N11/N25 - Oilgate to Rosslare Harbour [route options published]

jd

Wexford Co Co have updated their web site
http://www.wexford.ie/wex/Departments/Roads/NationalRoadsLiaisonOffice/OilgateRosslareHarbourProject/DetailedMapsOfOilgatetoRosslare/

Also

Proposed Road Type & Access

The cross-section and proposed road type for the N11/N25 Oilgate to
Rosslare Harbour Scheme will be decided at the Design Phase.
In determining the cross-section, a number of factors will be considered
including predicted traffic volumes, consistency of alignment with adjacent
schemes, safety considerations, scheme specific issues (e.g. topography,
ground conditions), access requirements/restrictions, cost, road safety and
Government strategy and policy objectives.

Non-national roads intersected or met by the proposed route may either be
bridged over or under or may have access restricted. Junction numbers and
type will not be finalised until the Design Phase and those shown are
preliminary and are subject to change.

spacetweek

Certainly looks online to me. If they do, it'll be unusual for Ireland these days.

jd

Been away, so not been keeping up to date on this. As as I've said before I'm not convinced of the need for a motorway, with 2+2 perhaps what is needed. That been said, I cannot agree that national roads should go through villages (Oylegate/Tagoat/Kilrane), which seems to be the position of those against the scheme, presumably as they feel it will affect shops and petrol stations. I think someone also said this scheme will kill off Wexford Town, and that bypasses destroyed Arklow, Drogheda and some other towns, but no evidence is supplied to back this up. The Rosslare section of the route was agreed without much opposition years ago.

Irish and Proud

jd wrote: »

Been away, so not been keeping up to date on this. As as I've said before I'm not convinced of the need for a motorway, with 2+2 perhaps what is needed. That been said, I cannot agree that national roads should go through villages (Oylegate/Tagoat/Kilrane), which seems to be the position of those against the scheme, presumably as they feel it will affect shops and petrol stations. I think someone also said this scheme will kill off Wexford Town, and that bypasses destroyed Arklow, Drogheda and some other towns, but no evidence is supplied to back this up. The Rosslare section of the route was agreed without much opposition years ago.

+1

The purpose of a National Road is to get people from one strategic part of the country to another such as Dublin to Rosslare. National Roads were traditionally routed via the large towns in order to serve a larger catchment. However, the basic principle still remains: getting people from A to B quickly and safely.

If towns/villages want business, it is up to them to compete for business rather than reaping the benefits of a captive audience - such conditions were frequently abused by way of high prices and poor services that motorists experienced en-route (the impression I get by some previous posts on this forum).

In short, no town or community has the right to force the motorists to travel a certain way - especially for private local gain. This to me is a violation of civil rights - as a motorist, I simply don't see why I should be denied the freedom of a bypass (thereby forcing me through a congested town) just because certain locals want my €€€s - this is simply not fair!!!

thedarkroom

jd wrote: »

Been away, so not been keeping up to date on this. As as I've said before I'm not convinced of the need for a motorway, with 2+2 perhaps what is needed. That been said, I cannot agree that national roads should go through villages (Oylegate/Tagoat/Kilrane), which seems to be the position of those against the scheme, presumably as they feel it will affect shops and petrol stations. I think someone also said this scheme will kill off Wexford Town, and that bypasses destroyed Arklow, Drogheda and some other towns, but no evidence is supplied to back this up. The Rosslare section of the route was agreed without much opposition years ago.

It's hardly likely that this scheme will kill off Wexford town as any traffic going to Roslare is already bypassing it anyway using the road through Enniscorthy. Major roadways should not be routed through towns and villages as it creates a physical division which fractures communities. Look at what the N11 does to Kilmacanogue!
Arklow actually thrived for a while after the bypass was opened but it's downfall was the opening of the new shopping centre on the quays as it took all the shoppers away from the town centre and away from the existing shops. Arklow's Main Street is now an access route to the new shopping centre. Arklow died because of bad planning and interference by the councillors, not because of the bypass. Gorey, similarly, benefitted when the bypass was built but suffered when the new shopping centre was built.

