Van Nistelrooy charged with serious foul play

Lex Luthor

super_furry wrote:

They should also charge Riley for impersonating a referee.

This guy should be made ref in the lower leagues...never seen a worse ref. He gave a pen when it shouldn't have been one and didn't when it should. What was his linesman doing?
Ashley Cole didn't deserve the tackle he got but this guy is no angel. He's dished out his fair amount of bad tackles in his day

egan007

Anyone get a clip of this? - did not see the game

egan007

PHB wrote:

, tar Henry(who tried to kick Heinze(I think) in the face blatently, but he missed it cause hes ****)

Rose tinted glasses exist, but so do anti rose.

ANyway, 2-0

Even the most hardened anti- arsenal fan in the wold would not say that Henry is sh1t. I'm not an arsenal fan - but Heney is the best striker in the world.
Anybody who loves good footabll and has a brain knows this.

Rose tinted glasses exist, but so do anti rose.

:rolleyes:

dirkey_wynne

United fan. Ruud should be banned. It was an appalling challenge. I really don't know how anyone can say he didn't go for Cole - Ruud is a great player and there is no way he would have missed the ball by that much had he been going for it. I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting him back for his treatment last year. I don't think he can be defended.

As for the Bergkamp incident, I was watching the full game and can't remember this, so I really don't think it was that big a deal. I'd like to see it again - perhaps I somehow managed to miss it, but surely Sky would have highlighted this had it been as bad as some on here are saying, in teh same way they highlighted Ruudy's challenge (assault??!!).

As for the Dein being FA member, I wouldn't be surprised if this had a bearing on Bergy not being punished (should the challenge be as bad as ppl are saying, once again I can't comment) as we've seen this before - Shearer on Lennon anyone?? It's not about what you do/what you know...

Mighty_Mouse

Can I start by saying I'm not a fan of either team.

I watched the match and thought Riley made a good job of things. The penalty he gave was a correct decision in my opinion. Rooney sent Cambell the wrong way and Cambell panicked. Fair enough he didn't exactly chop him down but it was still a penalty IMO.

The only really decision he missed was not giving Ronaldo a penalty IMO.

Also Ferdinand didn't bring Jungberg down. It was two players meeting. Soccer is still a physical game last I checked. And finally at the most RVN deserved a yellow card for careless tackle.

I think people are getting carried away here. TBH i've lost a lot of respect for Arsenal with their indignity in losing. They played for a draw against a team they should of beaten 2-0 and it backfired. Its the same lack of balls they have in Europe.

And finally on the Thierry Henry debate. He's a brilliant player but has yet to do it on the big occasion. For that reason alone he stands at the lower end of truly "world class". And at the moment if I was given a choice of who I would want in my team for a world cup final, champions league final etc ......I would take RVN.

jank

LOL this thread is so funny

First utd fansblab on about arsenal being sore losers then there here crying over a bad tackle that ruud should have been shown red for (and right next to the linesman too)

No i didnt see the bergkamp incident so I cant comment on that

Did anybody see the slight smerk on his face after the tackle. That wont help his cause.

All I have to say is fúck the FA and fúck David Dean.

Porn you seem to have an obsession with david dein and the FA
It has been well documented that he has no involvement in the disciplinary procedures in the FA.

On the rooney dive, well i wonder will he get the same treatment as pires got last year after his dive against portsmouth. I really doubt as he is the new "golden boy" of english soccer.

Villain

Mighty_Mouse wrote:

Also Ferdinand didn't bring Jungberg down. It was two players meeting. Soccer is still a physical game last I checked. And finally at the most RVN deserved a yellow card for careless tackle.

LOL Stick to the GAA Mighty Mouse, Rio knew exactly what he was doing he made no attempt to play the ball, he took Freddie down. Now you can try and argue that he had lost control of the ball, but he had some chance of getting not like Phil Neville who kicked it out of play on the side line then went down and got a free.

As for saying RVN only deserved a Yellow card, lol, read the rules of the game.

uberwolf

didn't see the tackle and I don't support either of the teams involved, but here's my view.

RVN is a cynical player, particularly when the game isn't going well for him personally. I have thought so for some time and don't like the attitude. Bergkamp is similar in that respect but doesn't seem as malicious. Case in point are the the two clashes described. RVN could have put Cole out for some time with his tackle. Smith would have been hurt and that isn't right but his livlihood wouldn't have been effected, RVN has had a long term injury before, he shouldn't be seeking to inflict them on other players, and I'm delighted he's been picked up on it.

