Bigley is killed

thejollyrodger

I cant belive some of these posts Im reading !!!

nlgbbbblth

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

Are you serious?

If you are, you need to get out more often

if you don't believe me then check out an Irish pub tomorrow for the Wales and England game and see the hate for the English on vivid display.

bit difficult if you're in Glasgow though.

A Dub in Glasgo

nlgbbbblth wrote:

if you don't believe me then check out an Irish pub tomorrow for the Wales and England game and see the hate for the English on vivid display.

bit difficult if you're in Glasgow though.

Yeah and you reckon you will see a load of Scottish & Irish guys celebrating the fact that Bigley is now dead. Get a grip of yourself

mike65

Ah but that would'nt happen cos he's Irish remember, and everyone loves the Irish*

Mike.

*may not actually be true but hey....

embee

cheesedude wrote:

Just a short note to remind you all that these sick bastards are not animals and no animals in the wild do anything remotely like this.

That aint true... cats taunt mice after they catch them, they toy with them before killing them.

Back on topic, I feel very sad for his family, and I had sort of started to think they might let him go because it had gone on for so long. And I don't believe that there was anything else that the British Government could have done. It has been made public that in the past four days, messages and communications between an intermediary for the hostage takers and the British Government were passing. They cant bow to hostage takers demands, full stop. If they had stepped in and bowed to demands on this occasion, it would have possibly opened a floodgate where UK citizens become even more active targets for kidnap and beheading.

thejollyrodger

thejollyrodger wrote:

I cant belive some of these posts Im reading !!!

I can't either
Ken Bigley RIP

As regards the people who killed him-another example of mans inhumanity to man.
It's part of our humanity that people do these things and believe that they have done right-always has been and always will be.

I just thank God that I don't nor (that I'm aware) does anybody I know subscribe to evil like this.

Memnoch

I feel sorry for this guy and his family, the people who killed him didn't achieve anything, but war never does.

However there is one thing that annoys me, Yesterday US air strikes killed another 14 people in Fallujah, doctors in the city say women and children were among the dead.

Why aren't we talking about that?

everytime a british/us/westerner is kidnapped and or killed its a big story, but it seems we have become apathetic to the iraqi's that are still dying in much greater numbers on a daily basis.

I guess its not important because there are so many of them, and it happens every day, so who cares right? its just an every day occurance.

Now that is what really sickens me, even more than the murder of Mr. Bigley.

I think everyone should ask themselves, if westerners were being killed at the rate the iraqi's are, would we all be so blaze about it?

Would you give up 20,000-40,000 irish or british lives for the removal of saddam hussain? I mean 1000 dead american soldiers is hard enough for them to swallow already.

secret_squirrel

Does anyone else feel that the media deserve at least some of the blame for the 3ish weeks of suffering that the poor man endured. Lets face it the only benefit he got from the last 3 weeks of saturation media coverage was the tiny chance that the SAS or similar would find these scum and give them the bullet to the head they so richly deserve. His suffering would have been over weeks ago otherwise.

Personally I think the UK and Irish media should look back on the hysterical coverage they haven give this story and realise that they did exactly what the terrorists wanted - massive publicity. They should hang their heads in shame.

And on the subject of him getting big money to be in Iraq - does anyone know this for a fact? The spin I saw being put on it was that he was over there rebuilding the homes of ordinary Iraqi's

A Dub in Glasgo

Yes the kidnappers played to the media and the media were happy to oblige. This is something that Billy connolly highlighted but that was obviously shot down in the media.

If Ken Bigley was working in Iraq for 15-20 years, was he not propping up Saddam in a small way?

davelerave

it's sad about bigley but i don't feel outraged at this stage as the coalition have dropped a lot of bombs on these people and they didn't invite us in the first place

therecklessone

Memnoch wrote:

However there is one thing that annoys me, Yesterday US air strikes killed another 14 people in Fallujah, doctors in the city say women and children were among the dead.

Why aren't we talking about that?

/me checks politics board for thread started by Memnoch on US airstrikes in Fallujah...

/me finds none

ro_chez

Memnoch wrote:

However there is one thing that annoys me, Yesterday US air strikes killed another 14 people in Fallujah, doctors in the city say women and children were among the dead.

Why aren't we talking about that?

everytime a british/us/westerner is kidnapped and or killed its a big story, but it seems we have become apathetic to the iraqi's that are still dying in much greater numbers on a daily basis.

I guess its not important because there are so many of them, and it happens every day, so who cares right? its just an every day occurance.

What sickens me equally if not more is that some subsidery of Al Quaida detonated three bombs in Egypt last night with over 40 people killed and 100's seriously injured and it was hardly mentioned all day.

Mercury_Tilt

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beer enigma

There are early reports this morning that he actually escaped for half an hour before being re-captured and executed. They caught him in a field, trying to make the main road.

Supposedly, one of the kidnappers showed him some mercy and let him go.

Western sources are saying that they honestly thought he would be released soon, but after the escape attempt, the kidnappers executed him.

One can only surmise what happened to the guy who released him.

JackKelly

I heard the above too. Which, with all the western interest of his kidnapping (whether he knew or not) seemed like a bit of a silly thing to do.(escape). Although if i was given the chance of escape after all that i probably would have taken it.

beer enigma

I'd say the reason the guy helped him was that despite the West's hopes, his fate was already sealed.

arcadegame2004

An outrageous act of barbarism. Those who committed it do their cause no favour in the eyes of the world. Those who would portray them as part of a national uprising against foreign occupation forget that Zarqawi and his minions are foreigners who crossed over from Syria and Jordan. Zarqawi is affiliated to AQ and shares their stated aims (stated from AQ communication intercepts some time ago by one of their leaders) of provoking civil war in Iraq between Sunnis and Shias, as well as wrecking the reconstruction-effort in Iraq (the kidnap and murder of Ken Bigley would obviously fall into the latter category of their aims). No one should make excuses for them. Their aims are inconsistent with a peaceful Iraq. Zarqawi himself said on a website that there was no question of negotiation and that the West must submit to the demands of the "mujahadeen".

secret_squirrel

There have been some reports in the paper that Zarqawi is being blamed by the US for any and all atrocities that are happening in Iraq - even though he is just one among many terrorists.