Jayuu

I think everybody knows there is no substance to the "bypasses destroy businesses" argument. I've never seen one report which backs this argument up. Most towns are pretty happy to get rid of vast amounts of traffic, especially large vehicles and I would imagine that this route has a significant amount of those heading to and from Rosslare. Also in this particular case realistically most traffic using this road will either be Rosslare bound and are unlikely to stop that close to Rosslare, or have just come from Rosslare and are again unlikely to stop so soon after starting their journey so again I think this undermines the "loss of business argument". Wexford is already bypaseed at this stage so the upgrade is going to make very little difference in that case.

I can appreciate that any road building exercise will always cause upheaval and there will always be somebody who loses out in these cases and here I suppose the people who are on the selected route will end up in somewhat of a limbo, which is unfortunate. However if route selection is completed then more people will be freed up from the process and able to get on with their lives.

(BTW, as it turns out I think I know the man who is chair of the local anti-road group, but don't hold that against me)

jd

Interesting report from The Echo. Peter Sweetman made the trip from Rossport, and local Councillor Padge Reck is as combative as ever though he's not standing for election again.

http://www.enniscorthyecho.ie/news/eyausneycw/

Councillors lambasted at motorway meeting

AS FAR as perfectly-timed pantomime ripostes go, it was up there with “he’s behind you”.

When Labour councillor George Lawlor told a public meeting that it was impossible to stop the Oylegate to Rosslare motorway, a member of the crowd was quick to disagree.

“[Oh no] it’s not impossible to stop motorways. I’ve stopped three,” said a modest Peter Sweetman, whose antipathy to motorways can be traced back to the NRA routing a bypass through his back garden in Kill many moons ago.

..
While Mr Sweetman decried various motorway projects as rackets that “keep foreign consultants in business” there was nobody in attendance to defend the scheme because the county manager, the NRA liaison officer, the county council chairman and local TDs were unavailable.

Instead, six county councillors, four of whom huddled together at the top of the packed function room in the Riverbank Hotel, and one borough councillor, took all of the flack.

..


While the ill-concealed contempt from local people affected by the motorway scheme was hardly surprising, the tirade of abuse from the local priest was.

“These councillors are telling us that this road is essential but that it may not be built for 30 years. There’s a contradiction there.

“They have not thought about the health hazard being caused by this. My own brother was affected when the Gorey bypass went through his land and he was in a half-mental state over it.

..


Never backward at coming forward, Independent councillor Padge Reck decided the crowd needed to hear a few home truths.

“I’ve been a public representative for 33 years and I listen to the people but only four people have contacted me personally about this road,” he said, to a chorus of boos.

“You’re not living in the real world,” shouted Mr Sweetman, a verbal jibe that had the same effect as poking an angry grizzly bear with a big stick.

“You’ve had your opportunity to speak and, as far as I can tell, you’re an expert on everything. I am nobody’s fool and I don’t kow-tow to anyone.

“Now, when the Waterford bypass was announced I was lambasted by about 70 or 80 people who told me I was useless and Waterford was stealing a march on Wexford.

..
Declaring that he didn’t come to the meeting to “have people sniping at me”, Mr Reck said threats that the JCC would stand candidates in the next local elections didn’t bother him.

“Put up your candidates, we’ll all watch and see. Maybe you’ll learn something,” he scoffed.

..
Meanwhile, JCC Chairman Michael Carroll informed the crowd that the main justifications for the scheme, increased traffic projections and the development of Rosslare Europort, were both non runners.

..

He said the port made a profit of €67 million between 1987 and 2009 and said the cost of dredging and underpinning just one berth in the harbour, to allow larger ships use the port, would amount to between €40 and €50 million.