As for the penalty you've got to be kidding me if you think it wasn't a dive. That seems to be part of the game now and I hate it, but its not as bad as a injury threatening tackle with no 'sporting' benefit i.e stopping a player getting through on goal, which whilst unpleasant is at least explicable.

Ban RVN, if they have bergkamp on video get him to, but RVN was the worse of the two because of the potential for injury.

Big Ears

Mighty Mouse , when I first watched the replays on Sky for the penalty I thought there was minimal contact and there shouldn't have been a penalty , when I watched highlights on the BBC with some very interesting camera angles Campbell didn't come close to touching him at all , how can you give a penalty if Campbell hasn't touched Rooney ?

Ronaldo should have had a penalty .

Ferdinand should have seen red .

Ruud should have seen red .

oh and what team do you support ?

smemon

he did nothing wrong.

ashley cole is no saint himself, famous for diving and cheating himself. deserves what he got and it was worth it. justice is done. utd dont need ruud at the minute anyway, his game is poor and smith or saha would be much better in there.

a ban would be a blessing in disguise tbh, (a good deed never goes unpunished!) i was calling for ruud to be dropped before the match and he did nothing impress me on sunday apart from the roy keane edge and scoring the peno.

strikers aren't exactly scarce around old trafford these days.

mr_angry

smemon wrote:

he did nothing wrong.

ashley cole is no saint himself, famous for diving and cheating himself. deserves what he got and it was worth it. justice is done. utd dont need ruud at the minute anyway, his game is poor and smith or saha would be much better in there.

a ban would be a blessing in disguise tbh, (a good deed never goes unpunished!) i was calling for ruud to be dropped before the match and he did nothing impress me on sunday apart from the roy keane edge and scoring the peno.

strikers aren't exactly scarce around old trafford these days.

Right so, smemon. Next time Van Horsetelrooy gets lifted out of it by someone with a grudge, I'll be sure to remind you of your own opinions on "justice".

Perhaps in the voice of Louis Armstrong [sic].

TwoShedsJackson

smemon wrote:

he did nothing wrong.

ashley cole is no saint himself, famous for diving and cheating himself. deserves what he got and it was worth it. justice is done. utd dont need ruud at the minute anyway, his game is poor and smith or saha would be much better in there.

Yeah because there running in so many goals against Birmingham etc. :rolleyes: Good to see you think one bad turn deserves another - you're an unpleasant cretin.

sharkman

TwoShedsJackson wrote:

Good to see you think one bad turn deserves another - you're an unpleasant cretin.

I have to Agree !!


Great reading in this thread !

talla

As a United fan I think he should be banned as he was caught. However those types of tackles go on in every match week in and week put. So the rule should be applied accross all matches, not just the big games. Also Smemon, watch the "deserves what he got" comments. I won't stand for any trolling crap like that.

Actually on second thoughts, I've had enough of your Trolling in this forum Smemon, some time on the sidelines might make you kop on but I doubt it. Banned for a week.

TwoShedsJackson

Actually on second thoughts, I've had enough of your Trolling in this forum Smemon, some time on the sidelines might make you kop on but I doubt it. Banned for a week.

Rockin' good news!!

laoisfan

being a liverpool fan, i thought it man. utd. had 12 players (including the ref) against arsenal's 11.

rio should have walked.
ruud is nothing but a chear, always was and always will be.
rooney, well what do you say about a gobsh**e like that, great footballing talent but no brains whatsoever. and he is learning his trade well from a cheat like ruud.

berkamp should be disciplined over his elbow, so too should edu.

all in all................

ok - arsenal's run is over. it was good while it lasted.

will it impact who wins this season's premiership ? no - arsenal are still the favourates. utd. relied on riley the other night. chelsea are not that good and neither too are liverpool

--laoisfan

laoisfan

apoligies if my spelling is crap, but you get the idea.
i am dying with a cold at the moment so please forgive me.....


--laoisfan

eirebhoy

laoisfan wrote:

ruud is nothing but a cheater, always was and always will be.

In what way? Whether he is or not, I very much doubt "he always will be". He cut out his diving fairly quick. This is the first time I've seen him tackle like he did.

The Rooster

You have to laugh when you see people defend what vanNistelrooy did to Cole

It was an outrageuos stamp on an opponent's knee that could have caused serious injury. It deserved a straight red card and deserves a 3 match ban. And seeing as United love the persecution feeling it should be David Dein himself who announces the suspension, and at the same time acquitting Bergkamp of any wrong doing

Like many others it seems, I also missed the Bergkamp incident so cant comment directly. But there is no doubt he is a dirtburd. Regularly giving cowardly elbows and stamps, yet would never go into a 50/50 challenge. RvN may be going down the same route.

