How much did the Dublin Spire cost?

Undercoverguy

Just wondering cos im getting a hundred different quotes.

How much in total did the spire cost?

Naos

ill humour u.

4million.

Prozium

Is this a retorical question ???

Chonaic

Well the money could have been used to home the homeless, build a million hospitals and stop the celtic tiger slowing down, well according to most people anyway.


€4,000,000 or IR£3,000,000

eirebhoy

Jaysus, another thread for people to moan about the price of the Spike. The government gave é191m to the FAI and IRFU to help fund their stadium, nobody would notice if they gave é195m. 4m is feck all TBH.

Prozium

I have seen "the" actual figures for the spire and believe me, it was alot more than €4 million !!!

monkeyfudge

They made a lot of money back selling the merchandising rights for the Spire.

I can't wait to be able to buy a little Spire model in Carrols.

I believe it's around 3.9 million Euro. Which is quite good considering the scale of the thing.

Do you know how much a hospital would cost to build?

I'd be more concerned about the money wasted on a poorly planned Luas and eVoting systems, not to mention the tribunals. The cost of the Spire is nothing compared to those.

EDIT: €4.8 million was the final cost according to the Dublin City Council.

The only thing I hate about the Spire is the contents of the Time Capsule underneath it... An Argos catalog and a menu from Domino's Pizza????!!!???

Chonaic

Prozium wrote:

I have seen "the" actual figures for the spire and believe me, it was alot more than €4 million !!!

care to provide a link???

monkeyfudge

http://www.dublincity.ie/profile/pressr/030707.htm

Chonaic

The Spire was pre-made in a number of sections, which were transported separately and subsequently internally bolted together on-site. At the base, the Spire passes through a 7-metre diameter circular bronze plate, patinated to a dark earth colour to contrast with the brighter qualities of the Spire and incorporating a spiral machined into its surface. Cost €4.8 million. Designed by Ian Ritchie Architects of London

i rest my case.

Flukey

Had it not been spent on the Spire it would have gone to some other project and not to health or education etc. which have their own budgets and have nothing to do with the money that was used to build the Spire. So even if the money for the Spire had been put on a rubbish dump and burnt, no more of less would have gone to the health service. Each department gets its allocation and it doesn't matter what it spends it on, not a cent is being taken away from any other department! The biggest losses of money to the health service is the money being lost through the health service by mismanagement. Properly managed, you could have twice as good a health service for half the money spent on it. You could say that the health service is wasting millions that could be spent on more Spires or to home the homeless, build a million hospitals and stop the celtic tiger slowing down.

Prozium

MMMmmm, 4.8 million.


I think not.

Add VAT onto that and you might be close.

Sleipnir

Chonaic wrote:

stop the celtic tiger slowing down

Now that's funny.

"Right lads, we've got 4 million buck in the bank. What'll we do with?"

"Build a big Spike"

"NO WAIT! Here's an idea we can use it to buy a big harness to strap to that big Tiger everyone is complaining about!!!"

"I like it!!!!"


plus, if you dumped 4 million into the health service you might as well chop it up and make cash-soup.
Money isn't the problem there and 4 mill is a drop in the ocean.
I'm not saying it couldn't have been better spent but flinging it somewhere doesn't work.

Blub2k4

This is something that has been rumoured.

Bono wants a skyline in Dublin, entailing skyscrapers etc.

Planning permission only goes as high as the tallest building, Liberty Hall I think.

Raise the bar with a spike, everybody's happy, well Bono really.

calhob_ie

The council, being a government body, is Vat exempt. Oh and 4mill is a tiny tiny amount when your talking health, social welfare budgets etc.

I dont think theres a lot more the council could've done with 4mill to be honest.

Gurgle

Undercoverguy wrote:

Just wondering cos im getting a hundred different quotes.
How much in total did the spire cost?

You want to buy one ?
I gan get ya one for about €500,000
Its second-hand but in good order throughout.

You will have to come and collect it though, can you meet in the city centre ?