Attempting to assuage concerns, Paul McCormack, whose house near the Heritage Park could be wiped out if the scheme goes ahead, said the road cannot be built as there is no legal basis for it.

“It can only be built in accordance with the law and the law says there must be a need for it and there isn’t.
..

Amtmann

What three motorways did Sweetman stop?

dubhthach

Tremelo wrote: »

What three motorways did Sweetman stop?

Obviously not the one through his backyard in Kill -- I'm assuming the N7 dualler/tri-carriageway

L1011

Tremelo wrote: »

What three motorways did Sweetman stop?

Three in his mind.

He has, at best, delayed a dual carriageway in Galway for long enough that its not going to be built and otherwise just cost the state millions before the roads actually *did* get built.

Surprised to not see our main anti O->R protestor on here's name mentioned.

spacetweek

Sweetman's probably referring to the Slane bypass too. He hasn't stopped it. Since it's shovel-ready, it likely would have started next year if not for the spending freeze.

L1011

He didn't stop it and its not a motorway, despite the grand insistances on here that it'll be made one by people who don't understand what a Type 2 is.

Can't let dreamers get credit.

spacetweek

MYOB wrote: »

He didn't stop it and its not a motorway, despite the grand insistances on here that it'll be made one by people who don't understand what a Type 2 is.

Can't let dreamers get credit.

Oh I know well it wasn't one, but it's common in Ireland for people to call something a motorway even when it's just a few KM's of dual.

Now that I recall, Slane was Salafia actually.

Slane Resident

Neither Sweetman nor Salafia have stopped the Slane Bypass, and the hope is that funding may still be found for it. Shane McEntee certainly doesn't seem to be of the impression that it's a "done deal" that it won't be built, and Varadkar hasn't confirmed that it has been cancelled. They say that the priority for road building now will be safety rather than traffic, and as such Slane has got to be the most needed road in the country.

As for Sweetman, he stated at the ABP hearings that the work done in relation to habitat for the proposed bypass was the best he'd ever seen, so I would certainly not see him taking credit for its cancellation. Salafia only turned up once, gave a very long spiel about how the road broke EU regulations because it was cross-border (it isn't even cross-county) and was never seen again. The main opposition was by John Rogers who didn't want his view ruined from his garden (until a detailed survey showed that the road would be barely visible from his garden once a period of time had elapsed to allow planting grow sufficiently high to hide it).

Irish and Proud

Slane Resident wrote: »

Neither Sweetman nor Salafia have stopped the Slane Bypass, and the hope is that funding may still be found for it. Shane McEntee certainly doesn't seem to be of the impression that it's a "done deal" that it won't be built, and Varadkar hasn't confirmed that it has been cancelled. They say that the priority for road building now will be safety rather than traffic, and as such Slane has got to be the most needed road in the country.

As for Sweetman, he stated at the ABP hearings that the work done in relation to habitat for the proposed bypass was the best he'd ever seen, so I would certainly not see him taking credit for its cancellation. Salafia only turned up once, gave a very long spiel about how the road broke EU regulations because it was cross-border (it isn't even cross-county) and was never seen again. The main opposition was by John Rogers who didn't want his view ruined from his garden (until a detailed survey showed that the road would be barely visible from his garden once a period of time had elapsed to allow planting grow sufficiently high to hide it).

Ok Mods, I know this is OT, but...

I found a perfect answer (though it's now over a year old) to the likes of Sweetman on this webpage of 'Bypass Slane Campaign, Ireland' on Facebook:

Maria

I think there's also a certain element of wishing to keep Slane, and its environs, as a "theme park". The problem is, this isn't Quiet Man country. It's the real world, with real problems, and real dangers, and real people live here and have to deal with those dangers on a daily basis. It's nice to think we should keep the countryside intact and pristine, but the reality is this isn't Disneyland and the locals don't get to clock out at 5.00. This is a 3.5 kilometre stretch of road which will keep Meath residents safe. To me, it's a no-brainer.

