N11/N25 - Oilgate to Rosslare Harbour [route options published]

jd

Looks like there is a shortage of space for trucks to park up in Rosslare..

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/wexford-district/truck-drivers-throwing-bottles-of-urine-into-ditches-as-rosslare-europort-bears-brunt-of-holyhead-closure/a1238619143.html

geographica

2029/2030 before this begins?

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/wexford-district/new-rosslare-motorway-remains-ten-years-off-despite-increases-in-traffic/a681184604.html

Cookiemunster

Well if it doesn't get to ABP until Q3 2026 then 2030 would be optimistic.

geographica

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123064556#Comment_123064556

And Eamonn Hore saying it could be 2029 🙄

Pete_Cavan

I assume the issue is the intention to build motorway? Type 2 DC would be fine here and could be progressed much fast. There is also the possibility that after feckin' about for several years with this, that it gets rejected and the process has to start again.

KrisW1001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123065023#Comment_123065023

The earlier communications suggested M/N11 would be Type 1 DC (“motorway”) for the remainder of its length: bypassing Oilgate, across the Slaney estuary and south to the point where it meets N25, east of Barntown. While the road will probably be Type 1, I think actual motorway restrictions would not begin until Oilgate: a second estuary crossing is too useful to restrict it to motorway-only traffic.

The new sections of N25 will most likely be Type 2 DC ("2+2") throughout. That's for safety reasons, rather than capacity: there's a lot of hairy overtaking here, as car passengers try to get past the HGV traffic to and from the ferry port.

Chris_5339762

I think it'll be motorway until it meets the N25. TII (and NRA back when it was that) don't like isolated sections of motorway, so I don't think any of the N25 part will have blue signs.

My guess so is motorway to the N25 junction, Type 1 Dual Carriageway until the southern end of the Wexford bypass, then 2+2 from there.

marno21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123065595#Comment_123065595

TII don't seem to mind short stub sections of motorway like the N25 would be here (see M2, M17, M20). A potential M25 here would be more of an M11 extension with an N25 TOTSO. Although there's no real reason why the road from Wexford Town to Rosslare Port couldn't just be M11.

It seems they don't like isolated sections as in sections not connected to the main motorway network (e.g. the Waterford bypass which would have an N9 section between a potential M25 and the N9, an M22 which would have a N40 section between it and the N8). The N25 in Cork iirc had no alternative route between Dunkettle and J2 Little Island which made it unworkable, and the N8 ending 400m north of Dunkettle was an issue too.

KrisW1001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123065690#Comment_123065690

The Waterford bypass doesn't meet the geometric criteria to be a motorway, except at 100 km/h, so there's no point in putting blue signs on it just to have a line on a map.

kneemos

The active travel route for cyclists and pedestrians is apparently holding up progress.

jd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123129708#Comment_123129708

I think it's the new requirememt for a service area too.

KrisW1001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123130404#Comment_123130404

A service area would need a lot more design than a parallel cycleway. On a route to and from a major port, a service area should have been in the plan from the start.

geographica

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123129708#Comment_123129708

A political tussle is ensuing

https://www.southeastradio.ie/ger-carthy-responds-to-criticisms-from-leonard-kelly/

geographica

more of it

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/news/fears-tinkering-with-active-travel-element-of-wexford-motorway-project-could-cause-high-court-challenge-and-more-delays/a989890557.html

road_high

I’ve said it before and I’m right in thinking this will not happen any time soon. I’ve been on/off the ferry and on this road and while busy it’s never very bad and moves along well. It’s wide two lane with hard shoulders and by most standards not a bad road.
I did think there was supposed to be a new Rosslare port access road to bypass the fairly inadequate steep and narrow one but not sure what happened those plans

kneemos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123223497#Comment_123223497

Daily tailbacks from Oilgate to the roundabout. Not to mention the quality of life for those around Oilgate.

If they'd bypassed Oilgate initially,like anybody with a lick of sense it might not be so urgent. That said it is pretty non stop in both directions.

geographica

yep should have bypassed Oylegate

plus, the ring roads around Wexford town are an utter nightmare and could be “fixed” relatively easy in the meantime by building two left only lanes at the maldron roundabout from Rosslare direction towards New Ross, there’s free space there to do it 🤷🏼‍♂️