WHO's THE GREATEST RAPPER

Makaveli

KittyKat wrote:

Well Tupac is my idol and probably always will be!

Surely all the blacks are your idols.

FX Meister

dig it, Im good at taking out of context

Hooky

Optikus wrote:

No hes not !! be bit his style off of Biggy.. plus he got raped on rykers island, not something that hapens to the greatest "gangster" rapper is it?

He has much better style than biggie
you couldnt compare any biggie song to Tupacs song Unconditional Love

Optikus

Hooky wrote:

He has much better style than biggie
you couldnt compare any biggie song to Tupacs song Unconditional Love

Lol he was copying Biggy's style for ages.. suppose its just a matter of opinion though. I just dont really think his lyrics are that great, or his beats TBH i just hate the sound of his voice. But its hillarious, to hear all the fcuked up sh1t that happened to him.

Hooky

I think the reason i like Tupac so much is because i can relate to some of his lyrics

Makaveli

Hooky wrote:

I think the reason i like Tupac so much is because i can relate to some of his lyrics

Yeah must be mad tough being a young black male in todays society.

Holla dawg.

David19

Lol yeah especially in Dublin.

Hooky

Im not black im talking about other things

Tha Gopher

A HUGE number of points to be made

Firstly,I realise the points Makaveli is trying to make,that Tupac is a much overrated sham icon,but it is nevertheless ironic he takes his username from Pacs other name Sorry,I know the points yer making,but it had to be pointed out at some stage :cool: Ill put it down to late teen thug life fascination at your time of registration

Secondly,I half understand what Hooky understands about identifying with rap. I ID with alot of rap. Take for example,the album Doggystyle. Half of it is about a young man getting drunk,getting high and getting laid. Its every young mans ****ing dream. The rappers live alot like the Irish like to,what with the hard drinking,the smoke,and their increasing love of taking yokes since the late 90s They are generally irresponsible good time people,like myself

As for best rapper,Tupac would struggle to make my top 5. ITS BIGGIE SMALLS FOR **** SAKE YOU NOBENDS!!!!! Look,Tupac wasnt bad. All Eyez on Me would have been a classic if it hadnt been made a 2 discer. But much of it was filler. There are about a dozen solid songs over the 2 CDs(Americas Most Wanted and Cant C Me are ****in legend,among others)-they shoulda stuck them on one CD and got on with it. 7 Day Theory was good too, but as for the rest of the post death albums,I have this feeling that seeing as the songs werent good enough to make it onto imperfect albums made when he was alive,much of it is sh1t by default.

Seriously,i pray for the day when the average knob on the street realises that nobody had lyricism,wit and vocals like Biggie(well,Eminem maybe outdid him on the wit slightly,but still). I measure a persons knowledge of rap by asking who is their fave rapper,and then asking what they thought of Biggie. If they say Pac was their fave but Biggie was their favourite,i can respect that. But if they say Biggie was ****e,i assume the truth,that theyve never heard Biggie bar on ****e songs like Hyponotise and Mo Money(tho his lyrics werent terrible,i dont like that song much). Ida thought Biggies prescence and deadly verse on the comercially played Milkshake remix mighta boosted his standing.

But seriously,Tupac had too many demensions. One song,he is a bad crack dealer shooting "niggaz" dead for the **** of it basically. The next,its all about black power,black pride,loving his brothers and sisters. So wait,in one song he can destroy his community selling crack,and in the next he laments the breakdown in his own society caused by crimes and family problems related to crack addiction? Arse biscuits. He only bleedin sold drugs for 2 weeks of his life,if at all. Christ,half this country have at some stage brought a bit of skunk back from England,or tried selling a few yokes at dance events,but it doesnt make you Pablo Escobar.

But Big wasnt like this. He was a bad mother****er, and he wasnt apologising for it or tryna make up for it. Apart from his daughter, his fans and his friends,it was a case of **** the world,he isnt pretending to be a half criminal half civil rights leader-hes a bad man,nothin more nothin less. If skangers really want to idolise the thug rapper,surely it should be the one who wasnt trying to balance his crime lyrics with some often misguided profoundness

Apart from all this,Biggie was just a legendary lyricist. The best rappers are the ones you know read alot of books-Nas,Biggie,probably Eminem. Sorry,but Pac didnt have the vocabulary Biggie did-it would probably be fair to say he wasnt as intelligent. But Biggie,the dude read alot,you can tell because of the big words he used. Tupac seemed confined to "alizee.....weeeeed....penintentareeeyyy......we riiiiidddeeee........" as well as over use of the word nigga.