Well said!!! :):)

jd

The Route selection report has been released

Route Selection Report, Oilgate to Rosslare
http://www.wexford.ie/wex/Departments/Roads/NationalRoadsLiaisonOffice/OilgateRosslareHarbourProject/RouteSelectionReport/

Main Text
http://www.wexford.ie/wex/Departments/Roads/NationalRoadsLiaisonOffice/OilgateRosslareHarbourProject/RouteSelectionReport/Thefile,18787,en.pdf

Have skimmed through it -kinda busy at the moment

Table 2.2:
Site
No.
Observed 2010 AADT flows
Location Description
2010 Observed
AADT
AADT %HGV
1 N25 southeast of Ashfield Cross Roads 6,640 14%
2 R740 east of Ashfield Cross Roads 3,560 8%
3 N25 north of R739 13,970 11%
4 R730 north of N25 Roundabout at Sinnotstown 11,940 10%
5 Local road between Murntown Lower and R730 at 2,910 6%
Starvehall
6 R733 east of N25 Roundabout at Clonard Great 13,830 7%
7 R733 west of N25 Roundabout at Clonard Great 7,980 7%
8 R769 east of N25 Roundabout at Ballindinas 10,460 8%
9 N25 west of N25 Roundabout at Ballindinas 12,880 13%
10 N25 350m east of Davidstown Cross 10,130 15%
11 R730 east of N11 Ferrycarrig Junction 3,630 6%
12 R741 east of Wexford Harbour Bridge 13,490 8%
13 N11 north of Ferrycarrig Bridge 12,980 14%
14 N11 south of Oilgate in townland of Whitefort 13,160 13%
15 N11 south of Enniscorthy Town near Salville 12,340 13%
16 N30 west of Enniscorthy near Jamestown 7,040 14%
17 R702 west of Milehouse 2,120 9%
18 N11 north of Enniscorthy Town near Moyne Lower 15,520 13%
19 R744 east of Clonhasten Cross Roads 3,250 11%
20 R741 north of Ballymartin Crossroads 5,440 17%
21 R741 south of the R741/R744 junction 4,440 13%
22 R741 immediately south of N11 8,050 9%
23 N25 east of Tagoat 7,180 12%
24 N25 north of Rosemount 14,960 9%

It is noted that there has been a reduction in traffic since 2007 due to
the economic downturn. This is especially apparent on the N11
between Ferrycarrig and Oilgate, where the 2007 traffic volumes
reduced from an AADT of 17,486 (Segment 7 Table 2.1) to 12,980 (Site
Nr 13 Table 2.2). It should also be noted however that in the same
period the traffic on the N25, South of the N25/R730 roundabout
(Rosslare Road Roundabout), has increased from an AADT of 11,643
(Segment 1 Table 2.1) to 14,960 (Site Nr 24 Table 2.2). In any event,
the current traffic on the N11 North of Ferrycarrig and the N25 south of
the Rosslare Road Roundabout have an AADT of in excess of the
recommended desirable minimum Level of Service D (AADT of 11,600)
as per TD9/10 of NRA Design Manual for Roads and Bridges.
It is therefore concluded that based on traffic, an upgrade from a single
carriageway to a Type 1, Type 2, or Type 3 Dual carriageway would
increase the traffic capacity and should aid in achieving a LOS of at
least LOS D on the stretch of the National Primary Roads (N11 & N25)
between Oilgate and Rosslare Harbour. It should be noted that final
carriageway type will be determined by an incremental analysis during
the Design phase (Phase 3 of the NRA Project Management
Guidelines).

dubhthach

Map showing all the route options is in this file:
http://www.wexford.ie/wex/Departments/Roads/NationalRoadsLiaisonOffice/OilgateRosslareHarbourProject/RouteSelectionReport/Thefile,18814,en.pdf

jd

Interesting to see they mention type 3 DC (2+1 road) in some of the analysis . I don't think the NRA plan to build these in the future.