If suspended, United wouldnt miss RvN one iota. He is in terrible form, and a rest would do him and the team good.

Also funny how Rooney, Owen and Beckham are allowed to dive willynilly, but dirtyFrenchCheats arent!!

Pity Mike Riley got castrated in his youth. Because if he had any balls he would have sent off Cole, GNeville, Ferdinand, Edu, Van Nistlerooy and Bergkamp, and both teams would have been fined and had points deducted Or maybe if he'd booked Cole in the first minute for the challenge from behind on Ronaldo, we might have seen a game of football....

SteM

Rooster, all this talk of players being sent off is getting ridiculous. You listed 6 players that should have gone! I've seen much dirtier games than that match and if you're telling me all 6 of those players deserved to be sent off then I'm really shocked.

Football is a CONTACT sport.

BTW, I'm not saying this to condem or condone RVNs tackle, just pointing out that I think people are going way over the top with this whole debate.

LegacyUser

In all fairness, you are all making a big deal out of nothing. All 11 players should have stayed on the pitch for either team. And they did. Rightly so.

The Rooster

Football is most certainly a contact sport.

But stamping on somebody's knee and elbowing are straight red card offences.

So is fouling someone to prevent a goalscoring opportunity.

Fouling from behind is a yellow card, and Neville and Cole both did 2 before being booked.

Of course if Riley was a stronger ref, less fouls would have been committed.

SteM

The Rooster wrote:

Football is most certainly a contact sport.

But stamping on somebody's knee and elbowing are straight red card offences.

So is fouling someone to prevent a goalscoring opportunity.

Fouling from behind is a yellow card, and Neville and Cole both did 2 before being booked.

Of course if Riley was a stronger ref, less fouls would have been committed.

I agreed entirely with your point about stamping, elbowing etc. But if players were pulled up for every offence on a football pitch there'd be no one left after 90 minutes. How many times have you watched a game, see someone sent off and though the ref should have used some discretion?

It's easy for us to say the ref was poor, he missed things, should have booked players etc but it's much more difficult out there I'm sure. If he had have sent off the 6 that you mentioned in your post then there would have ben uproar the following day about a referee who ruined the game, wanted to be in the spotlight etc.

The Rooster

Absolutely Ste, and to be fair I was being a bit flippant in my initial post.

I suppose my point is, in this match, given the recent history, the ref needed to be strong to stamp out all the rubbish. And it would have been nice to see 6 sent off and points deductions for both teams

Draupnir

But can ya imagine the state of the match then, it would be like American Football with all the stoppages. I think Riley did as well as could be expected.

The tackle on Cole was very hard to spot in real time, at least it was to me and my mates in the pub, as Cole was moving VERY fast, so you couldnt really see it, when we did we all agreed it was nasty and cant really be defended except to say that RvN says he didnt mean it so thats all we have to go on and its fairly believable if anyone has played football at a higher level than Sunday park football, which I have, so I can understand (slightly) how the speed of the game may have been a factor but yes it still looks very bad. As much as I dont like the guy, Ashley Cole is a good player so I was glad he got up.

The Ferdinand Ljungberg thing is a non issue for me, happens all the time, was never a sending off anyway.

Campbell stuck his leg out, Rooney jumped over it. Its the way it works. Pires does it, Henry does it, RvN does it, Maradona did it all the time, even bloody Pele did it now and again if he could (more to save himself I guess!) so its to be expected. Only thing I can say is that these things even themselves out, a la the Ronaldo stonewall peno incident with Cole later.

All this talk of cheats etc. is ridiculous. Its just a case of one sides fans arguing aimlessly with the others.

We dont moan about Damien Duffs dive against Spain in the World Cup do we? Nope cos it suits us to watch Ian Harte miss penos. But thats another story. I think its time United -v- Arsenal was put to bed until later in the season as now its just a roundabout and nobody will get off till they get banned or the last word.

Wow, defo my longest post ever!

cournioni

Big Ears wrote:

Mighty Mouse , when I first watched the replays on Sky for the penalty I thought there was minimal contact and there shouldn't have been a penalty , when I watched highlights on the BBC with some very interesting camera angles Campbell didn't come close to touching him at all , how can you give a penalty if Campbell hasn't touched Rooney ?