The great thing about Ready to Die was it was almost like a life story. It begins with his birth,moves to his imprisonment,his time(real or imagined)as a street robber in Gimme the Loot,rising rap star with women chasing him because of this by tracks 7/8,and by track 10 he has made it. Juicy is,in my opinion,a song that has more of an effect on me than any of Pacs emotional songs. Why? Because Biggie was told by his teachers and his mother that he was gonna make nothing of his life. By this stage he is on top. The women from his old hood who dissed him are now chasing him,and hes in the position to be able to tell them to **** off,theres better looking women after him. Biggie knew he was an ugly dude,and alot of humourous lyics came from this. The second half of the album almost seems to be a different view,examining how he could have had much the same life if he stuck to the crack game and made millions from it. I think Suicidal Thoughts was the ending for both stories

Or maybe im just up too late



By the way Makaveli,who IS your favourite? Despite numerous posts in this thread yiv failed to anwser ......

Makaveli

Ah I was waiting for that to come and bite me in the ass. I didn't even like 2pac when I regged on here, it was just a username from IRC from when I was into his music more, that I carried on. Must get it changed.

Hooky

Thats some reply Gopher did ya ever think of writing a book(im not been sarcastic) you seem to know a lot i agree to a certain extent but i never focused on the person rapping i just listend to the words.
I used to go to my room when i was having a hard time and stick on my cd's a lot of the time some songs brought a tear to my eye and made me realise people live in a world full of dreams.
I had a hard upbringing and slowly sinked into a deep hole. But i managed by the grace of God to get back out of it.
Some songs of Tupac influenced me and what about DMX"slippin" an amazing song.Tupac has to remain in my top 5. Biggie is up there, NAS, also DR Dre,
i dont really like Eminem he has some messed up lyrics ,and he disrespects his mother too much(you only have one mother).I also like that song off Tupacs album Makaveli "KRAZY".

Bri

There's nothing worse than music snobbery...you may have been joking but rap is there for anyone and everyone to make what they like out of it, reinterpret, etc.

I'd like to agree on the pro-Biggie mammoth post back there. Alot of people give the impression they've never stuck on a set of headphones (i.e. take in properly) and listened to Life After Death: original song style, wit and deliverance. It's all too easy to write him off based on a few Bad Boy Chart-aimed 'hits'.

Anyone guilty of this should check out these lyrics for a slap in the face:
http://www.lyricsdepot.com/notorious-b-I-g/niggas-bleed.html

Makaveli

Life After Death isn't half the album that Ready To Die is.

MidnightQueen

Makaveli wrote:

Surely all the blacks are your idols.

Of course they are!

ExoduS 18.11

Optikus wrote:

No hes not !! be bit his style off of Biggy.. plus he got raped on rykers island, not something that hapens to the greatest "gangster" rapper is it?

tupac introduced biggie to the game. then when biggie started making it, and not paying respects to tupac, it turned to east and west

Bri

ExoduS 18.11 wrote:

Life After Death isn't half the album that Ready To Die is.

I disagree. But hey

Makaveli wrote:

tupac introduced biggie to the game. then when biggie started making it, and not paying respects to tupac, it turned to east and west

Didn't realise it was all so simple. :rolleyes:

Makaveli

Please edit those quotes.

There was no real East v West anyway.

Cannibal Ox

There was no real East v West anyway.

Word ^_^
Corporate bull****, used too get rap more publicity at a time when it was just starting too get regular airplay on the big networks.

Makaveli

Tha Gopher wrote:

By the way Makaveli,who IS your favourite? Despite numerous posts in this thread yiv failed to anwser ......

The question was who is the greatest not who is your favourite.
It's imo a stupid question. How do you measure who the greatest rapper is?

As for my favourite, I don't have one.
I like lots of artists, lots of different styles and I don't have a single favourite. It depends on my mood as to what I'll listen to and sometimes I just don't want to listen to someone even though I might really like their music.
I'm not a fanboy, like some of the people on this thread, who it seems dislike certain artists just because they like another. Like all the 2pac fanboys who dislike Big because in real life Pac and Biggie didn't like each other.

puntosporting

How do you judge the greatest?
Sales,popularity,talent i dunno lads how do you?!?

Cannibal Ox

Flow, rhymes, style/image, did that rapper bring anything revolutionary to Hip Hop? Advance it in anyway?
Wouldn't include sales anyway. Most of the greats exsist back in th 80's imho, so they'd be easily outsold by someone like Nelly.

