N11/N25 - Oilgate to Rosslare Harbour [route options published]

annfield1978

Taking the scheme from Phase 1 - Concept Feasibility through to Phase 2 Route selction, Phase 3 Design and Phase 4 Statutory Process

http://www.tiipublications.ie/library/PE-PMG-02041-01.pdf

PoolDude

annfield1978 wrote: »

Taking the scheme from Phase 1 - Concept Feasibility through to Phase 2 Route selction, Phase 3 Design and Phase 4 Statutory Process

http://www.tiipublications.ie/library/PE-PMG-02041-01.pdf

Thank you - wouldn’t some of this have been previously completed? Can they re-use & apply that work?

marno21

PoolDude wrote: »

Thank you - wouldn’t some of this have been previously completed? Can they re-use & apply that work?

Unfortunately not - all that work has to be redone for these schemes

Reuben1210

That's great, so we have this section and the N11 Bray - Coynes Cross funded up to phase 4!!

spacetweek

marno21 wrote: »

Unfortunately not - all that work has to be redone for these schemes

Has there been any confirmation of the standard to which this will be built?

My ideal would be M11 to the N11/N25 roundabout west of Wexford and dual south of that, but with the Wexford roundabouts grade-separated.

marno21

spacetweek wrote: »

Has there been any confirmation of the standard to which this will be built?

My ideal would be M11 to the N11/N25 roundabout west of Wexford and dual south of that, but with the Wexford roundabouts grade-separated.

No confirmation yet I'm afraid way too early for that. But I'd agree that your proposal won't be far from what will be proposed

JupiterKid

kneemos wrote: »

Another blockade apparently.

https://www.southeastradio.ie/2019/05/day-3-of-enniscorthy-bypass-blockade-underway-over-water-runoff-dispute/


The contracts for the design of the Oylgate bypass are to be signed next week also.

Do you know (or does anyone know?) if the Oylgate by-pass will be a 2+2, D2, motorway or just a wide S2?

marno21

JupiterKid wrote: »

Do you know (or does anyone know?) if the Oylgate by-pass will be a 2+2, D2, motorway or just a wide S2?

It's far too early to tell

If I were to bet on it it'll be motorway to Wexford and 2+2 from there to Rosslare

kneemos

JupiterKid wrote: »

Do you know (or does anyone know?) if the Oylgate by-pass will be a 2+2, D2, motorway or just a wide S2?

Doesn't say in the article.

BelfastVanMan

kneemos wrote: »

JupiterKid wrote: »

Do you know (or does anyone know?) if the Oylgate by-pass will be a 2+2, D2, motorway or just a wide S2?

Doesn't say in the article.

It'll be at least a DC. Possibly Motorway as far as Wexford.

Wide SC isn't used anymore.

marno21

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

It'll be at least a DC. Possibly Motorway as far as Wexford.

Wide SC isn't used anymore.

Indeed it'll be definitely dual. The existing route is S2 with shoulders so an offline S2 would make little sense.

vicwatson

marno21 wrote: »

Unfortunately not - all that work has to be redone for these schemes

Why is that? If a route selection corridor was already made?

marno21

vicwatson wrote: »

Why is that? If a route selection corridor was already made?

All of the schemes that were suspended in 2011 are restarting from scratch - due to changes in the appraisal requirements under the Public Spending Code afaik

vicwatson

Seems like more cash for nothing, surveys etc etc etc that were already paid for Will now be tendered and have to be paid for again

annfield1978

Motts have picked this up again

marno21

annfield1978 wrote: »

Motts have picked this up again

Groundhog day in their offices.

vicwatson

marno21 wrote: »

Groundhog day in their offices.

Rinse, repeat, money for Jam

kneemos

Engineering consultants we're appointed today, it'll be three years at best though before it gets through planning stage.
Nobody hold their breath.

https://wexfordtoday.com/2019/05/16/e800000-for-n11-n25-from-oylegate-to-rosslare/

marno21

A timeline. Wonderful

Initial public consultation - end 2019
Routes public consultation - 2020
ABP submission - 2022

MichealD

What ever about the eventual construction of this complete project I wonder if the section that will replace/improve the current N25/Wexford bypass will be accelerated?

I'm not sure the road from the N11/N25 Enniscorthy/New Ross Roundabout to the N25 Rosslare road roundabout can wait that long to be improved. Currently takes about 25 mins at peak time each evening to travel the less than 6km stretch northbound. With the Rosslare sailings arriving/departing close to these peak times the busy summer sailings can mean tailbacks for the length of the bypass.