Chris_5339762

Now if THIS was to be done before the N28, my god!

jd

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Now if THIS was to be done before the N28, my god!

Doubt we'll see any work on this this side of 2018. There is still Rathnew-Arklow and Gorey-Oylegate to complete ahead of it...

dubhthach

Looks like Leo has pulled the plug on this.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1101/1224306845607.html

Planned Wexford carriageway shelved
FRANK McDONALD, Environment Editor

THE CONTROVERSIAL dual carriageway planned for south county Wexford, running from Oilgate to Rosslare, has been shelved by Minister for Transport Leo Varadkar.

In a letter to opponents of the route, he said: “Given the budgetary situation, the NRA [National Roads Authority] does not propose to advance this project to the next stage at this time.”

Wexford County Council, which has already paid consultants Mott McDonald €2 million for a route selection report, has yet to be notified officially that the scheme is no longer on the NRA’s agenda.

The Joint Communities Committee, representing people living along the proposed route, said it expected the council would drop the road from the county development plan, now being revised.

A committee spokesman said: “Nothing more will be done on this proposed project for the life of the next county development plan and it is now up to our county councillors to act for the people.”

Michael Carroll told the Wexford Echo newspaper: “We are delighted that the NRA is at last seeing sense in relation to this project”, as the route selection report was “unacceptable”.

It “completely ignores the far cheaper option of upgrading the existing road where necessary” and even made the “farcical and completely unacceptable claim of benefiting traffic congestion in the UK midlands”.

A county council spokesman said the route selection report had been forwarded to the NRA in September, together with a request for approval to provide “appropriate funding” to proceed.

Of the course the guy talking to local newspaper doesn't get it. They aren't going to spend any money upgrading the existing road as there is none.

spacetweek

Since current policy is to shelve everything until our budgetary situation improves, this is non-news.

Also writing a letter to the opponents telling them that they've won is cynical because the real reason is financial; the opponents didn't win anything.

dubhthach

spacetweek wrote: »

Since current policy is to shelve everything until our budgetary situation improves, this is non-news.

Also writing a letter to the opponents telling them that they've won is cynical because the real reason is financial; the opponents didn't win anything.

Indeed I also think it's a bit farcical that Leo told the opponents first before Wexford County Council were informed that it was no longer on the NRA list! Sounds like a bit of political messing if you ask me.

jd

Carroll says the report

even made the “farcical and completely unacceptable claim of benefiting traffic congestion in the UK midlands”.

That's not what is said. It said that traffic from the South and East that use the Rosslare-Wales ferry routes avoid having to use Dublin Port and also avoid congested midland routes in the UK.

Nor does it totally ignore

the option of upgrading the existing road where necessary

Looking at section 6:1 on , do-nothing, do-minimum and management options are considered.

Sponge Bob

The preferred route will probably go to a confirmation vote in the council and will then be inserted in the County Development plan to protect the alignment. However I cannot see any detailed design or EIS underway for a loooooong time.

The Wexford County Manager is on the board of the NRA is he not, I'm sure he knew ages ago. Just wait till they drop the Enniscorthy Bypass or push it back to 2018 or so next week in the capital programme.

And yet Leo will find cash for projects NOT in any national programme such as misc.3 lane widenings in Dublin...mark my words.

jd

http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2012/01/12/00018.asp

Deputy Mick Wallace asked the Minister for Transport; Tourism and Sport if he is concerned that there are a number of serious inaccuracies (details supplied) in the Route Selection Report for the proposed Oilgate to Rosslare Harbour, County Wexford road upgrade project; the action he proposes to correct these inaccuracies in a report which fails to justify the proposed project, which has so far cost the taxpayer in excess of €2 million; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [41465/11]

Deputy Leo Varadkar: This question relates to the route selection report for the Oilgate to Rosslare roads scheme. As Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport, I have responsibility for overall policy and funding of the national roads programme. The planning, design and implementation of individual road projects is a matter for the National Roads Authority under the Roads Acts 1993 to 2007 in conjunction with the local authorities concerned. Therefore, this not a matter in which I have a role. Rather it is a matter for the NRA and I will ask the NRA to write directly to the Deputy in regard to the route selection report. If he does not receive a reply within ten days he should contact my office on the matter.

