the litter act, what a joke

LFCFan

Jiji wrote:

I have been done myself twice for the cigarette butt thing.

Good! The more that get done for it the more that might get the message that it's a disgusting filthy thing to do. You may think that a couple of butts is minor but when you have 200,000 drivers doing it, it's anything but minor. On average I'd say I see 2 people do it a day so if that's just me, imagine how many people are doing it all over the country. What I don't understand, and maybe you can tell us Jiji, why don't you use the Ashtray in your car? If you've been done twice for it, it means you are either a bit thick (Ie. after getting done the first time you'd think you'd learn) or you are just a filthy animal. Sorry if I offend you but I just don't get why people like you do it. What part if your brain tells you it's ok to litter the place? Did you watch your parents do it growing up and think it's ok or do you just see other people do it and think it's ok? Or is it totally automatic at this stage and you do it without thinking? Sorry for all the questions but I've often wondered why some people litter.

Jiji

Well LFC.

Cigarette Butts are borderline to be considered littering.

Point 1: Ireland is the ONLY COUNTRY in Europe where throwing a cigarette butt is considered littering. Thought about that one ?

Point 2: It is easy to nab a car driver (Reg number), but what about smoking pedestrians ? Practically there is no ashtrays in the street.

Point 2: Ireland (Dublin) has a litter problem, but mostly the issue is unsufiscient effort from Dublin Corp.

In most capital cities, you see in the early hours cleaning trucks with jet wash and automatic brushes, the minor litter in the street (Which - no matter how you educate the population, will always be there), has to be taken care of.

I have very seldom seen one in Dublin.

I have also read the Indo article recently showing how the hjandling of public litter bin is an absolute joke (Overflawing at lunch time, even in Grafton street....).

Having a Zero tolerance policy (125 for a butt) looks good on paper with people like you, but it is a superficial measure which doesn't adress realities.

It is demagogic, political posturing, and in the meantime Dublin has a 18th century litter management programme.

I agree throwing a butt is a bad thing LFC. I don't appreciate your holy than though attitude.

Seth Brundle

Jiji wrote:

Cigarette Butts are borderline to be considered littering.

Says who?

Point 1: Ireland is the ONLY COUNTRY in Europe where throwing a cigarette butt is considered littering. Thought about that one ?

What do the other countries consider it is?

Point 2: Ireland (Dublin) has a litter problem, but mostly the issue is unsufiscient effort from Dublin Corp.

Putting it simply, if people didn't litter then there wouldn't be a problem to clean up! If a bin is full then bring your rubbish with you in your pocket or whatever!

Sleipnir

JIji, that's is utter tripe.

In response to point 1, which countries in Europe do not consider cigarette butts litter?
Can you provide evidence to back it up.

2.) There are a lot more ashtrays on the street since the smoking ban, plus there is
one in every car?

Point 3 (the most ridiculous) Littering is caused by people who litter, not by the council
failing to clean up the litter. Cleaning up whatever you see fit to throw on the street isn't the answer.

point 4, no they don't have enough people or machines out cleaning the street. Do you think that if people didn't litter, or littered less (e.g. using the car ashtray)
there would be more or less need for additional resources?

Doesn't address the reality? I doubt Damo will fling his butts out the window without thinking first do you?

There's no 'holier than thou' attitude. He littered, littering is illegal, he was caught, the law was applied and Damo was fined.
Do you think the size of whatever is thrown on the street should decide on whether or not it is littering?


One law for you and another for everyone else perhaps?

Jiji

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Originally Posted by Jiji
Cigarette Butts are borderline to be considered littering.

Says who?


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Point 1: Ireland is the ONLY COUNTRY in Europe where throwing a cigarette butt is considered littering. Thought about that one ?

What do the other countries consider it is?


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Point 2: Ireland (Dublin) has a litter problem, but mostly the issue is unsufiscient effort from Dublin Corp.

Putting it simply, if people didn't litter then there wouldn't be a problem to clean up! If a bin is full then bring your rubbish with you in your pocket or whatever!
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You are missing the point.

Ireland is the only country fining for cigarette butts.

It is the 'Zero Tolerance' approach.

This does not work.

Yes the population needs to be educated.

Pragmatically, there will ALWAYS be a minimum level of littering, this is true in Switzerland, Germany, and other countries considered much cleaner (And yes it is OK to discard a butt in Geneva or Munich).

The point is, there is a 3rd world littering management programe in place, no or little street cleaning, public bins are overflowing midday.

Sure, it is easy to fine random people for it, but without a realsitic and pragmatic approach to it, the city will look like ****.

Why is it working in Paris, Munich and Geneva but not in Dublin ?

This is focusing on a minor aspect, and nicely forgetting about 99% of the real prolem my friend.

Stephen

Take it, Damo.

LFCFan

Jiji wrote:

Well LFC.

Cigarette Butts are borderline to be considered littering.

Point 1: Ireland is the ONLY COUNTRY in Europe where throwing a cigarette butt is considered littering. Thought about that one ?

So, because other countries can do it, it's ok! Have you ever been in other European Countries? I've been to Italy, France, Spain, England and Portugal and they are all cleaner than Dublin.

Point 2: It is easy to nab a car driver (Reg number), but what about smoking pedestrians ? Practically there is no ashtrays in the street.

Pedestrians are just as bad that do it. But like you say, more needs to be done to provide ashtrays for people. Saying that though, I've seen plenty of instances of people throwing a butt on the ground when there was an ashtray bin close by. What's their excuse?

Point 2: Ireland (Dublin) has a litter problem, but mostly the issue is unsufiscient effort from Dublin Corp.

If people didn't litter in the first place, there wouldn't be a problem. People's attitudes to litter need to change in tandem with a serious overhall of the Corpo's handling of the problem.

In most capital cities, you see in the early hours cleaning trucks with jet wash and automatic brushes, the minor litter in the street (Which - no matter how you educate the population, will always be there), has to be taken care of.

So it's ok to throw 'minor' litter because it will be cleaned up later? How come I can live my life without throwing litter on the streets?

I have also read the Indo article recently showing how the hjandling of public litter bin is an absolute joke (Overflawing at lunch time, even in Grafton street....).

I agree. This though is a different problem to people just throwing stuff on the ground. At least the rubbish overflowing from these bins was originally disgarded in the correct way. Dublin Corp. need to start emptying these bins more and providing more bins. There should be a bin at every bus stop in the city for a start.

Having a Zero tolerance policy (125 for a butt) looks good on paper with people like you, but it is a superficial measure which doesn't adress realities.

People like me? You mean people who don't litter. People who think littering is wrong? People who would like to see their city litter free? People who throw their rubbish in the bin?

I agree throwing a butt is a bad thing LFC.

Which brings me back to my earlier questions. If you agree that it's bad, why do you do it? And again, can you tell me why you don't use the ashtray in your car?

I don't appreciate your holy than though attitude.

Since when is hating litter having a holier than thou attitude. Cleaner than thou maybe, but certainly not holy

Sleipnir

Jiji wrote:

You are missing the point.

Ireland is the only country fining for cigarette butts.

Show me your source for this and I'll read it.

seamus

Hi bubbles

Seth Brundle

seamus wrote:

Hi bubbles

?????

Sleipnir

Britain don't exclude cigarette butts under law;

If any person throws down, drops or otherwise deposits in, into or from any place to which this section applies, and leaves, any thing whatsoever in such circumstances as to cause, or contribute to, or tend to lead to, the defacement by litter of any place to which this section applies, he shall, subject to subsection (2) below, be guilty of an offence.

Borzoi

seamus wrote:

Hi bubbles

Indeed - don't feed the trolls. Locking down.