Bri

Oops sorry about the quote I was cut 'n pasting in a hurry!

][cEMAN**

I love how people put down other people's votes and say things like Eminem can't rap or he's too pop. I'm not saying he's the greatest, far from it, but ou don't strengthen your opinion just by tring to belittle every other talent. And yes I say talent, because i've heard talentless rappers, and god help me it's pain to my ears!

So the only way to decide on this is to specify "what makes a great rap artist?".

Are we going for number of hits? Lyrical style? General sound? Influence? Longevity? Speed? Voice?

I have loads of artists I love (I suppose a lot of which most people here would reply to "OMG WTF U ST00PID TH3Y SUX!) but I wouldn't consider them the greatest - I just prefer them to others. I would only be able to give my opinion on this when you specifiy what you consider makes a rapper great!

Makaveli

Which is exactly why I think this is a stupid thread.
It'll all come down to personal preference at the end of the day.

X-Dawg

Blazin' Squad.

Optikus

Makaveli wrote:

Which is exactly why I think this is a stupid thread.
It'll all come down to personal preference at the end of the day.

DITTO

Optikus

X-Dawg wrote:

Blazin' Squad.

Roffle Roffle Roffle Roffle

X-Dawg

Optikus wrote:

Roffle Roffle Roffle Roffle

What yo laffin' at G? Da Squad are street livin' thugz yo! Lay dat shiznit on the 411, daddy.

X-Dawg 4:20~~chanoona, bro!!$$*

Optikus

Yeah they be bad, got so-solid chitin bricks.

][cEMAN**

I think the greatest rapper of all time is the second guy who raps on that "Guns don't kill people, rappers do" song.

He's mad wicked and a hip hop stylee to rock ya world........or some other sarcastic praising BS

*Edit* Sorry I think it's "Guns don't kill people, wappahs do". My bad *Edit*

Klimseven

Please let this thread die...it's pointless
How can 90% of the ppl on this forum make a decision on 'the greatest' emcee of all time (not their 'favourite') when they know only a handfull of mainstream bull$hit pop acts? The thread is then a discusion on who is the greatest between: Nelly or Chingy...Eminem or DMX...etc etc. To make an informed decision on things like this, you have to be informed...that's why it's called informed, see? Go and listen to Rakim, Del tha Funky Homasapien, Guru, Ramellzee, Chuck D, De La Soul, Tribe Called Quest, EPMD, Mf Doom, Souls of Mischief, Freestyle Fellowship, Hieroglyphics, BDP, Slick Rick, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, KRS-ONE :cool: and then make a decision. Until then change the title of the thread to "Who's the greatest rapper out of the five average commercial rappers you know?"...or, like I said...let this thread die...yay!

rabbitinlights

Well put, Im Very happy as voted for Guru from Gangstarr and i just found out he is playing a solo gig in Cuba in Galway on November 16th, Which happens to be My Birthday! How sweet is that! And i Got to See Charlie 2na during the summer at Electric Picnic.... Two of my greatest Hip-hop Heros in a few months! Ireland is getting Much Better!

colin300

In my opinion it has to be someone like Eminem, Tupac, or Jay Z.

I dont where u people are going saying that eminem is pop and all that cause if you listen to his songs he doesn't rap about stupid things he raps about what he knows and so do Tupac and Jay Z. If you want to criticise eminem for all his pop stuff fine go ahead i do myself. But if you listen to tracks on his albums that aren't pop rap they are all what he knows and wants to say. They all aren't like My Name Is and anyway if you's know anything why does he do this???? Yes you guessed the one thing we all want MONEY!!! Anyway Aftermath force him to put that stuff on his albums so they sell well and all the kids get there parents to buy the album. Look at his second album The Marshall Mathers LP had all his tracks done sent it to Aftermath they sent it back and said we want another My Name Is or they wont release it as it was too dark. So dont blame him for what the people that pay him want. Your hardly going to say to your boss if you want to keep your job no **** off!!!


Thats my opinion anyway and there are other good artists i listen too like all the others people have mentioned. They just appeal to me. Also when people say the rappers these days are no good you need to remember like everything rap has evolved.