As I have indicated previously to the Deputy, the Oilgate to Rosslare scheme is one of a range of projects which have reached the route corridor selection phase but cannot proceed to construction for some time given the current difficult economic environment. When the project can be progressed it will be subject to approval by An Bord Pleanála.

Deputy Mick Wallace: I am not much the wiser having heard that reply. As Minister with responsibility for transport, it would great if the Minister had a little more control over the NRA than the previous Minister had. I do not understand the position if it is the case that the legislation does not allow Minister to have more impact in these decisions. Many of the decisions made by the NRA indicate that it seems keen to spend money a good deal of the time but we cannot afford it any more. We have been talking about the impact of severe cuts on people who need our help in this House during the past few months and the notion that roads would be built is a little over the top given the state of our finances. The Minister with responsibility for transport needs to have an impact in this respect and the decision should not be left with the NRA.

We pointed out to the Minister that it is claimed in the report that the project will benefit traffic congestion in the UK midlands - that is off the wall. It is claimed that the existing road is unsafe, which is completely true. It is a good road to travel on. I have travelled on it a good deal, probably as much as anyone. The traffic volumes on it are not bad. The road is fine. Wexford town is already bypassed and it does not need to be bypassed again. We do not need a bypass on the bypass. The traffic volumes that were assessed for the project do not bear up to scrutiny.

Deputy Leo Varadkar: The Minister does have a certain role in this regard in the sense that it is the Minister’s role to set policy, allocate budgets and oversee corporate governance. In this regard, the decision is not to spend additional moneys on this road for the time being because the money is not available to complete the project. Therefore, it does not make sense to spend further millions just to bring it from one stage of planning to the next.

I have changed the policy of the previous Government which was to spend hundreds of millions of euro planning and designing projects without knowing whether it could afford to build them. I am only proceeding with planning and design where we know that we can afford to build the project, and that is not the case at present. However, it is also my policy position that we should not stop planning for the future. Rosslare is a very large port with great potential. It makes sense that at some point in the future, and it may be the distant future, Rosslare should be connected by a high quality road to the motorway network, which is not the case at present. The road is adequate at present for the port that is there. I visited the port in recent months to see for myself. However, if Rosslare Port were to be expanded as a major port on the east coast in the future, it would require a better road connection. That is why it is important to plan for the future in this regard.

The route selection report, to which the Deputy referred, is available on Wexford County Council’s website. I believe the Deputy is mischaracterising it to the extent that what it argues is that Rosslare could be used as a port in the future to access the east coast of Ireland as an alternative to Dublin Port, thus allowing heavy vehicles to avoid the congestion that already exists in the UK midlands, it is not that the road would be built so that people could avoid that. It recognises the fact that there is a good deal of congestion in the UK midlands and it might make sense to develop another port on the east coast of Ireland so that heavy goods vehicles could come that way rather than having to go through the middle of England.

Deputy Mick Wallace: There is potential to develop the existing road to meet the requirements of Rosslare Harbour, if it were developed into a serious port at some point in the future, but in the meantime the notion of freezing the 300 m corridor along it and affecting all the people who have businesses there does not make sense. These people are affected by this decision. For example, a vegetable farmer has lost a grant of €150,000 to build more sheds - his enterprise is labour intensive. Jobs will be lost by freezing the land where that farmer is working. If Rosslare becomes a big port, this corridor may be needed eventually and the Minister has said that this is planning for the future. He might be planning for what will happen in 50 years time but in the meantime he is freezing land on people who are living in the present.