The implication is that the US want to build him up into some sort of terrorist mastermind who is responsible for all the troubles in Iraq. One of their informants was quoted as saying that the US intelligence operatives dont want to know about any intelligence that doesnt involve Zarqawi. I think the article was in Mondays Irish times.

If this is true - and as far as I am aware - he hasnt personally claimed responsibility for the death of Ken Bigley its just going to raise expectations that when he is captured/killed all the trouble is going to dry up.

You would think that the US has learnt its lessons on this one already with the way they have built Osama. But no - its same dumb US playing same dumb games.

eth0_

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

Are you serious?

If you are, you need to get out more often

I agree with you. I HOPE the guy who made that comment was a kid, no excuse for saying it otherwise.

peckerhead

Supposedly, one of the kidnappers showed him some mercy and let him go.

The only reason the guy let him go was for a major fistful of dollars (offered by the UK Govt. via MI6.
Now, he's dead, too.
Not taking sides here, just trying to cut through the wishy-washy bullsh1t...

MadsL

What's your source for this peckerhead, I had the feeling Bigley was military intelligence, this would seem to confirm it...

mike65

LONDON New information is surfacing about a purported escape attempt by doomed British hostage Kenneth Bigley.
The Sunday Times says Bigley briefly fled his Iraqi kidnappers on Wednesday after British intelligence helped bribe two of his captors.But he was recaptured within minutes and beheaded on Thursday.The newspaper's Saudi source says the money came from a Syrian and an Iraqi who had infiltrated the kidnappers on behalf of British intelligence.The report says Bigley and his helpers were driving toward an area under American control when they were spotted and detained. The two helpers also were killed.Bigley and two Americans were kidnapped in Baghdad on September 16th. After the Americans were killed, Bigley was seen on video pleading with British Prime Minister Tony Blair to win his freedom.

Copyright 2004 Associated Press.

Not sure how that makes Bigley a UK spook.

Mike.

MadsL

Not sure how that makes Bigley a UK spook.

1. Can you think of any reason why the UK govt would spend money to get an 'engineer' released
2. He drove around unescorted - kind of unusual for a non-military contractor
3. His company has made no comment, appeal, or promise to help, and the name of it has been widely misreported.
4. Reports of what exactly he was working on seem VERY vague.

Other than that I have no proof, just a hunch....

[Preacher]

What happend to poor Ken Bigley was very sad indeed. Just funny how because hes a white christian its horrific.

mike65

MadsL wrote:

1. Can you think of any reason why the UK govt would spend money to get an 'engineer' released
2. He drove around unescorted - kind of unusual for a non-military contractor
3. His company has made no comment, appeal, or promise to help, and the name of it has been widely misreported.
4. Reports of what exactly he was working on seem VERY vague.

Other than that I have no proof, just a hunch....

The Italians paid a hefty randsom for thier hostages return as have other countires, Bigley may or may not have drove about the place unescorted, he was familair with the place having worked in Iraq before. His company are gscsgulf aka ascs based in UAE and he was working on US military bases.

Mike.

ps did'nt see/hear this before http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=14711903&method=full&siteid=106694&headline=saddam--free-ken-now-name_page.html

MadsL

The Italians paid a hefty randsom for thier hostages return as have other countires,

The UK have never paid (publically anyway) ransom money.

Bigley may or may not have drove about the place unescorted, he was familair with the place having worked in Iraq before.

That doesn't make it safe to do so, although I concede that this may have been 'boiled frog syndrome'

His company are gscsgulf aka ascs based in UAE

This was widely misreported as Gulf Services Co. By the way http://www.gscsgulf.com/ is noticibly lacking in content!

he was working on US military bases.

Doing what exactly...where was this reported?

Sand

What happend to poor Ken Bigley was very sad indeed. Just funny how because hes a white christian its horrific.

Yeah, if he wasnt a white christian it wouldnt be horrific.

naitkris

MadsL wrote:

1. Can you think of any reason why the UK govt would spend money to get an 'engineer' released

because he had made very emotional appeals for help on U.K. TV and it would be in Tony Blair's interest for the Gov. to spend money to get him released seeing as the appeal for help went on a personal level to Tony Blair.

not only that, but during the 3 weeks he was held, the Gov. was under enormous pressure by the media, Bigley's family and the people in the U.K. to help Mr. Bigley.

mike65

He was fitting out a base north of Baghdad but I belive it was straightforward
"domestic" stuff rather than anything to do with military hardware systems.

The compnay have been advertising in the last month for an experienced engineer with english and arabic. (4th job down)

http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/jobs_gulf_info/GN/ENG01Sep2004.html

Also if he were a spy he'd have made a bad un. Western of wrong colour, wrong faith, a contractor working for the Yanks? That practically says "kidnap me".

Mike.

SkepticOne

Oh god!

MadsL wrote:

This was widely misreported as Gulf Services Co. By the way http://www.gscsgulf.com/ is noticibly lacking in content!

That is obviously temporary front page showing their respects for their dead employees.

Your earlier point was that the company was saying nothing about the incident, yet they have replaced their home page.

Look at some of the other pages:
http://www.gscsgulf.com/areas.html
http://www.gscsgulf.com/office.html
http://www.gscsgulf.com/clients.html
http://www.gscsgulf.com/news.html
http://www.gscsgulf.com/about.html