P.S. Lloyd Banks is also good he has a good lot of songs and they are all good. Alot of G-Unit are good apart from Game he is a joke. I have no time for people that lie about who and where they are from. He raps about what he wishes he had done not what he has done. When people like Lloyd Banks get there second album they will be very good because they have to rap about bling and all that so they become famous and then they can say what they want. So just because someone doesn't rap about what they believe in first off you cant really say anything about them.

ubu

colin300 wrote:

I'm an idiot

I think this is what you're trying to say

I think everything been said at this stage in the thread at this stage i dunno why people are trying to start the debate again, especially with such abysmal knowledge of hip hop
G-unit :rolleyes:

Optikus

ubu wrote:

I think this is what you're trying to say

I think everything been said at this stage in the thread at this stage i dunno why people are trying to start the debate again, especially with such abysmal knowledge of hip hop
G-unit :rolleyes:

DITTO

X-Dawg

Optikus:
Why do you have someone elses artwork in your sig?

Optikus

X-Dawg i've told you before its my artwork .. why do you persist to annoy me.. Do you know me ..i don't think so.. so why do you think this is not my artwork.. you are muppet and i can't wait to see you banned .. which shouldn't be too long considering the amount of people you have plssed off already.

X-Dawg

Because I know who did it, and it's NOT yours. NEMA did it - and you're not him, becasue you weren't able to answer any questions that only he would know the answer to.
WELL? Anything to say?

You're a phoney - pretending it's yours. That's just sad.

Optikus

You know !!! OK believe what you want... i don't need to prove anything to you there is a few people who post on here who Personaly know me and what i do.. your opinion is meaningless to me.. now if you don't mind ..Stop going off topic.
These are my NiMS peices theres a difference there from a legal point of view.. what question did you ask me???? none so stop making up crap.. if your referring to the question FX asked me hasn't a clue he spoke to people who claimed to be my mates when i questioned them they knew nothing of him.. he just going to london and getting filled full of crap by nobodys... if he wants this sorted once and for all tell him to ring memo ask memo to ring heal and heal will confirm that it is I who post's on here.. now stop posting trollish off topic comments!

X-Dawg

If it's yours, let's see a full resolution scan of the orginal photo! What excuse will you have now?

Optikus

Optikus

Optikus

You are the one who thinks you know me and my mates ...would it not just be easier for you to ring them....... wanna know why cos you are full os chit.. and m not replying to anymore of your off topic crap.. u muppet troll.

X-Dawg

lol
I said a FULL RESOLUTION SCAN OF THE ORIGINAL PHOTO - Not a larger version of the thumbnail you robbed. Do you really think I would fall for that? Let's see the ORIGINAL - nimrod.

Optikus

X-Dawg wrote:

lol
I said a FULL RESOLUTION SCAN OF THE ORIGINAL PHOTO - Not a larger version of the thumbnail you robbed. Do you really think I would fall for that? Let's see the ORIGINAL - nimrod.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

X-Dawg

Optikus wrote:

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

What? Post the ORIGINAL and stop lying about it.

Optikus

Look i don't have access to a scanner... so stop being a twat your argument is pathetic.. if you want to know the truth ring the people you and your mate claim to know simple isnt it... posting the original res proves nothing and you know that when i do these i just don't take one pic i take several at night then try again for dytimes.. and i give them out to alot of my mates ..so you know that won't prove anything your just a sad jealous little toy... NOW THIS IS THE LAST TIME I AM POSTING ABOUT THIS ON HERE!!! ..you want proof get on the phone.

Cannibal Ox

X-Dawg, bitch about it somewhere else for christs sake.

Lloyd Banks is also good he has a good lot of songs and they are all good.blah....blah...blah...So just because someone doesn't rap about what they believe in first off you cant really say anything about them.

This has to be the funniest **** I've ever read here.

colin300

right i think now it would be a good time to ban one of you's this is a rap forum not one to complain over artwork.

Better off closing this thread or erasing the last 5 posts of rubbish.

If you think i am an idiot why dont u look to the people that say tupac was rubbish they in my opinion are idiots. Why dont you go off and say NWA were rubbish sure you could say that about anyone. Hip hop will never be what it was in the beginning it is not one bit like it was. It went to mainstream and changed completely. In the old days they called Sir Mix Alot rap so dont say people like G-unit are crap.

Hip-hop and rap will never be what they were they have changed over time like everything. Sure if you could go back to the 1960's there was rap and you could have had the greatest rapper of all time but he wasn't mainstream and he probably sang R&B but it was called rap because it was so unorthodox.

David19

Colin300 I'd agree with you that eminem and jay-z are up there with the best but g-unit? Come on, they're pretty rubbish. They have 0% content and they don't have exceptionally good flow or styles. You might like them, which is fair enough but they're no where near being the best.