Deputy Leo Varadkar: I am conscious of the planning issue the Deputy raised, “planning blight” as it is described in other jurisdictions. The NRA has issued new guidelines to local authorities in the past few weeks giving them the criteria under which they could allow development to occur in these corridors, as in the case of developments such as agricultural sheds. Development in these route corridors is a decision of the planning authority, not the NRA. I would ask local authorities to take a pragmatic view when it comes to development in route corridors. There is a big difference between potting sheds or greenhouses and building a supermarket. Local authorities need to be pragmatic about that.

It is important to plan for the future. The Harcourt Street train line was closed for 30 or 40 years. I am glad it was not developed because if it had been we would not have had the Luas. The Dunboyne reservation and the reservation out to Navan was retained for the best part of 50 years and it is now coming back into use. One could say the same in regard to Midleton. It makes sense sometimes to maintain corridors.

Deputy Mick Wallace: Something like that is fine but this is a different scenario

Schadenfreudia

"Enniscorthy bypass work to start next September"

independent.ie/regionals

spacetweek

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

"Enniscorthy bypass work to start next September"

independent.ie/regionals

Not this project.

Schadenfreudia

No cigar, eh?

vicwatson

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

"Enniscorthy bypass work to start next September"

independent.ie/regionals

That's correct according to Wexford People, and the €341 million project will be in use by Q3 2018 (apparentely !)

spacetweek

vicwatson wrote: »

That's correct according to Wexford People, and the €341 million project will be in use by Q3 2018 (apparentely !)

As I said, the right thread to talk about the Enniscorthy Bypass is here.

PoolDude

I wonder will Oilgate to Rosslare come back on the radar once the Enniscorthy bypass work commences construction. I believe Brendan Howlin has said there will be continuous bypasses from Larne to Oilgate by 2017 and Joan Bruton has referenced motorway from Belfast to Rosslare again recently, i.e. Euroroute 1.

Interesting to see how this one develops of if it is left on the shelf. I doubt much will be done ahead of the election as it would be a divisive topic for politicians to manage.

Geogregor

PoolDude wrote: »

I wonder will Oilgate to Rosslare come back on the radar once the Enniscorthy bypass work commences construction. I believe Brendan Howlin has said there will be continuous bypasses from Larne to Oilgate by 2017 and Joan Bruton has referenced motorway from Belfast to Rosslare again recently, i.e. Euroroute 1.

Interesting to see how this one develops of if it is left on the shelf. I doubt much will be done ahead of the election as it would be a divisive topic for politicians to manage.

I don't think there is any need for motorway or even dual carriageway there.
What are the traffic levels there? Few thousands AADT? Pretty much only ferry traffic and a few locals.

There are many more important road projects in Ireland.

jd

Geogregor wrote: »

I don't think there is any need for motorway or even dual carriageway there.
What are the traffic levels there? Few thousands AADT? Pretty much only ferry traffic and a few locals.

There are many more important road projects in Ireland.

From the NRA web site


1112

N11 Between Ferrycarrig and Oilgate, Co. Wexford

2015 2014 2013
AADT 11922 12497 12351
% HGV 5.2% 5.2% 5.3%



N25 Southwest of Rosslare Harbour, Kilraine Co. Wexford

2015 2014 2013
AADT 5096 5859 5854
% HGV 9.0% 7.7% 7.2%
Coverage 23.8% 99.7% 83.5%

VR6

PoolDude wrote: »

I wonder will Oilgate to Rosslare come back on the radar once the Enniscorthy bypass work commences construction. I believe Brendan Howlin has said there will be continuous bypasses from Larne to Oilgate by 2017 and Joan Bruton has referenced motorway from Belfast to Rosslare again recently, i.e. Euroroute 1.

Interesting to see how this one develops of if it is left on the shelf. I doubt much will be done ahead of the election as it would be a divisive topic for politicians to manage.

Weasel words once again from the government.

