Take player jedi out completely tomorrow, and watch the game collapse
BS! plain BS! I've already stated that it was a year before the first Jedi appeared, and it was only at that point that people realised there was a path to getting it. Infact it's the Jedi quest which has nearly killed the game. People afking professions, using up resources to grind quickly, and then gank squads when they jedi reach a usable skill level. By your logic the game should have collapsed before the first jedi appeared - strangely, it was going strong...VERY strong!there have been numerous surveys on stratics etc. In fact Before the game launched there was a huge survey on the official forums, and something like 76% of people said they wanted a jedi. Even SOE have admitted that a large proportion of players are striving towards this goal. I picked 50% to err on the side of caution, i'd venture its probably a fair bit higher than that.
Yeah, I want a jedi as well. But I want it on my terms, and in the sense that I see a jedi. That isn't the case here, so I don't want a Jedi in THIS game. If such a high % of the server actually wanted a jedi so badly, then 76% of the server would be Jedi - it's wasn't that much of a tax on your brain to think - grind = jedi, if I grind, I get a jedi.Griefers? cowards? people who enjoy ruining someone else's fun in a game. Who are too affraid to go Overt and PvP on the real battlefield but happy to take 80k mission on low level jedi that haven't a hope in hell of fighting back. Sure its fun to be in a win win situation, who wouldn't enjoy it? Makes me sick.
Griefers? Cowards? Oh come on. The fact that the idea of a BH is to go out and collect a bounty, and you call them griefers and cowards because of that? No I don't see it as such. A BH is meant to sneak up on you. If he walked up and said "I intend to kill you" and had a TEF, you'd kill him before he got a chance to get a shot off. The point is like an assassin - he's meant to be sneaky. Jedi knew about BH kills on them before they went Jedi. If you didn't want the risk (same as a rebel or imp declaring then going overt) then don't go Jedi. You can't expect to be the most powerful pvp character in the game and not have anyone able to do anything to you. That would be cowardly, and griefing any non Jedi in pvp.really? how many role playing guilds are there? is there a role playing server? I played DAOC and most servers had role playing guilds that had huge memberships. There are even pure role playing servers. Is there ROLE PLAYING in SWG? sure I don't deny that, but its few and far between. Again thats largely a fault of the dev's not implementing role play like jedi play instead they made it a boring grind.
There's a few that I know of as a pure RP guild. There's mostly guilds who are RP friendly (ours is) and then there's guilds who are just for PvP. TBH the PvP guilds are the ones I would look down on the most. They generate gank squads which everyone looks down on.
So it's the devs fault about Role play? Yet you are happy to PvP and kill large things yourself? (you said so by your rifleman/CM profession). You want it both ways eh? It's people like you who make life difficult for ANY game developers. You want everything your way, and it contradicts at every point.I'm not complaining about how others play unless they are griefing, in which case I have every right to complain. Other than that I don't care how others play, they can enjoy the game however they want to. I fail to see where I was complaining about others enjoying the game? (again the exception being griefers). You want to SOLO play be my guest. But if you're going to go solo krayts in an MMO you might as well do it single player? Why pay a monthly sub for a glorified chat channel if you don't wanna play with others? As for wanting to play jedi, I want to play a jedi in a living star wars universe, SWG was supposed to give me that, it didn't I wasn't the one that made promises to the player base
So firstly you say you shouldn't solo - now you're saying it's OK if you solo, just leave you out of it?
As for wanting to play a jedi in a living star wars universe, this, as i've stated countless times, and ask any dev, was NOT the intention when the game first came out. But I guess they could never have estimated the amount of sad little grinders seeking the end product of a jedi, then complaining that it wasn't what they expected.
You say that it was meant to be worth it? Mysterious and powerful? OK now about it's mysterious because of the visibility system - you have to fade into mystery to not end up on the terminals (yes I agree that's currently broken but then you wait, you get what you wait for). The powerful side, you are the most powerful PvP player in the game. Though other players can stack various professions, that's not just 1 pvp profession. In a straight profession for profession, Jedi outpowers ALL other professions - if you want to complain about mixed pvp professions, why not add TK or fencer to your jedi template?0 -
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My original point was as a request to watch the way you were wording your posts. Though you say that it won't affect the people who don't want to go jedi in the game, from the way you were wording your posts they would be hard pressed to think there was anything else in the game to do.
The number of replies i've given so far have been to provide an argument to dispute your points, as you requested.
But my original point still stands. Can you simply point out when posting that jedi is not the only thing worth playing for, so that potential players aren't put off before they have a chance to try it themselves.
And to your question about my friends? No of course I didn't yell at them. But I did feel sorry for them losing interest in a game they had looked forward to so much. It was simply that they got caught up in the grind. It's something i've seen too many times in the game. Whereas the people who are happy to take time to sit in a cantina, buy a drink and have a chat (obviously not all the time, but when you can't take time out even for this once a week....) are those who are still enjoying the game.
When I upgraded my card I spent a week wandering around looking at the graphics
IMO (and again it is only my opinion) it's more a case of appreciating what you have rather than resenting what you don't have.0 -
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gave my account to a mate not too sure if he's still playing it now tho
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