Its getting more dangerous with the single lane + hard shoulder being turned into an unofficial dual carriageway on approach to roundabouts, no space left for commuting cyclists and u turns by cars trying to find alternative rat runs.

marno21

MichealD wrote: »

What ever about the eventual construction of this complete project I wonder if the section that will replace/improve the current N25/Wexford bypass will be accelerated?

I'm not sure the road from the N11/N25 Enniscorthy/New Ross Roundabout to the N25 Rosslare road roundabout can wait that long to be improved. Currently takes about 25 mins at peak time each evening to travel the less than 6km stretch northbound. With the Rosslare sailings arriving/departing close to these peak times the busy summer sailings can mean tailbacks for the length of the bypass.

Its getting more dangerous with the single lane + hard shoulder being turned into an unofficial dual carriageway on approach to roundabouts, no space left for commuting cyclists and u turns by cars trying to find alternative rat runs.

It really depends.

This scheme is one of the first in the pipeline schemes in the NDP which are to be advanced through planning and design between now and 2022. There has been no commitments made to what happens after 2022, no commitments as to how many of these schemes or whether they will be divided up into phases or not.

If they are to phase these schemes it wouldn't surprise me if Oilgate-Wexford South was prioritised, after all Wexford-Rosslare is significantly quieter than the rest.

MichealD

marno21 wrote: »

If they are to phase these schemes it wouldn't surprise me if Oilgate-Wexford South was prioritised, after all Wexford-Rosslare is significantly quieter than the rest.

Agree with this. As a daily user of this road I cannot see the justification for a dual carriage way below Wexford. The current road is a good quality wide single carriageway albeit with multiple side road junctions. Completion of the long proposed access road from Rosslare Harbour to north of that village would be sufficient.

Dr_Bill

marno21 wrote: »

A timeline. Wonderful

Initial public consultation - end 2019
Routes public consultation - 2020
ABP submission - 2022

Award of Tender - 2023?
Road Open - 2026?

The Government are great at telling us all the good work that they are planning to do!

marno21

Dr_Bill wrote: »

Award of Tender - 2023?
Road Open - 2026?

The Government are great at telling us all the good work that they are planning to do!

I would say 2024/2027 more likely but this scheme is now the leader of the pack so if there are a lack of other schemes with planning this will get priority.

FYI, maps of the 2011 route are here (300m wide corridor): https://www.wexfordcoco.ie/roads-travel-and-parking/national-roads-projects/n11n25-oilgate-rosslare-harbour/maps

The Wexford bypass will presumably be included again so the route will likely be similar to the 2011 route. The section south of Wexford town is a cul de sac also so will likely follow the same route into Rosslare Europort.

Joey Joe-Joe Jr

Apologies as this is a bit of a hatchet job...

Out of curiosity (and boredom) I stitched the maps together and overlayed them onto a google maps screen-grab.
They're not lined up perfectly, but you get the idea.

MichealD

marno21 wrote: »

I would say 2024/2027 more likely but this scheme is now the leader of the pack so if there are a lack of other schemes with planning this will get priority.

FYI, maps of the 2011 route are here (300m wide corridor): https://www.wexfordcoco.ie/roads-travel-and-parking/national-roads-projects/n11n25-oilgate-rosslare-harbour/maps

The Wexford bypass will presumably be included again so the route will likely be similar to the 2011 route. The section south of Wexford town is a cul de sac also so will likely follow the same route into Rosslare Europort.

Haven't looked at those maps in a long time!

Its a pointless exercise looking back, and I know there were budgetary constraints at the time it was signed off, but when you look again at map no. 1 it really points out how short sighted it was to end the M11 with a junction north of Oylegate instead of south of it.

The river crossing west of Ferrycarrig will present an interesting engineering challenge. There's a fairly steep fall on the north side of the river, a wide crossing and an elevated railway track to be crossed at that point on the south side.

vicwatson

But this might not be the final route at all isn’t that right?

loyatemu

vicwatson wrote: »

But this might not be the final route at all isn’t that right?

they're supposedly starting from scratch with the route, but I'd imagine the first thing they'll do is look at the route chosen in 2010 and see if it's still viable.

vicwatson

loyatemu wrote: »

they're supposedly starting from scratch with the route, but I'd imagine the first thing they'll do is look at the route chosen in 2010 and see if it's still viable.

Nothing has changed so it’s unlikely they’ll find anything different to 2010

loyatemu

vicwatson wrote: »

Nothing has changed so it’s unlikely they’ll find anything different to 2010

it'll probably be the same route so.