Sleepy

Blub2k4 wrote:

This is something that has been rumoured.

Bono wants a skyline in Dublin, entailing skyscrapers etc.

Planning permission only goes as high as the tallest building, Liberty Hall I think.

Raise the bar with a spike, everybodies happy, well Bono really.

Christ, get out the tinfoil hats :rolleyes:

Flukey

Gurgle wrote:

You want to buy one ?
I gan get ya one for about €500,000
Its second-hand but in good order throughout.

You will have to come and collect it though, can you meet in the city centre ?

Not the city centre Gurgle. Try the car park at Blanchardstown shopping centre. You are sure to find someone to buy it there. Don't forget to tell them that you are leaving the country tomorrow and have to get rid of it quick.

X-Dawg

Gurgle wrote:

You want to buy one ?
I gan get ya one for about €500,000
Its second-hand but in good order throughout.

You will have to come and collect it though, can you meet in the city centre ?

Awww man! That was seriously funny. I was crying laughing for like, 10 minutes. Very clever - good work.

JoeSchmoe

Blub2k4 wrote:

This is something that has been rumoured.

Bono wants a skyline in Dublin, entailing skyscrapers etc.

Planning permission only goes as high as the tallest building, Liberty Hall I think.

Raise the bar with a spike, everybody's happy, well Bono really.

there are plans for a 30 storey or so apartment/office block complex near heuston station

PH01

They should build it highter and wider, and cover it in gold plate.

I demand that this happens - who's with me?

Hagar

I just did a quick calculation. I got it covered guys.
If I pay PAYE at €250 per week, every penny I pay in taxes for the next 307 years will just about cover the €4,000,000.
Now we just need a volunteer to cough up for the running costs.
Methusulah, Methusulah where are you?

Who said you don't get value for money in Ireland?

sliabh

At the time the original competition for the spot was held I think the suggested budget was €6m. So you could argue that it came in under budget.

On a slightly unrelated topic a regular pub conversation between my mates and I is how could we get a traffic cone on top of the thing (we are Engineers).

sliabh

Prozium wrote:

MMMmmm, 4.8 million.


I think not.

Add VAT onto that and you might be close.

You going to provide us with an amount, a reference or even your reason why you have this secret knowledge that you don't seem to be able to share with the rest of us?

Chonaic

4,000,000/100 = 40,000
40,000 * = 540,000
4,000,000 + 540,000 =

4,540,000

inc. VAT

Chonaic

Considering it myself, Prozium could have a point: the actual spire thing might have cost 4.8m, then there is the labour, the cranes, the failed attempts, these set-backs could have cost a little bit more, but by no means a substantial amount.

bringitdown

Well can we not discount the VAT seen as the government gets it?

Liathróidi

sliabh

Chonaic wrote:

4,000,000/100 = 40,000
40,000 * 21 = 840,000
4,000,000 + 840,000 =

5,240,000

inc. VAT

Ah, but the Spire is a monument, so from the revenue list of VAT rates (a strange read in it's own right) VAT would be charged at 13.5%.

http://www.revenue.ie/services/tax_info/vatrate/T00995.htm

So it becomes:
40,000 * 13.5 = 540,000
4,000,000 + 540,000 =

4,540,000

inc. VAT

Chonaic

as for getting the cone up there, join up with fathers4justice and get a man dressed as spider-man to climb it and stick it there.

sliabh

Chonaic wrote:

Considering it myself, Prozium could have a point: the actual spire thing might have cost 4.8m, then there is the labour, the cranes, the failed attempts, these set-backs could have cost a little bit more, but by no means a substantial amount.

Nah, any costing usually takes labour and services into account. When you hear the cost of a new road it's for the whole package, not just several thousand tonnes of sand, cement, gravel, asphalt and steel.

Naos

You could aslo try a skilled parachute attempt..

Chonaic

is there not a way to walk up the spire i remember some lad had to put in the temporary light.......

tipperaryboy

It was a waste of money in one sense BUT i suppose Dublin did not have any major modern landmark like any other major city in the world.