Ronaldo should have had a penalty .

Ferdinand should have seen red .

Ruud should have seen red .

oh and what team do you support ?

Maybe you're forgetting that Edu and Bergkamp should have seen red for their challenges. Also Vieira should have been sent off for persistant fouling.

Mighty_Mouse

LOL Stick to the GAA Mighty Mouse, Rio knew exactly what he was doing he made no attempt to play the ball, he took Freddie down

and you know for definite?

oh and what team do you support ?

Loads of teams, club and county GAA, Irish Soccer team, local town soccer team, probably the Boston Red Sox in the coming weeks...........why do you ask? Are you admitting that your own opinion is biased by who you support?


I agree with Draupnir

cournioni

Oh yes and Thierry Frogface attempting to kick Heinze in the head. He should have seen red also. And Cole should have seen a second yellow when he took down Ronaldo for the penalty claim, which he didn't get.

Arsenal are no saints either. So ABU's stop fooling yourselfs.

Big Ears

Ruud Van Nistelrooy pleads guilty to FA cahrge of serious foul play : SSN .

and Pornapster I saw neither the Edu nor Bergkamp incident (although I think the commentaters mentioned the Bergkamp one , and didn't seem to get too excited) so I can't realy comment on them but if what they did warrented a red card then they should have been sent off .

cournioni

Thats fair enough. The Edu challenge was a dangerous, late, knee high studs up tackle on Scholes that pulled down his sock fully it was so high. I don't think the referee done anything other than give a free for it.

jank

Campbell stuck his leg out, Rooney jumped over it. Its the way it works. Pires does it, Henry does it, RvN does it, Maradona did it all the time, even bloody Pele did it now and again if he could (more to save himself I guess!) so its to be expected. Only thing I can say is that these things even themselves out, a la the Ronaldo stonewall peno incident with Cole later.

Thing is that the game was heading for a draw, even fergie admitted to that as he was just started to think about making a sub.

The peno was a critical factor and the ronaldo/cole incidnet would never have happened.

I hate diving, i hate it when arsenal do it and i hate it when other teams do it. But what makes it worse is that when forgein players do it the are vilified in the press for weeks (anybody remember the alapy incident ok not a dive but jesus he had to leave his club over a finger poke!!)

This is especially true for arsenal where there are many french players, while golden boys like rooney,owen,beckham these things just get brushed under the carpet.

Now if it were the other end and it was pires there would have been all out war but the press today are more concerned with pea soup rather then the peno incident.

Thierry Frogface

Enough of the name calling Porn.

Big Ears

Mighty_Mouse wrote:

why do you ask? Are you admitting that your own opinion is biased by who you support?

I was just interested , oh and yes I am biased , I wanted those Arsenal Cnuts to lose so my precious Newcastle could have a better chance at winning the title :rolleyes: ....

nah im just a toon fan .

cournioni

jank wrote:

The peno was a critical factor and the ronaldo/cole incidnet would never have happened.


Enough of the name calling Porn.

There is no way that you can say what might have happened if the penalty wasn't given. It was, so I think people should just get on with it.

I'll stop as long as I don't see petty name calling from Arsenal fans towards van Nistelrooy.

uberwolf

PORNAPSTER wrote:

I'll stop as long as I don't see petty name calling from Arsenal fans towards van Nistelrooy.

big diff between slagging RVN(and other players) and posters. This board has gone downhill once before.

talla

I'm starting to get very pissed off with this thread. It has already resulted in 4 people being banned for a week. Lads grow up for God's sake!

BKtje

big diff between slagging RVN(and other players) and posters.

But he was slagging a player

jank

Anyway ruud has admitted his guilt and we shall see on thursday what the outcome is. I think the intent was there and Porn he was facing Cole alright just look at the photo.

http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2004490913,00.jpg

Thats my last word on this thread.

The Muppet

jank wrote:

Anyway ruud has admitted his guilt and we shall see on thursday what the outcome is. read.

Cushty that'll be another insufficent evidence verdict so from those fair men at The F.A.

jank

This for The Muppet.
The FA are damned if they do or damned if they dont, we all know that.

The Muppet

jank wrote:

This for The Muppet.
The FA are damned if they do or damned if they dont, we all know that.

HA HA Knew you'd have to reply.


Having seen the incident in slow motion a number of times yesterday my initial opinion on the tackle has changed. Ruud willl rightly be found guilty and get his three match ban. It was a worse tackle than it appeared when watching the match live. His foot was very high and he could have seriously hurt Cole so he deserves his punishment IMHO.

cournioni

B-K-DzR wrote:

But he was slagging a player

Indeed.