There may well be continuous bypasses from Larne to Oylegate in 2017, but the last of these - the Enniscorthy bypass - will certainly not open for traffic by then. Even if it does start on schedule this summer it will only be 18 months into contract on the 31st of December 2017.
Not credible

Carawaystick

There's no bypass of Kilmacanogue, and none planned.

Schadenfreudia

Carawaystick wrote: »

There's no bypass of Kilmacanogue, and none planned.

I wonder if the cheapest solution there would be to buy up all the properties along the eastern carriageway through Kilmac, demolish them and build a proper (safe) road to the east of the existing median?

spacetweek

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

I wonder if the cheapest solution there would be to buy up all the properties along the eastern carriageway through Kilmac, demolish them and build a proper (safe) road to the east of the existing median?

You know, it probably would.

Carawaystick

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

I wonder if the cheapest solution there would be

What do you think the problem is?
is it peak time traffic?
egress from garages?
bus stops?

Reuben1210

Carawaystick wrote: »

What do you think the problem is?
is it peak time traffic?
egress from garages?
bus stops?

All of the above, and the fact the road was terribly designed there....it was acceptable at the time vis a vis standards. It has now become a huge headache for commuters, and future upgrading. Don't want to moan too much about how the country runs, as there is enough on this...but this was seriously short term thinking/planning

Schadenfreudia

Carawaystick wrote: »

What do you think the problem is?
is it peak time traffic?
egress from garages?
bus stops?

All of the above!

Just noticed Reuben beat me to it!

jd

VR6 wrote: »

Weasel words once again from the government.

Even if it does start on schedule this summer it will only be 18 months into contract on the 31st of December 2017.
Not credible

It's 2015 today - if it started in September 2015 it would be 27 months into contract on December 31st 2017 .

PoolDude

As expected, despite recent contract signings for the Enniscorthy bypass, I have seen little reference in the quotes to this scheme. The question needs to be answered on whether they plan to proceed or how they intend to deal with a Motorway stretch that will now end 1km from a small village which will likely create a new bottleneck.

Logic would imply they either need to extend scope to include Oilgate bypass or commit to the Oilgate Rosslare scheme but the silence is deafening ðŸ˜

Carawaystick

How did Camolin fare?

jd

Carawaystick wrote: »

How did Camolin fare?

Motorway from Coynes Cross to north of Oylegate when the Enniscorthy By-pass is finished

guylikeme

PoolDude wrote: »

As expected, despite recent contract signings for the Enniscorthy bypass, I have seen little reference in the quotes to this scheme. The question needs to be answered on whether they plan to proceed or how they intend to deal with a Motorway stretch that will now end 1km from a small village which will likely create a new bottleneck.

Logic would imply they either need to extend scope to include Oilgate bypass or commit to the Oilgate Rosslare scheme but the silence is deafening ðŸ˜

Is oilgate really that big a bottleneck? Even with the road, a good amount of the enniscorthy bypass traffic will be just crossing the Slaney or going onto new Ross.

Traffic counts are very low that area.

Roryhy

guylikeme wrote: »

Is oilgate really that big a bottleneck? Even with the road, a good amount of the enniscorthy bypass traffic will be just crossing the Slaney or going onto new Ross.

Traffic counts are very low that area.

That's what I was thinking, never recall seeing a tailback in Oilgate!

Carawaystick

That was kind of my point re Camolin, which is a bigger village than Oilgate and is the existing first place after the motorway ends.

PoolDude

Fair Point - Camolin is definitely worse than it was but isn't bad in fairness.

Hopefully the same will true of Oilgate. My perspective would be that Oilgate to Rosslare may not have the volumes to warrant development and if so, rather than fudge the issue for political reasons or shortsightedness, why not bring the Enniscorthy bypass to the Wexford side of Oilgate and leave it at that. I know at this point its too late but this should have been addressed at the design and route selection phase.

L1011

The hope would probably be for EU funded for Oilgate-Rosslare now. The route selection and design was done where there was money and an intent to do O-R shortly after so there is no reason they would have considered it.