Muppet... Do you think that Edu or Bergkamp deserve punishment for their challenges/attacks?

cournioni

jank wrote:

Anyway ruud has admitted his guilt and we shall see on thursday what the outcome is. I think the intent was there and Porn he was facing Cole alright just look at the photo.

http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2004490913,00.jpg

Thats my last word on this thread.

Who said it was his standing leg?

The Muppet

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Indeed.

Muppet... Do you think that Edu or Bergkamp deserve punishment for their challenges/attacks?

Yes pornapster particuarly Bergkamp who struck Smith off the ball. I,m not sure about Edu as it's difficult to judge intention in the heat of the moment. Cole kicked Ronaldo in the back of the legs too on one occasion but if we're going to analyze and disect every incident in every game they may as well just shut up shop. The EPL has always been the most physical league in the world IMO thats what makes it the best and if they take that away they will ruin it.

Ruuds tackle looked OK to me during the match but as I said looking at it in slow motion I do think he was high intentionally . Possibly he though Cole was going to clatter him and was getting the first blow in or possibly it was a little bit of revenge for last season but for whatever reason I do honestly think Ruud went in hgh and deserves his punishment.

Jivin Turkey

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Who said it was his standing leg?

I did. And his leg looks pretty upright to me (not to mention the more upright of his two). Who said that Ruud wasnt even looking at Cole, and that there was no intent, despite Ruuds admission of the charge? Oh yeah

So please, stop with your defense of him. And while your at it, get a link to this "Bergkamp elbow" up. You are the only person here who is championing it. Despite, I would say 90% of people here having watching the game and having no recollection of it, because I dont believe a word that comes out of your mouth when it comes to Arsenal or Man United.

The Muppet

Because Ruud has pleaded Guilty his 3 match ban has immediate effect so he miisses Tonighs carling cup game against Crew and Premiership matches to Portsmouth and Man City. I,m not at all dissapointed with that as I think Smith or Saha would be more suited to those games ,

Now that Ruud has pleaded guilty to his charges will Wenger and the soup throwers follow suit?



Jiving Turkey

Bergkamp did strike Smith. Skys cameras didn't catch it as it was off the ball but the commentators did comment on it.

Villain

At least RVN was man enough to admit it serious foul play, I'd imagine he will suffer the same punishment as savage did for his elbow against Chelsea, i.e 3 match ban.

Oh and Mighty Mouse I have played the game for 15 years and most of them at Center Back, so believe me Rio knew exactly what he was doing, I'm not an ABU person either, I'm a soccer fan who likes to see the players decide a match and not bad refereeing.

SteM

irish1 wrote:

At least RVN was man enough to admit it serious foul play, I'd imagine he will suffer the same punishment as savage did for his elbow against Chelsea, i.e 3 match ban.

How does this work? If he pleads guilty now does that mean his ban starts tonight for the Crewe game or next Saturday the the Pompey game?

If tonight then some people would say this is a cynical move by RVN to miss a match that he was never going to start.

sharkman

SteM wrote:

How does this work? If he pleads guilty now does that mean his ban starts tonight for the Crewe game or next Saturday the the Pompey game?

If tonight then some people would say this is a cynical move by RVN to miss a match that he was never going to start.

yep as far as I understand the 3 match ban comes in tomorrow . So he misses Saturday's trip to Portsmouth, which is followed by the Old Trafford encounter with neighbours City on November 7.

The third match of the suspension will either be a Carling Cup fourth round tie or, if United fail to beat Crewe at Gresty Road this evening, the high-profile trip to Newcastle on November 14.

thejollyrodger

Van nistroly admitted he was guilty. I knew he was. That part of his game has been there for a long time, Euro finals, Champions league, Premiership etc and thankfully he has been pullled up for it.

Just looking where his eyes are looking and where the ball is. He is following his foot which is over Cole's knee and the ball is right bit away from that.

I reckon he will be doing well to get off with a 3 match ban. He is supposed to be in his prime at that age but I dont rate him as a top striker any more. Especially when you see the likes of that.

In general when you see a team getting physical on the other side and putting in dodgy tackles like that, it just highlights that the team (Man Utd) isnt up to the same standard and have to make up for it in other ways.

/rant

A Dub in Glasgo

According to the BBC, his ban is immediate so is ruled out of tonights clash with Crewe. It would be funny if that was the case